It sounds like the order is roughly:
ASM 3 (Possibly last film for Webb and Garfield)
Venom / Sinister Six
ASM 4
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It sounds like the order is roughly:
ASM 3 (Possibly last film for Webb and Garfield)
Venom / Sinister Six
ASM 4
I'd have to think it's the third ASM that will be up first, as Drew Goddard is about to be busy with the first season of Daredevil for Marvel and Netflix.
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ASM got this series off on the wrong foot. Should've never gone through the monotony of doing the whole origin story all over again.
So, now that Spider-man is out of the summer race, what is going to take the Summer Domestic Crown? It's sort of a weak year, so I guess I will go with Transformers 4. I suppose that a large enough boost could get How To Train Your Dragon 2 there, but it will depend on reception. I don't see Days of Future Past doubling the gross of First Class/Wolverine. Godzilla and Guardians would be extreme long Shots. Nothing else is in the running.
Hard to see anything beating Transformers overseas as well.
Hard to see anything beating Transformers overseas as well.
Sony has to be panicking at the thought of what a Sinister Six movie would do at the box office. You're already starting out with a film with anti-heroes at best, then add no public name recognition and a flagging franchise, and it doesn't paint a pretty picture unless they seriously reign in the costs.
I agree with your logic wholeheartedly. It's crazy that Cap 2 stands to be a higher earner than some of the blockbusters this year, too.
Honestly that cross promotion they did with the Walking Dead did more harm than good. It was just Greg Nicotero talking about how audiences are smart and like practical effects right after talking about all the CGI in Amazing Spider-Man 2.
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Man of Steel 2 will gross more than cap 3. But amazing Spider-Man 3 won't.
Spider-Man is still one of the biggest characters but he's struggling with tepid reactions to the film
Spider-Man is still one of the biggest characters but he's struggling with tepid reactions to the film
Isn't that talk more about how practical and CG can co-exist? The ASM films do have their fair share of practical stuntwork, and there's a lot of damn CG on The Walking Dead, and not particularly good CG, at that.
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It seems like they are turning Man of Steel 2 into Justice League 0, now that half of DC's character library has a confirmed cameo. I think most people will be interested to see how it stacks up against the Avengers movies rather than all of the solo hero flicks.
With both Superman and Batman, along with cameos/roles for Wonder Woman, Cyborg, etc, people are going to claim that the movie is a disappointment if it fails to hit $400M DOM/$1B WW. If it was just Superman by himself, those results would be amazing.
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The argument on the first page concerning the legs of ASM2 is kind of hilarious now. I don't think anyone thought Neighbors would beat it week 2
I still haven't seen the first ASM and Spider-man was my favorite superhero growing up. The tone just seems feels off. I wasn't really into Raimi's series either, but I still had the desire to see them in theaters.
I still haven't seen the first ASM and Spider-man was my favorite superhero growing up. The tone just seems feels off. I wasn't really into Raimi's series either, but I still had the desire to see them in theaters.
That argument was largely just Manmademan being overly optimistic I think. What superhero sequels have had legs since the mid 2000s? We talk about better than expected legs for Cap 2 because it will manage to break 2.5x its opening weekend. In reality, that's still frontloaded. Go look at BOM's list of top grossing superhero films, and try to pick out the ones that made more than 40% of their gross after their second weekend.
Heaven is for Real, God's Not Dead, and Son of God are the 5th, 6th, and 7th highest grossing Christian films since 1980 on BOM's list. Thee of the top 4 above them are Narnia movies, which I wouldn't count. #1 is obviously Passion of the Christ.
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yeah. I get that fans want their film to do well, but the rationalizations were pretty silly. Plus, I think Godzilla is going to do very well. Not big time superhero money, but definitely better than GINO, Cloverfield or Pacific Rim
Didn't they cancel MoS 2 for BvS/JL?
Ok, I can see what you're saying now.
I still think it's silly to think a reboot would gross $1 billion, but it is Sony, sooooo..
Reboots generally do better. Superman reboot did better than its predecessor, Batman reboot did better than its predecessor, Star Trek reboot did better than its predecessor.
I feel like SM4 would've grossed more than TASM.
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Whats the point of a Sinister Six movie? Assume it needs Spiderman in it so wouldn't it just be ASM3? The Sinister Six was never anything special, they would for for a handful of issues, get their ass beat and disband. Years later, a new team forms, gets ass beat, disbands, repeate every few years, but never was it a major storyline or a team that held and importance in narrative. What is a Sinister Six movie going to be even be about other than them fighting Spiderman?
Some sort of anti-hero film without Spider-Man. It's Sony's way of having a "major" team-up film like The Avengers with the property they have. If I was Sony, I'd do that with the next film. Show them coming together in the wake of Spider-Man in the city. They fight, squabble and ultimately decide to come together and set that up for ASM3.
Reboots tend to only happen when the previous take on the franchise resulted in killing any interest in a future installment. Die Another Day, Batman and Robin, Stark Trek Nemesis and Superman Returns were all poorly received. And aside from Die Another Day, they failed at the box office, resulting in a new change of direction, which people responded to.
Spider-Man 3, as much as people like to give it grief on here, was neither received poorly by critics or audiences. It holds a decent RT score and made a lot of money at the box office. The only reason Sony rebooted is because Raimi couldn't work with the suits and decided to walk.
Spiderman 3 set the opening weekend record and then proceeded to drop off a cliff at an unprecedented rate. And unlike Twilight or other series notable for drop-offs like this, both SM1 and 2 had good legs while ultimately grossing more than 3 did.
There is no real explanation for SM3's performance domestically other than bad WoM.
After SM3 and Raimi's scuffle, you'd think Sony learned something by now not to rush things too much.
Everybody wants their MCU now. I just can't imagine it working at all for Sony, since having just Spider-Man limits the scope that they can work with. Even if they introduce the organized crime element with Kingpin, Marvel can use him too, and quite honestly, he's a much stronger fit for Daredevil.
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Adjusted for inflation, Batman and Robin did not do better than Batman Begins. Neither did Superman Returns vs Man of Steel.
Maybe he thought you were comparing Batman 89 and the original Superman to the reboots.
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You have to take into account the last entry in the series vs the first in the new one, I think. In both cases the previous series' had run their course and were trending downward with no real opportunity change that. Hence the need for a reboot.
I agree. I was just trying to make sense of SYNW's statement. If you use the BOM inflation calculator, then Star Trek 2009 is indeed the only film of those three reboots that grossed more than the original.
Yeah, I can see that, but the whole conversation was about whether Sony thought it would be doing better than Spider-Man 3.
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True, I just think that if you look at those series' there was nothing to build off of after Batman and Robin, Superman Returns and the last Star Trek movie. You had to reboot. To turn the talk back to Spiderman, I think because of how recently Spiderman 3 was, there is probably a lot more to the argument that a reboot wasn't necessary but if Maguire and Raime were walking anyway it would have been difficult to continue.
They could have just treated it like James Bond, continue with a new cast/tone but avoid making it an actual reboot.
The point is that Sony wants a Spider-man film out every year, and they can't rush out actual Spider-man films out that fast.
The fact that they're going to kill the franchise fast with fatigue hasn't seemed to occur to them.
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