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I have a NintendoDS and I must say that the main reason for having it before PSP is the price. When you compare the two consoles both have great games and I believe that one can be a completament of the other.

Imagine now a world with a DS with the price of PSP and a PSP with the price of DS. I believe that in this situation PSP will win.

If the DS was the same price as the PSP, it'd have equal or better graphics and larger LCD screens.

If the PSP was $130, Sony would have to cut back the size of the LCD and scale down the graphics.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Why do people still feel the need to defend the DS? The game library already proves the DS worthwhile

Articles like this will always come up because yeah, the PSP has a more sleek, sexy to the consumer appearance. The PSP was designed to turn heads, and it does..at a high price. The DS IS clunky lookin and IS underpowered...that shit AIN'T sexy. The point of the DS was to be more price friendly and less fragile, and it is...at the price of horsepower and appearance. Whatever. Both systems have good games, and it's easy to argue that the DS has the superior lineup overall.

I'd say the article is pretty spot on (besides the Gran Turismo 4 mention) sans this comment:

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but Nintendo loyalists willing to tolerate the slightly pixilated graphics and traditionally linear game formats might actually enjoy themselves
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What the hell does that mean.

no GTA on DS?

no idea, but that article is awesomely funny!

 

[rod]

psp rocks. ds rocks. jesus both are awesome for different reasons just psp isnt awesome cos of madden 06

 

[Kai Dracon]

If the DS was the same price as the PSP, it'd have equal or better graphics and larger LCD screens.

If the PSP was $130, Sony would have to cut back the size of the LCD and scale down the graphics.

Aside from the price/performance tradeoff issue, the unique features of the DS are, by this point, making a very visible difference. No, they do not make the DS superior to the PSP just 'cause. But, they're to me the real reason why the DS is so viable and can exist harmoniously with the PSP. Graphics aside, the DS can do things the PSP physically cannot, and the good games use this for all it's worth.

The PSP can also, in the long run, do things the DS can't do reasonably. For example, full blown 3D GTA would be abysmal on the DS.

So people who do like to say "DS rules 'cause it's unique" must realize PSP also has things unique to it the DS can't touch in the area of pure game content as well. In the end they are surprisingly different platforms when one stands back to take the long view, graphics comparisons aside. Thanks to their differences, co-existence is exceptionally viable, IMHO.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

I mean, if it's really about the games, and not the technology...then it shouldn't be about the PRICE either, right? I wonder how many DS fans would pick it over the PSP if they were at identical price points.

I can afford a PSP, but I don't want a PSP so -1 I guess.

my reason is ever since PSP fucked me on a PS2 DRE machine and a mini disc (UGH sonicstage blow me) I won't buy their hardware anymore. That and i already have an ipod + DS library boots PSPs (IMO).

 

[Scrow]

Y'know, I'm starting to think that ALL DS-vs-PSP threads really boil down to, "I can't afford a PSP, sour grapes, didn't really want them after all, etc."

I mean, if it's really about the games, and not the technology...then it shouldn't be about the PRICE either, right? I wonder how many DS fans would pick it over the PSP if they were at identical price points.

I don't know that it's just all about games for me. Sure they're important, but like any purchase there's more than one factor that goes into making a decision when to buy something.

I can afford a PSP, but I can't justify a purchase given the games out for it at the moment (GTA and maybe Lumines aside). for me the price is just another reason not to get a PSP. the games on it is another reason. it's size is another reason.

DS has games i want, is more affordable, but its case design sucks (feels cheap, is too bulky and the button layout sucks ass). 2 out of 3 is better than 0 though. i was going to wait for the DS redesign before picking one up, but Mario Kart online and the MK+DS bundle was too good to pass up. PSP hasn't offered me a deal maker yet, and its price in Australia certainly doesn't help.

 

[Dilbert]

Again, to paraphrase the kinds of comments I keep reading: "I CAN afford a PSP, but it's still too expensive." I'm sorry, but that sounds a lot like "I can't afford a PSP" -- if price really wasn't a problem, then you wouldn't mention it at all, right? It's a true statement that I CAN run out tomorrow and get one of those new, hot 2006 Lexus IS 350s that just hit the streets, but given my other financial priorities, it's still too expensive to fit within my pragmatic limits...so, colloquially speaking, I "can't" afford it.

Maybe it's asking people too much to try to imagine a hypothetical, but I'll try again: If both systems were IDENTICALLY priced -- hardware, average game cost, etc. -- which one would you pick? (If you have to invent a specific number to even wrap your head around it, then imagine the DS and the PSP Value Pack are both $200 -- no software pack-ins.)

 

[cvxfreak]

Well, I think this statement makes more sense: "I can afford a PSP, but it's not worth it right now."

That seems to be the real underlying issue right now.

And I'd gladly take the $200 VP PSP over a DS. That said I'd still own them both.

 

[Nightbringer]

Well, I think this statement makes more sense: "I can afford a PSP, but it's not worth it right now."

That seems to be the real underlying issue right now.

And I'd gladly take the $200 VP PSP over a DS. That said I'd still own them both.

Yes, this is the argument.

 

[elostyle]

Not everything I can afford and would have more than enough cash for actually warrants a purchase. I have too much to play anyways and too little time. Would I get one if it was 19.99$? Sure, doesn't mean 249$ isn't affordable to me. Just don't have a need for it.

 

[Scrow]

Most of what you're asking i've already covered jinx, but whatever. I'll just quote myself.

Again, to paraphrase the kinds of comments I keep reading: "I CAN afford a PSP, but it's still too expensive." I'm sorry, but that sounds a lot like "I can't afford a PSP" -- if price really wasn't a problem, then you wouldn't mention it at all, right?

and i also said given the games currently out for it i can't justify a purchase.

like any purchase there's more than one factor that goes into making a decision when to buy something.

and price just happens to be one of them, but certainly not the only one.

Maybe it's asking people too much to try to imagine a hypothetical, but I'll try again: If both systems were IDENTICALLY priced -- hardware, average game cost, etc. -- which one would you pick? (If you have to invent a specific number to even wrap your head around it, then imagine the DS and the PSP Value Pack are both $200 -- no software pack-ins.)

for me the price is just another reason not to get a PSP. the games on it is another reason. it's size is another reason.

DS has games i want, is more affordable, but its case design sucks (feels cheap, is too bulky and the button layout sucks ass). 2 out of 3 is better than 0 though.

take out the price factor and that leaves games and case design.

both systems are ugly bricks so that cancels it out, which only leaves the games. as already stated DS has more of the types of games I want.

so.... "If both systems were IDENTICALLY priced -- hardware, average game cost, etc." I would still get the DS on the games alone.

Well, I think this statement makes more sense: "I can afford a PSP, but it's not worth it right now."

ring-a-ding-ding

 

[Mook1e]

And then you have people like myself who can't really justify having a DS just for myself.
I have one that I share with my daughter (she uses it mostly), but all of the "no games" arguements against the PSP apply for me towards the DS.
Don't like Mario Kart, don't really care for advance wars or castlevania.
ouendan was fun to try, but still don't want to buy it, and the same goes for kirby.
I'm interested in Trauma Center, but not phoenix wright.
PSP is better just for the games (IMO)

 

[Scrow]

And then you have people like myself who can't really justify having a DS just for myself.
I have one that I share with my daughter (she uses it mostly), but all of the "no games" arguements against the PSP apply for me towards the DS.
Don't like Mario Kart, don't really care for advance wars or castlevania.
ouendan was fun to try, but still don't want to buy it, and the same goes for kirby.
I'm interested in Trauma Center, but not phoenix wright.
PSP is better just for the games (IMO)

aint that the beauty of personal taste?

 

[Powdered Toastman]

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but Nintendo loyalists willing to tolerate the slightly pixilated graphics and traditionally linear game formats might actually enjoy themselves
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What the hell does that mean.

PSP has teh bilinear (or even trilinear) game formats!!1

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

If we limit the discussion from overall awesomeness of each platform to which one has a better game lineup, I can't really imagine anyone but the most brainwashed of the EA generation picking the PSP with a straight face over the DS at this point. It's a goddamned renaissance in game design in several instances. But the PSP crowd doesn't want to hear that.

You were doing so well until this statement.

I picked up a PSP over a DS for games, and even as the libraries have grown, I still vastly prefer the PSP library. And I don't own a single EA game for it. The one I tried-- a friend's copy of NFS-- completely underwhelmed me.

It's gotten to be a sort of mantra around here that the DS game library has somehow become untouchable compared to the PSP, but for my money, the PSP library kills it. I have yet to see more than a game or two that appeals to me on the DS. Of course, that's my opinion, and I don't begrudge anybody their DS love. But I don't take the sweeping statements above as gospel, either.

Edit: DS games of interest: Adavnce Wars DS (tho I never got around to AW2, so I could always buy that first), Meteos, Mario Kart *maybe* (sounds like it has many of the aspects of later Mario Karts that I didn't like, including horrible catch-up logic). Most of the games I am interested in have caveats.

 

[Raytow]

Hahaha Juice you are such a delusional fanboy.

 

[elostyle]

I think one fanboy-finger-pointing per thread is good enough of a quota, don't you?

 

[Pimpwerx]

If the DS was the same price as the PSP, it'd have equal or better graphics and larger LCD screens.

If the PSP was $130, Sony would have to cut back the size of the LCD and scale down the graphics.

I seriously doubt that. Sony will build a better piece of kit than Nintendo. They can afford to since they make the components. If you think Sony is taking extreme measures to make the PSP now, just think what Nintendo would have to do to get that level of handheld through third party means. This and the PSP still has 33% more juice left to be tapped with a clock unlock if need be. This is ignoring games, but I don't see Nintendo making better handheld hardware at the same pricepoint. I'd wager they've repeatedly avoided direct matchups like this in the past for this very reason. PEACE.

 

[Catchpenny]

Maybe it's asking people too much to try to imagine a hypothetical, but I'll try again: If both systems were IDENTICALLY priced -- hardware, average game cost, etc. -- which one would you pick? (If you have to invent a specific number to even wrap your head around it, then imagine the DS and the PSP Value Pack are both $200 -- no software pack-ins.)

The DS. Now go think up some more reasons as to why I must be horribly deluded or lying to say this.

For the record, I like the PSP too. Don't own one yet, but that's due to preferring the DS library and not having the time to play three portables.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I was playing my cousin's PSP the other day.

Very nice screen.

After 5 minutes of "ooh" and "Ahh" I got bored and played Sonic Rush instead.

 

[elostyle]

I seriously doubt that. Sony will build a better piece of kit than Nintendo. They can afford to since they make the components.

Gamecube 99$ > PS2 149$ in terms of power.

 

[commish]

You were doing so well until this statement.

I picked up a PSP over a DS for games, and even as the libraries have grown, I still vastly prefer the PSP library. And I don't own a single EA game for it. The one I tried-- a friend's copy of NFS-- completely underwhelmed me.

It's gotten to be a sort of mantra around here that the DS game library has somehow become untouchable compared to the PSP, but for my money, the PSP library kills it. I have yet to see more than a game or two that appeals to me on the DS. Of course, that's my opinion, and I don't begrudge anybody their DS love. But I don't take the sweeping statements above as gospel, either.

Edit: DS games of interest: Adavnce Wars DS (tho I never got around to AW2, so I could always buy that first), Meteos, Mario Kart *maybe* (sounds like it has many of the aspects of later Mario Karts that I didn't like, including horrible catch-up logic). Most of the games I am interested in have caveats.

So are you going to at least name a few of these great PSP games? I find it interesting that you vastly prefer the PSP library, yet fail to name a single good game that you enjoy.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

So are you going to at least name a few of these great PSP games? I find it interesting that you vastly prefer the PSP library, yet fail to name a single good game that you enjoy.

I mentioned the DS games because on PSP threads I have mentioned the PSP games I like quite a few times. I even started a "Why I like the PSP thread" where I listed many great games.

Here's my current list o' love:

GTA
Lumines
Wipeout Pure
Namco Museum
Untold Legends
Twisted Metal

And it's been the above backlog of games that have kept me from getting:

Gripshift (I will, eventually)
Mercury (may or may not)

That's limited to what's currently out, and what I personally like. No golf game, for instance. A lot of stuff in the near and medium future coming out that I plan on getting as well.

Tell me, do you really find it "interesting" or are you trying to imply something?

 

[callous]

I mean, if it's really about the games, and not the technology...then it shouldn't be about the PRICE either, right? I wonder how many DS fans would pick it over the PSP if they were at identical price points.

I would've picked the PSP first in this scenario (if we're talking at launch), but looking at the DS library and what's coming for it, I would probably have bought a DS as well shortly after. After that, I would have bought more DS than PSP games.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Gamecube 99$ > PS2 149$ in terms of power.

GC enjoyed over a year's worth of advances on the GPU side. Hell, the GS was completed in like 97/98. Now, if the GC came out at the same time as the PS2, and beat it, then you'd have a point. The GC came out at the same time as the Xbox, and the Xbox is more powerful than the GC. And both companies got PC GPUs. Sony makes the major components. Cost advantages are on their side. They will outperform the competition dollar for dollar in the same timeframe everytime. PEACE.

 

[elostyle]

GC enjoyed over a year's worth of advances on the GPU side. Hell, the GS was completed in like 97/98. Now, if the GC came out at the same time as the PS2, and beat it, then you'd have a point. The GC came out at the same time as the Xbox, and the Xbox is more powerful than the GC. And both companies got PC GPUs. Sony makes the major components. Cost advantages are on their side. They will outperform the competition dollar for dollar in the same timeframe everytime. PEACE.

Hardware design plays an important part as well, it is not all about cutting out the middlemen. I don't actually know to what degree companies make their chips themselfs. Nintendo owns the designs so they might be making them themselfs as well.
Doesn't Sony outsource the actual semiconductor production as well?

Anyways, Sony is using an nvidia chip in the PS3 now too and Nintendo has always made their handheld chips themselfs.

 

[commish]

Tell me, do you really find it "interesting" or are you trying to imply something?

A little from column A, a little from column B. But see, out of the games you listed, most were launch games (and how could you exclude MGA...); since launch I haven't bought a single PSP game, and therein lies my problem with the system. All that seems to be coming out are ports of games better played on my PS2 instead of great handheld games like Castlevania, Advance Wars, Phoenix, Trauma, Mario Kart, etc etc. That's why I think the games for the systems aren't even close at this point.

For the record, I think in 18 months, this conversation won't even be had, as the PSP will surpass the DS. Anyone who's been playing games the last 10 years know that it takes a year or so before a system starts rollin'.

 

[CurlySaysX]

This Article is useless.
Everyone knows that the psp is a superior gaming system than the ds, exept maybe a minor few who cant let go of 2D gaming.

The only genre where the DS excels and leaves the PSP for dead is with 2D Platforming games. But with emulation the PSP has billions of 2D platforming games which are more original and fun than most DS platformers.

PSP :bow

 

[Ceb]

A little from column A, a little from column B. But see, out of the games you listed, most were launch games (and how could you exclude MGA...); since launch I haven't bought a single PSP game, and therein lies my problem with the system. All that seems to be coming out are ports of games better played on my PS2 instead of great handheld games like Castlevania, Advance Wars, Phoenix, Trauma, Mario Kart, etc etc. That's why I think the games for the systems aren't even close at this point.

And Castlevania, Advance Wars and Mario Kart wouldn't play better on your GC/PS2/whatever? You probably bought them because they're good games + portable. Guess what, the same thing applies to the PSP versions of SSX and Virtua Tennis, for example.

 

[Speevy]

Well, the PSP would win every time. It's not exactly winning every time, but I think it will eventually.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

A little from column A, a little from column B. But see, out of the games you listed, most were launch games (and how could you exclude MGA...); since launch I haven't bought a single PSP game, and therein lies my problem with the system. All that seems to be coming out are ports of games better played on my PS2 instead of great handheld games like Castlevania, Advance Wars, Phoenix, Trauma, Mario Kart, etc etc. That's why I think the games for the systems aren't even close at this point.

For the record, I think in 18 months, this conversation won't even be had, as the PSP will surpass the DS. Anyone who's been playing games the last 10 years know that it takes a year or so before a system starts rollin'.

I haven't bought that many post-launch games in part becuase I have been busy with the launch catalog. That, and until last month, there was a bit of a drought.

Couple things:

1) I left off Ridge Racer. Whoops.

2) I think this statement is incorrect: "All that seems to be coming out are ports of games better played on my PS2." I did a scan of games list and founf that well under half of PSP games are ports or "Legends"-type updates.

3) "etc etc" usually means "I can't think of any more." You listed 5 games. I can't see that equating to some unquestionable dominance over the PSP. Which is exactly what I was attacking. I can easily see how some woudl prefer the DS lineup-- but when people make statement's like "the DS lineup in unquestionably better" I call BS. Unquestionably better only if you like certain games and don't like others.

4) I have no idea which system will surpass the other. Not all that interesting to me, as long as a steady flow of good games keeps coming. Or I'll get a DS, too (heck, I probably will, I've owned every other Nintendo handheld eventually, even the Virtual Boy, if you count that).

5) I never played MGA. Too many other games competing for my PSP time. I may eventually, or perhaps just get MGA2.

 

[commish]

I haven't bought that many post-launch games in part becuase I have been busy with the launch catalog. That, and until last month, there was a bit of a drought.

Couple things:

1) I left off Ridge Racer. Whoops.

2) I think this statement is incorrect: "All that seems to be coming out are ports of games better played on my PS2." I did a scan of games list and founf that well under half of PSP games are ports or "Legends"-type updates.

3) "etc etc" usually means "I can't think of any more." You listed 5 games. I can't see that equating to some unquestionable dominance over the PSP. Which is exactly what I was attacking. I can easily see how some woudl prefer the DS lineup-- but when people make statement's like "the DS lineup in unquestionably better" I call BS. Unquestionably better only if you like certain games and don't like others.

4) I have no idea which system will surpass the other. Not all that interesting to me, as long as a steady flow of good games keeps coming. Or I'll get a DS, too (heck, I probably will, I've owned every other Nintendo handheld eventually, even the Virtual Boy, if you count that).

5) I never played MGA. Too many other games competing for my PSP time. I may eventually, or perhaps just get MGA2.

2. But how many are worth buying? Lot of mediocre games IMO.

3. Nothing is unquestionable when it comes to opinion, so I'm not saying that it's an absolute truth. My point is that the DS has better and more original games at this time. And if you want more games, then I'll add Mario and Luigi, Sonic Rush, Nintendogs (woot), Meteos, and Bomberman. I have both systems, so I've no need to be biased either way. I've played the "best" for each system, and for me, it's not close at this point in time, game-wise.

4. I still pick the PSP over the long haul, if only for the game volume that is sure to come. Law of averages says that if a billion games are released, a few are bound to be good

5. MGA is the best PSP game so far. Love it.

 

[Mook1e]

*blah blah blah * for me, it's not close at this point in time, game-wise.

/end discussion.

you've already said it a few times and I agree. This is your opinion (and not absolute truth) and it's shared by quite a few people.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Re #2: I just hear that a lot from people who haven't really looked at the PSP game library.

I'm not really interested in changing anybody's opinion about the PSP, so as to the rest of the post-- peace. Enjoy. For me, it's the other way around. I can't keep up with the library as it is, and more coming.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Again, to paraphrase the kinds of comments I keep reading: "I CAN afford a PSP, but it's still too expensive." I'm sorry, but that sounds a lot like "I can't afford a PSP" -- if price really wasn't a problem, then you wouldn't mention it at all, right? It's a true statement that I CAN run out tomorrow and get one of those new, hot 2006 Lexus IS 350s that just hit the streets, but given my other financial priorities, it's still too expensive to fit within my pragmatic limits...so, colloquially speaking, I "can't" afford it.

Maybe it's asking people too much to try to imagine a hypothetical, but I'll try again: If both systems were IDENTICALLY priced -- hardware, average game cost, etc. -- which one would you pick? (If you have to invent a specific number to even wrap your head around it, then imagine the DS and the PSP Value Pack are both $200 -- no software pack-ins.)

this is just all kinds of wrong. and putting this hypothetical situation where they cost the same is basically just saying "what if DS wasn't as good?" currently one of DS's biggest advantages is that it has much better games for a much lower cost. For people like myself, why would I pay more for what I can get better and cheaper?

In your statement above, you can't afford the car. In the PSP DS thing, I can afford the PSP, but why not save the cash?

"I CAN afford a PSP, but it's still too expensive."

there is nothing wrong with this statement. It holds true. I can go to a store and go "oh man I want a chocolate bar" and then say "mmmm toblerone" and then say "4 bucks, fuck that" and buy a king size block of generic chocolate, that lo and behold turns out to actually taste better. Nobody is going to accuse me of being poor cause I didn't want the toblerone.

 

[commish]

Re #2: I just hear that a lot from people who haven't really looked at the PSP game library.

I don't get it... you say you've been busy with the launch catalog and haven't played many since then, yet you accuse me of not really looking at the PSP game library? I've gameflyed most of the games at some point. I'm fairly certain that I've actually played more of them than you have, so I'm not sure how that's not really looking at the library but that's fine I realize that it's different strokes for different folks, but, to be honest, most of the people who share your opinion only own the PSP and not both.

 

[jj984jj]

You were doing so well until this statement.

I picked up a PSP over a DS for games, and even as the libraries have grown, I still vastly prefer the PSP library. And I don't own a single EA game for it. The one I tried-- a friend's copy of NFS-- completely underwhelmed me.

It's gotten to be a sort of mantra around here that the DS game library has somehow become untouchable compared to the PSP, but for my money, the PSP library kills it. I have yet to see more than a game or two that appeals to me on the DS. Of course, that's my opinion, and I don't begrudge anybody their DS love. But I don't take the sweeping statements above as gospel, either.

Edit: DS games of interest: Adavnce Wars DS (tho I never got around to AW2, so I could always buy that first), Meteos, Mario Kart *maybe* (sounds like it has many of the aspects of later Mario Karts that I didn't like, including horrible catch-up logic). Most of the games I am interested in have caveats.

I don't see how you would get that feeling, unless you've only been watching the forums for the past few months while the DS has been doing well.

 

[commish]

And Castlevania, Advance Wars and Mario Kart wouldn't play better on your GC/PS2/whatever? You probably bought them because they're good games + portable. Guess what, the same thing applies to the PSP versions of SSX and Virtua Tennis, for example.

Ah, but the thing is is that they don't exist on my GC/PS2. I can't go play Trauma Center on my GC, but I sure as heck can go play SSX and VT on my PS2.

I'm coming across as being anti-PSP, when nothing could be further from the truth. I've already stated that I think the PSP has a brighter future (outside of Nintendo made games, which always own). I just see so much potential in the PSP that isn't being realized yet, and I don't want the PSP to be a console port dumping ground.

Edit: Hmmm... is VT on the PS2? I'm not even sure

 

[borghe]

I mean, if it's really about the games, and not the technology...then it shouldn't be about the PRICE either, right? I wonder how many DS fans would pick it over the PSP if they were at identical price points.

you are half there. the DS vs PSP threads boil down to:

overpriced with no library and a bunch of console ports
underpowered nintendo system (in itself meant to be derogatory) with a bunch of gimmicks

if it were REALLY just about the games, (and taking into account that many others outside of myself enjoy the PSP library) and NOT about price, then a GAMER would own both. Because last time I checked Casltevania, Phoenix Wright, Advance Wars, etc were not on PSP and Wipeout Pure, Ridge Racers, GTA:LCS, etc were not on DS.

People justify their bias in different ways. library isn't good enough, too expensive, too underpowered, don't like how it looks blah blah blah blah. but at the end of the day it is just justification for bias. because I don't believe for a second that anyone out there could play through each systems' entire library and find only 0-2 games in the entirety of the libraries that are worth playing. they might take a look at one library or the other and insist that is the case, but I guarantee that if either side sits down with the collection of AAA titles available for each system and plays through, you'll see them have more fun than they deemed they would.

 

[PhoenixDark]

PROPAGANDA

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I don't see how you would get that feeling, unless you've only been watching the forums for the past few months while the DS has been doing well.

Since the most recent wave of games (September I think?) the "DS library is clearly superior" meme has been all over GAF.

Before that, the dominant meme was "both libraries suck equally."

I didn't agree with that one, either.


Commish: Let me restate:

I hear from a lot of people who clearly aren't looking at the whole release list that (most | practially all | all) PSP games are ports of games better played on PS2. As somebody who has been following the release lists, I know this to be not true. Well under half the PSP library titles are ports of any kind. This is a matter of fact, not opinion, and that's what I was correcting. You're going gonzo over something I'm not saying.

I see now that you've switched to the "but you're in the minority camp" tack now. As if that matters. I say, the PSP library is better, clearly. Why shoudl anybody else's opinion matter but mine? Clearly, I am " the most brainwashed of the EA generation" [the quote to which I was responding] even though EA's PSP offerings suck. And yeah, I woudl expect people who share my opinion to only own PSPs-- that's effect, not cause. Why should I buy a portable whose games are less appealing when I am busy with another one?

The DS fanboys are still so hurting from the taunts of the PSP fanboys while it was doing well that they can't see what self-righteous assholes they've become.

 

[Mook1e]

you are half there. the DS vs PSP threads boil down to:

overpriced with no library and a bunch of console ports
underpowered nintendo system (in itself meant to be derogatory) with a bunch of gimmicks

if it were REALLY just about the games, (and taking into account that many others outside of myself enjoy the PSP library) and NOT about price, then a GAMER would own both. Because last time I checked Casltevania, Phoenix Wright, Advance Wars, etc were not on PSP and Wipeout Pure, Ridge Racers, GTA:LCS, etc were not on DS.

People justify their bias in different ways. library isn't good enough, too expensive, too underpowered, don't like how it looks blah blah blah blah. but at the end of the day it is just justification for bias. because I don't believe for a second that anyone out there could play through each systems' entire library and find only 0-2 games in the entirety of the libraries that are worth playing. they might take a look at one library or the other and insist that is the case, but I guarantee that if either side sits down with the collection of AAA titles available for each system and plays through, you'll see them have more fun than they deemed they would.

I don't agree with your final point. I know plenty of people who hate GTA, and plenty who hate MarioKart. You are correct, however, that the two systems almost perfectly compliment each other and any gamer should own both...

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Borghe: There's also the matter of time. I am sure I would enjoy many (but not all) of the AAA titles for DS. But I have too many games on PSP to play already, and more coming. So I choose. Previous installments of the series prominent on DS haven't kept me as interested and previous installments of series on PSP, so I chose that.

 

[Phranky]

Thumbs up. This guy knows his stuff, bizarre Madden recommendation aside.

:lol

You've descended so far into anti-Nintendo hatred that you've become an actual caricature of sony fanboys... amazing.

 

[commish]

Commish: Let me restate:

I hear from a lot of people who clearly aren't looking at the whole release list that (most | practially all | all) PSP games are ports of games better played on PS2. As somebody who has been following the release lists, I know this to be not true. Well under half the PSP library titles are ports of any kind. This is a matter of fact, not opinion, and that's what I was correcting. You're going gonzo over something I'm not saying.

I see now that you've switched to the "but you're in the minority camp" tack now. As is that matters. I say, the PSP library is better, clearly. Why shoudl anybody else's opinion matter but mine? Clearly, I am " the most brainwashed of the EA generation" [the quote to which I was responding] even though EA's PSP offerings suck. And yeah, I woudl expect people who share my opinion to only own PSPs-- that's effect, not cause. Why should I buy a portable whose games are less appealing when I am busy with another one?

The DS fanboys are still so hurting from the taunts of the PSP fanboys while it was doing well that they can't see what self-righteous assholes they've become.

I'm hardly going gonzo; I just don't know how you can defend/attack something you've never experienced is all. It'd be silly of me to post in a "Porsche vs ferrari" thread when I own neither. Sure, we can have our preference to which car/company we like better, but when it comes down to it, most of our experiences are what we have read rather than experienced ourselves (Yes, I know you own PSP, but you know what I'm getting at).

I find it pretty ironic that you bring up fanboys when 98.3% of fanboys can be classified as someone who owns one system/game and doesn't like the competition.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I'm hardly going gonzo; I just don't know how you can defend/attack something you've never experienced is all. It'd be silly of me to post in a "Porsche vs ferrari" thread when I own neither. Sure, we can have our preference to which car/company we like better, but when it comes down to it, most of our experiences are what we have read rather than experienced ourselves (Yes, I know you own PSP, but you know what I'm getting at).
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I'm attacking a fact-based statement which is incorrect: that most of the PSP library is ports. What do you think I am saying? Read my post again. The bold parts.

As far as your opinion of those games-- I have sero problems with that. As far as your pigeonholing of my opinion to make you feel better about your tastes-- that I do have a problem with.

 

[commish]

You are correct, however, that the two systems almost perfectly compliment each other and any gamer should own both...

Agreed.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Hardware design plays an important part as well, it is not all about cutting out the middlemen. I don't actually know to what degree companies make their chips themselfs. Nintendo owns the designs so they might be making them themselfs as well.
Doesn't Sony outsource the actual semiconductor production as well?

Anyways, Sony is using an nvidia chip in the PS3 now too and Nintendo has always made their handheld chips themselfs.

Sony is making RSX themselves. I wasn't aware that Nintendo made their own chips. Even so, they are using ancient chip designs that are small and cheap. Let's see them making a cutting edge IC. Hardware is definitely something Sony does better than the competition. Cutting out the middleman is the prime reason they can scale costs so well on their hardware. PEACE.

 

[elostyle]

Sony is making RSX themselves. I wasn't aware that Nintendo made their own chips. Even so, they are using ancient chip designs that are small and cheap. Let's see them making a cutting edge IC. Hardware is definitely something Sony does better than the competition. Cutting out the middleman is the prime reason they can scale costs so well on their hardware. PEACE.

Let's face it, the PSP gpu is not cutting edge. The DS gpu is not ancient but conciously scaled system-on-a-chip design that includes 2 cpus, both 3D gpu stages and 2 hardware 2D engines and vram on a single custom IC.

Even gizmondo can have a 200mhz cpu in their portable, so _could_ nintendo. This is not a matter of ability.

 

[Xrenity]

:lol

You've descended so far into anti-Nintendo hatred that you've become an actual caricature of sony fanboys... amazing.

Far worse, he's become a caricature of himself.