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[commish]

I'm attacking a fact-based statement which is incorrect: that most of the PSP library is ports. What do you think I am saying? Read my post again. The bold parts.

As far as your opinion of those games-- I have sero problems with that. As far as your pigeonholing of my opinion to make you feel better about your tastes-- that I do have a problem with.

Um... I already agreed that not all of the games are ports. That's when I said that most are mediocre IMO, and later I said that I have gameflyed most of them. Not sure why you're still on that point. But my point that you defend the PSP without having played most of the games you base your argument on stands.

Why would I need to feel better about my tastes? I own both systems! If you prefer the PSP - hey I have that covered! If someone prefers the DS - hey I have that covered too! Not that I particularly care either way, mind you. Sure, I'll discuss it, but it's not like I write in my diary about messageboad conflicts.

Holla at your boy.

 

[jj984jj]

Since the most recent wave of games (September I think?) the "DS library is clearly superior" meme has been all over GAF.

Before that, the dominant meme was "both libraries suck equally."

I didn't agree with that one, either.


Commish: Let me restate:

I hear from a lot of people who clearly aren't looking at the whole release list that (most | practially all | all) PSP games are ports of games better played on PS2. As somebody who has been following the release lists, I know this to be not true. Well under half the PSP library titles are ports of any kind. This is a matter of fact, not opinion, and that's what I was correcting. You're going gonzo over something I'm not saying.

I see now that you've switched to the "but you're in the minority camp" tack now. As if that matters. I say, the PSP library is better, clearly. Why shoudl anybody else's opinion matter but mine? Clearly, I am " the most brainwashed of the EA generation" [the quote to which I was responding] even though EA's PSP offerings suck. And yeah, I woudl expect people who share my opinion to only own PSPs-- that's effect, not cause. Why should I buy a portable whose games are less appealing when I am busy with another one?

The DS fanboys are still so hurting from the taunts of the PSP fanboys while it was doing well that they can't see what self-righteous assholes they've become.

:lol Look at that post. Yet you told me I was being hysterical.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Um... I already agreed that not all of the games are ports. That's when I said that most are mediocre IMO, and later I said that I have gameflyed most of them. Not sure why you're still on that point. But my point that you defend the PSP without having played most of the games you base your argument on stands.

Why would I need to feel better about my tastes? I own both systems! If you prefer the PSP - hey I have that covered! If someone prefers the DS - hey I have that covered too! Not that I particularly care either way, mind you. Sure, I'll discuss it, but it's not like I write in my diary about messageboad conflicts.

Holla at your boy.

Um, regarding the first statement-- it was an "if the shoe fits" thing. You at first said that most games were ports. When I corrected you and you said that most weren't worth playing, I didn't say anything (except to explain what I had been correcting). I have no need to invalidate your opinion of games you've rented. It has no bearing on the conversation, unless you hold that your opinion = objective tastes in gaming.

Regarding this point:
"But my point that you defend the PSP without having played most of the games you base your argument on stands."

No, I base my argument on the games I've actually played. And my argument is nothing more controversial than this-- the DS's library is not unquestionably better than the PSP's-- it's a matter of taste, despite recent trends of GAF to elevate the DS's library to the status of unquestionably better [see Juice's post]. Care to take issue with that one?

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

:lol Look at that post. Yet you told me I was being hysterical.

Where did I say you were hysterical?

I said commish was going gonzo, because he was all over some point I wasn't even trying to make.

Please, quote.

 

[jj984jj]

Where did I say you were hysterical?

I said commish was going gonzo, because he was all over some point I wasn't even trying to make.

Please, quote.

*points to yesterday's PSP argument*

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

*points to yesterday's PSP argument*

Oh yeah, I did. When you took a mention of PSP having a sleep mode to mean this:

You win, I give up, PSP > DS, DS am d00med, wow go PSP, next year the DS shall cease to exist, Drinky am happy, Nintendo is teh next Sega, etc.

 

[commish]

Regarding this point:
"But my point that you defend the PSP without having played most of the games you base your argument on stands."

No, I base my argument on the games I've actually played. And my argument is nothing more controversial than this-- the DS's library is not unquestionably better than the PSP's-- it's a matter of taste, despite recent trends of GAF to elevate the DS's library to the status of unquestionably better [see Juice's post]. Care to take issue with that one?

And I restate what I said forever ago - nothing is unquestionable when it comes to opinion. I've already said I agree. You seem to be stuck on the "only 43.2334% of games are ports" thing. Fine, let's say every game is original, still doesn't make them quality games. There are quality games, sure thing, just more on the DS at this time.

 

[FortNinety]

What do you expect in the technology section? The PSP is more technologically advanced than the DS. Dur.

Yup.

Things like this really underscore how tough it must be for casual parents/grandparents to even attempt shopping for gamer gifts. There's literally no way they can be well informed -- columnists are typically full of it, store employees are mostly clueless. To make matters worse, the complexity of choices keep increasing. Could any of you imagine your grandma trying to figure out what kind of game to get you if they didn't have a list?

Once again, yup.

Maybe I should advertise my services as a RETAIL GAMING CONSULTANT! I'll come to their house, take a look at the games on their gamer's shelf, conduct a short interview with the gamer in question, and then I accompany them to the video game store of their choice and help them shop for a nominal fee!

My girlfriend recently suggested the same thing this past weekend, after I scoffed at Circuit City's new $30 service where they show people how to log onto the internet with their PSPs!!!

BTW, why hasn't anyone goofed on the author's name, Blake Steck?

 

[jj984jj]

Oh yeah, I did. When you took a mention of PSP having a sleep mode to mean this:

Because I knew the PSP had a sleep mode, I was referring to the types of games on both handhelds in my post, and I did not feel like arguing with Matix who I've already debated with many times before. I think my mistake yesterday though was saying QFT instead of IAWTP.

 

[borghe]

though I think one thing both PSP and DS gamers can agree on is that the article is borderline idiotic and that it provides nothing meaningful in ways of comparisons between the two systems, thanks to apparent bias and inaccuracies.

So let's not let some ignorant article stir up stuff once again here.

fake edit - this post may have come from someone else who hijacked my account. I am not known for being this level headed in regard to handheld gaming. I am sorry if the unusual level of this post has caused anyone heart failure or whiplash from a double take.

 

[Forgotten Ancient]

Price has nothing to do with it for me. The biggest thing that's keeping me from purchasing a PSP is the DS. There's only so much time that can be spent gaming and I don't have room for a second, and what I consider inferior, handheld.

 

[kaching]

Don't worry, borghe, no one is falling for your mock level-headedness - of course you'd entreat everyone to agree that a pro-PSP article is borderline idiotic.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

though I think one thing both PSP and DS gamers can agree on is that the article is borderline idiotic and that it provides nothing meaningful in ways of comparisons between the two systems, thanks to apparent bias and inaccuracies.

So let's not let some ignorant article stir up stuff once again here.

fake edit - this post may have come from someone else who hijacked my account. I am not known for being this level headed in regard to handheld gaming. I am sorry if the unusual level of this post has caused anyone heart failure or whiplash from a double take.

:lol

IAWTP

 

[Gio_CoD]

I've got both the PSP and the DS, and the DS gets FAAAAR more play time than the PSP. It's just easier to pull out and play for a few minutes.

That, and I'm terrified of scratching my PSP, so it's like a ritual everytime I have to take it out of it's aluminum case, wipe it down with the cleaning cloth, wait a minute for it to load, wait another minute for it to load, press the start button, wait a minute for it to load, then eventually play for 2 minutes and wipe it down and put it back in the case.

The DS gets thrown in my pocket and never cleaned. I don't give a shit about thumb prints on the touch screen.

 

[Drinky Crow]

There are only three quality games on the DS: Advance Wars, Trauma Center, and Castlevania.

And the article rocks! Who cares if the author plays fast and loose with the facts -- as long as he steers folks away from that poorly-designed, archaic piece of gaming garbage we call the DS, it's ALL good.

 

[Gio_CoD]

There are only three quality games on the DS: Advance Wars, Trauma Center, and Castlevania.

Yeah, but there's only one (GTA) quality game for the PSP, so what's your point?

 

[Scrow]

It's just easier to pull out and play for a few minutes.

>_<

 

[Ponn]

I've got both the PSP and the DS, and the DS gets FAAAAR more play time than the PSP. It's just easier to pull out and play for a few minutes.

That, and I'm terrified of scratching my PSP, so it's like a ritual everytime I have to take it out of it's aluminum case, wipe it down with the cleaning cloth, wait a minute for it to load, wait another minute for it to load, press the start button, wait a minute for it to load, then eventually play for 2 minutes and wipe it down and put it back in the case.

The DS gets thrown in my pocket and never cleaned. I don't give a shit about thumb prints on the touch screen.

I have both too and play the PSP alot more. Weird huh? It's easier for me to take out my PSP and come back right into the middle of a game of Xmen Legends 2 then having to start a DS game like Castlevania and get my stylus out and set myself into the weird DS playing position with stylus at the ready and hands situated just so I can reach the screen.

 

[Gio_CoD]

I have both too and play the PSP alot more. Weird huh? It's easier for me to take out my PSP and come back right into the middle of a game of Xmen Legends 2 then having to start a DS game like Castlevania and get my stylus out and set myself into the weird DS playing position with stylus at the ready and hands situated just so I can reach the screen.

Yeah, it often takes me three to four minutes to pull the stylus out of the back of my DS, especially for a game that doesn't require the stylus.

 

[Ponn]

Yeah, it often takes me three to four minutes to pull the stylus out of the back of my DS, especially for a game that doesn't require the stylus.

Good job missing the point.

 

[Gio_CoD]

Good job missing the point.

No, I got the point. Different strokes for different folks. It's just that your reasoning behind your point was absurd.

 

[Ponn]

No, I got the point. Different strokes for different folks. It's just that your reasoning behind your point was absurd.

As was yours in my eyes and as such mine in your eyes. I take my psp out and I turn it on from sleep mode about 95 percent of the time and i'm right where I left off in my game. I don't have to go through a "ritual" everytime of buffing my PSP, hell I don't even carry the cloth around with me anymore. I don't have to go through loading movie after loading movie.

 

[Gio_CoD]

As was yours in my eyes and as such mine in your eyes. I take my psp out and I turn it on from sleep mode about 95 percent of the time and i'm right where I left off in my game. I don't have to go through a "ritual" everytime of buffing my PSP, hell I don't even carry the cloth around with me anymore. I don't have to go through loading movie after loading movie.

Well fair enough. Agree to disagree.

 

[commish]

I have both too and play the PSP alot more. Weird huh? It's easier for me to take out my PSP and come back right into the middle of a game of Xmen Legends 2 then having to start a DS game like Castlevania and get my stylus out and set myself into the weird DS playing position with stylus at the ready and hands situated just so I can reach the screen.

Dude! You need a stylus for about 10 seconds TOTAL of CoS.

 

[kaching]

Well fair enough. Agree to disagree.

What's to disagree on? You're far too fussy with your PSP and doing something wrong if it actually takes you minutes to get anything going on it.

 

[ninge]

yeah. You turn it on from sleep mode only 95% of the time tho.. the other 5% the machine has stuffed it and you have to hard reset losing all your progress!

Afraid im another who bought a 1.0 PSP at launch, played the hell out of ridge racers and lumines, bought wipeout and played it a bit then stuck some emulators on it, watched some movies, browsed the web and then put it on a shelf and bought a DS.

Mario64, MarioKart, Trauma Centre, Nintendogs, Castlevania, Advance Wars and No Code mean i havn't touched the PSP since and with Animal crossing, mario and luigi, princess peach and the new mario bros still to buy i can't see that changing soon!

(now out over 50 hours into advance wars - im officially "hardcore" which makes me all warm and fuzzy for some reason)

 

[Gio_CoD]

What's to disagree on? You're far too fussy with your PSP and doing something wrong if it actually takes you minutes to get anything going on it.

I was just giving a general example of one of the reasons I don't play the PSP too often. I could go in to the multitude of other reasons I don't particularly care for it, but I didn't think this was a "Vigorously defend your console of choice!" thread. Regardless of sleep mode, the games themselves are often riddled with load times between levels, checkpoints, menus, etc... The DS is far more suitable to quick gaming bursts than the PSP, and I honestly don't see how anyone could disagree with that.

 

[Ponn]

yeah. You turn it on from sleep mode only 95% of the time tho.. the other 5% the machine has stuffed it and you have to hard reset losing all your progress!

The other 5 percent I was watching a movie, TV show, listening to music or was browsing the web. Hey good attempt at trying to put words in my mouth though.

 

[ninge]

oh come on, it was funny AND true

 

[Ponn]

oh come on, it was funny AND true

True for you maybe if you don't charge your system. Has never happened to me though.

 

[Kiriku]

I'm terrified of scratching my PSP, so it's like a ritual everytime I have to take it out of it's aluminum case, wipe it down with the cleaning cloth

Hehe...I remember being like that as well at first. I would tell everyone who tried out my PSP to be super-careful and never, ever touch the screen or even let anything come in contact with it.

That lasted for about a month. Then of course, small scratches began to appear anyway, the really small ones you only can see in certain angles. I was a bit frustrated at first, then I realized that "hey...when I'm actually USING my PSP it doesn't matter at all". I now have a few more scratches, but I never see them when my PSP is turned on anyway. So I don't care anymore...hell, I rarely even wipe the screen...I use the included soft case all the time though.

As a sidenote to this sidenote...I actually dropped my PSP (in its case) on the floor last night, it even bounced and flipped over. I was really worried of course, but it turned out to be perfectly fine...not even a scratch. So yeah...I think people worry to much about their PSPs and how to handle them.
Not saying everyone should drop their PSPs on the floor though.

 

[Tsubaki]

The DS defenders in this thread have given terrible reasons as to why one might get a DS over a PSP.

It's so simple: The Nintendo DS offers a gaming experience that no portable system and no home system can duplicate.

The DS is quirky with what it offers, and the potential is always there. The only problem with the DS is that companies are shoving GBA games into a DS cartridge and calling them DS games. The GBA is still a viable format so I don't see why they feel the need to dilute the DS library.

 

[Gio_CoD]

The DS defenders in this thread have given terrible reasons as to why one might get a DS over a PSP.

It's so simple: The Nintendo DS offers a gaming experience that no portable system and no home system can duplicate.

The DS is quirky with what it offers, and the potential is always there. The only problem with the DS is that companies are shoving GBA games into a DS cartridge and calling them DS games. The GBA is still a viable format so I don't see why they feel the need to dilute the DS library.

I don't know if that's exactly the best reason to get a DS. My favorite DS game so far is easily Mario Kart, and there's no reason that couldn't be done on the PSP. But it's not on the PSP, so there's a reason to get a DS.

 

[kaching]

...I didn't think this was a "Vigorously defend your console of choice!" thread.

:lol Who are you kidding?

Regardless of sleep mode, the games themselves are often riddled with load times between levels, checkpoints, menus, etc... The DS is far more suitable to quick gaming bursts than the PSP, and I honestly don't see how anyone could disagree with that.

I honestly don't see where we disagreed on that, since that's not what we were even discussing directly. I was just trying to understand how you're managing to take "minutes" to get a game session started. Don't blame the PSP for the fact that you don't know how to use it to best effect. It's not that hard.

 

[Gio_CoD]

I honestly don't see where we disagreed on that, since that's not what we were even discussing directly. I was just trying to understand how you're managing to take "minutes" to get a game session started. Don't blame the PSP for the fact that you don't know how to use it to best effect. It's not that hard.

I've been burned in sleep mode twice. Once it just didn't turn on. I had to pull the battery out and then put it back in to get it to come back up. The second time was when I sleeped a Madden game and when it came back up it was frozen. Probably EA's fault, but still enough to make me a little weary of the feature.

 

[iapetus]

There are only three quality games on the DS: Advance Wars, Trauma Center, and Castlevania.

 

[kaching]

The only time I've had problems with sleep mode is with homebrew apps that didn't guarantee it to work in the first place. I'd suggest that two instances of sleep mode failing should be no reason to be turned off to its use in general.

In any case, I'm not talking strictly about sleep mode here, because there are a number of games that don't require "minutes" to get started from a cold start.

 

[elostyle]

Why is recovering a PSP from sleep mode better/faster than just opening the DS?

 

[Gio_CoD]

The only time I've had problems with sleep mode is with homebrew apps that didn't guarantee it to work in the first place. I'd suggest that two instances of sleep mode failing should be no reason to be turned off to its use in general.

In any case, I'm not talking strictly about sleep mode here, because there are a number of games that don't require "minutes" to get started from a cold start.

Well look, I'm not trying to take a dump on the PSP. I think it's a phenomenal piece of hardware. I still find myself awestruck at times when I realize I'm playing GTA in my hand with a full out streaming city with dialogue and everything. For certain types of games, you can't beat the PSP. GTA is awesome, and when Kojima gets of his ass and makes a non card-based Metal Gear, I'll be all over that. I'd also LOVE to try out SOCOM with the headset.

I'm just saying that traditionally, I find the DS a lot easier to play in short bursts. I was really happy yesterday when I stopped by McDonalds for lunch (premium grilled chicken sandwich is pretty good) and played two Wifi games of Mario Kart online. To me, the fact that I was racing people around the country on my lunchbreak was just as impressive as driving around the virtual city on the PSP.

 

[bridegur]

It took me a while to decide between a PSP and a DS, but Kirby has made my purchase worthwhile. It's the first portable game I've ever felt like playing at home. I'll look into the PSP again when Loco Roco (?) comes out, but until then I have my iPod for music and video.

 

[kaching]

Haleon: we're cool.

Why is revovering a PSP from sleep mode better/faster than just opening the DS?

Err...who said it was?

 

[mckmas8808]

Why is revovering a PSP from sleep mode better/faster than just opening the DS?

It's not it's the samething.

 

[bishoptl]

The only good game PSP has is Luminees

stfu bitch

 

[Mode]

Trauma Center is a good DS game? Am I missing something? That game was BARELY above average.

 

[DSN2K]

choice is simple,

GBA kicks the shit out both the PSP and DS for games.

 

[Mode]

choice is simple,

GBA kicks the shit out both the PSP and DS for games.

well gee whiz, I'm glad my DS can play GBA games.

 

[Dilbert]

The DS. Now go think up some more reasons as to why I must be horribly deluded or lying to say this.

No, I don't think you're deluded or lying.

 

[Drinky Crow]

I think he is!

 

[cvxfreak]

There are only three quality games on the DS: Advance Wars, Trauma Center, and Castlevania.

And the article rocks! Who cares if the author plays fast and loose with the facts -- as long as he steers folks away from that poorly-designed, archaic piece of gaming garbage we call the DS, it's ALL good.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Let's face it, the PSP gpu is not cutting edge. The DS gpu is not ancient but conciously scaled system-on-a-chip design that includes 2 cpus, both 3D gpu stages and 2 hardware 2D engines and vram on a single custom IC.

Even gizmondo can have a 200mhz cpu in their portable, so _could_ nintendo. This is not a matter of ability.

You don't know what you're talking about. Name another handheld packing the 3D power of the PSP. Hell, name one from this year, even. The PSP GPU isn't cutting edge compared to a PC GPU. But for a mobile device...a HANDHELD device, it blows the doors off the competition. The DS uses an old ARM chip IIRC. I'd look it up, but it doesn't make much difference what chip it is. It's an old pos. Don't think so? You could miniaturize a PS2 (PSP) or miniaturize a N64 (DS). There's a generational leap between the two when compared to the console counterparts. That and the PSP's chip can scale to 333MHz, and is only running at 222MHz right now.

I never said Sony had some special powers that let them make a powerful handheld. Nintendo and Giz can too. But they could not pack in the same hardware for the same dollar Sony will. The simple and obvious fact is that Sony makes the chips. What on earth do you think costs all that money, the plastic? Sony makes most of the PSP's parts. Economies of scale have a direct impact on their net revenue from the machine. Nintendo and anyone else would have to go through a middleman since they don't own 90nm fabs, if any fabs at all. They can't volume-produce a device like this, and Sony can. So Sony can pack in more power, and allow the investment to be recouped through long term cost cutting. Much like they did with the PS2 and PS1. It's like anyone can make a car. But the auto manufacturers have an enormous advantage in productions b/c they have the infrastructure to make the product. PEACE.