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[MVP]

Wonder what punishment he'd face if she playfully grabbed his ass, and he turned around and broke her nose.

 

[dragonelite]

Wonder what punishment he'd face if she playfully grabbed his ass, and he turned around and broke her nose.

Life in prison

 

[A.E Suggs]

In Sweden of all places, the fair nation of equality and justice:

Justice? We have justice down in the good ol U.S of A as well. We just serve our own type of justice outside of the law.

But seriously this situation doesn't seem all that equal from what I got from the story.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Noses don't break from slapping, we are talking viking women here.

Really digging how much Vikings is catching on in gaf haha.

 

[Byakuya769]

While I of course don't know what really happened, I think it's kinda weird that a court in a free country deciedes one thing and the media outlet reports the opposite.

Edit: OK, they say "serious provocation", but how come the case is dropped, yet the sexual assault is reported as a fact?

Without seeing the actual text of the entire decision, I wouldn't read too much into that portion. They may be assuming he did it arguendo or simply stating that something was provocation without attributing the touch to any particular party.

 

[Jburton]

don't grab the ass if you can't take the slap

Does that apply universally?

If a gay guy grabs a guys butt without permission, break his nose?

Girl grabs a guys ass without permission, break her nose?

 

[The Faceless Master]

ridiculous that there was even a trial.

 

[Mangotron]

Slapping someone so hard you break their nose is pretty serious. I don't know the exact details, but it seems like some kind of verbal warning would be appropriate beforehand.

Everyone would see this as just if the genders were reversed, so I don't see how it's unfair.

 

[yamo]

I've grabbed a lot of ass and had other guys take the blame. It's not really hard on a crowded dance floor!

 

[Szu]

How can she slap?

 

[Vagabundo]

ridiculous that there was even a trial.

why? She should just be thrown in jail without one?

 

[Phat Michael]

How can she slap?

damnit. beat me to it. should have been first post!

 

[Byakuya769]

This is now the "how can she slap" thread! I had forgotten about that.
How can she slap, Remix

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Does that apply universally?

If a gay guy grabs a guys but without permission, break his nose?

Girl grabs a guys ass without permission, break her nose?

Women are in a weaker position in society.

It's kinda like affirmative action, for butt grabs.

 

[dragonelite]

This is now the "how can she slap" thread! I had forgotten about that.
How can she slap, Remix

Why did she slapped him actually?

 

[harSon]

Did she slap him or punch him?

Does it honestly matter? If you sexually assault someone, then whatever happens in the heat of the moment is 100% justified. If the guy wasn't a disgusting pig then his nose would still be intact.

 

[Jburton]

Women are in a weaker position in society.

It's kinda like affirmative action, for butt grabs.

What does position in society have to do with assault?


It's either acceptable for all or acceptable for none! ............ can't discriminate based on gender, that's sexist.

 

[Apath]

I recall a thread here once where the general consensus was it was not okay to react with violence when groped.

 

[Jburton]

I recall a thread here once where the general consensus was it was not okay to react with violence when groped.

I remember that thread as well, it was also homophobic to react negatively to being groped by a guy in that thread as well.

 

[andycapps]

I recall a thread here once where the general consensus was it was not okay to react with violence when groped.

I've had women grab my butt before, and I didn't ask for it. Should I have broken their nose?

Obviously not the same thing, but I think breaking the guy's nose is a bit much for what is unfortunately a pretty common thing in clubs.

 

[Skeyser]

Does that apply universally?

If a gay guy grabs a guys butt without permission, break his nose?

Girl grabs a guys ass without permission, break her nose?

if a slap breaks his nose, too bad

 

[Yobalt]

"She instinctively turned to confront the man who grabbed her and hit him in the face so hard she broke the 27-year-old's nose."

What I heard was that she was groped and didn't do anything. Later she spotted him and went up to talk to him, he touched her shoulder and then she broke his nose.

 

[Kinyou]

I remember that thread as well, it was also homophobic to react negatively to being groped by a guy in that thread as well.

Was it the butt thumb thread?

 

[Vagabundo]

I recall a thread here once where the general consensus was it was not okay to react with violence when groped.

That depends really. If the groping is a persistent thing and someone fears for the their safety then proportional violence would be acceptable. The court found that she did not have that fear and it was probably just a reaction. Might not have been the right guy or it could have been an accidental thing.

 

[Jburton]

Was it the butt thumb thread?

Indeed.

A thread of utter nonsense it was.

 

[Jburton]

if a slap breaks his nose, too bad

Does that sentiment apply universally? ...... or should only men have their noses broke?

 

[Anton Sugar]

Noses don't break from slapping, we are talking viking women here.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

What does position in society have to do with assault?


It's either acceptable for all or acceptable for none! ............ can't discriminate based on gender, that's sexist.

That's like saying affirmative action is racist because it discriminate based on race

 

[Jburton]

That's like saying affirmative action is racist because it discriminate based on race

Of course it is.

 

[A.E Suggs]

Does that sentiment apply universally? ...... or should only men have their noses broke?

Obviously men are the only one's that should have their noses broken because we are the one's that make the laws and the rules anyway.

 

[Wazzim]

Good. She had no legitimate reason to break his damn nose over something like that.

 

[Loofy]

The investigation into the 23-year-old's sexual assault complaint was dropped, however, due to a lack of evidence.

Of course the grope should have left a visible bruise on her buttocks.

 

[Grinchy]

If you're having trouble sympathizing with the guy, turn the situation around. If some girl grabbed my junk at a club and I hit her in the face, breaking her nose, there'd be no defense force. He did something wrong, but you don't launch a nuke after you've been hit by a slingshot.

 

[Spongebob]

I'm sure she did a little more than slap him.

Things like this seem to happen quite often in the US..

 

[Devolution]

Why did this turn into a gender bias thread? I think anyone has the right to violently defend themselves if they are sexually violated.

 

[demon]

How can she slap?

 

[A.E Suggs]

Why did this turn into a gender bias thread? I think anyone has the right to violently defend themselves if they are sexually violated.

I think you've been here long enough to know that things go south like this. I guess it would have helped if OP didn't mention equality in his post.

 

[GJS]

Surely this is battery not assault, seeing as she actually hit the guy?

 

[Vagabundo]

Why did this turn into a gender bias thread? I think anyone has the right to violently defend themselves if they are sexually violated.

As revenge or in self defense?

 

[cubicle47b]

This seems pretty straight-forward. There's no evidence he sexually assaulted her but there is clear evidence she assaulted him.

There should be consequences for sexual assault but they should be legal, not physical violence. (If a person is in clear and present danger then force is warranted, obviously)

 

[cubicle47b]

As revenge or in self defense?

Well, she did say 'defend'. I read it as revenge at first, though.

 

[robertsan21]

well I agree with the court decision.

you cant hit a person and break his nose and think you will get away with it.

But that guy is an asshole

 

[Loofy]

There should be consequences for sexual assault but they should be legal, not physical violence. (If a person is in clear and present danger then force is warranted, obviously)

Depends.
Can self defense be used against a sexual assault?
Is groping considered sexual assault?

 

[cubicle47b]

Depends.
Can self defense be used against a sexual assault?
Is groping considered sexual assault?

I'd go with:
If someone gropes you and walks away and you hit them that's revenge, not defense.
If someone is groping you right now and you hit them to make them stop that's defense.

 

[jorma]

For context this is what actually went down:

He grabbed her ass, a friend of the girl pushed him away.

He left.

She ran after him, yelled some more.

He put is arm on her shoulder.

She broke his nose.

Swedish self defense laws are pretty strict, and there is no way to argue self defense here, honestly. If she had hit him at once i'm sure she would have been aquitted.

 

[Plywood]

Must have been a hard slap to break his nose.
But to sue over this as a groping male?

Or it could've been a weak nose.

 

[Vagabundo]

For context this is what actually went down:

He grabbed her ass, a friend of the girl pushed him away.

He left.

She ran after him, yelled some more.

He put is arm on her shoulder.

She broke his nose.

Swedish self defense laws are pretty strict, and there is no way to argue self defense here, honestly. If she had hit him at once i'm sure she would have been aquitted.

In most countries I think the above scenario would result in assault charges. I'm surprised that he wasn't charged considering there was a witness.

 

[Byakuya769]

For context this is what actually went down:

He grabbed her ass, a friend of the girl pushed him away.

He left.

She ran after him, yelled some more.

He put is arm on her shoulder.

She broke his nose.

Swedish self defense laws are pretty strict, and there is no way to argue self defense here, honestly. If she had hit him at once i'm sure she would have been aquitted.

Ok. She is a BAD ASS. Given your description of law there, I understand the criminal penalty, but I still can't understand why he would get damages especially after touching her shoulder.

 

[maquiladora]

Good. She had no legitimate reason to break his damn nose over something like that.

I'm sure she carefully calculated and decided to break his nose while he sexually assault her. Right?

 

[cubicle47b]

Ok. She is a BAD ASS. Given your description of law there, I understand the criminal penalty, but I still can't understand why he would get damages especially after touching her shoulder.

He got roughly $280 in damages. I initially assumed for medical bills but I'm not sure there would be any in Sweden.