The Wonder Woman and Batman pairing was always awful. Especially when Batgod is the one turning her down. Get the fuck out of here, lol. She comes from a culture that thinks men are inferior so it makes sense for her love interest to just be a normal guy (in a sense). Steve Trevor is a better love interest for Diana than Lois is to Clark.
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Wonder Woman (2017) Begins Production
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Pffffffft.
If DC had balls, they'd go ahead and make WonderCandy the one true pairing.
They'd be perfect and hilarious together. Bonus points if they go the Nu52 route and let Diana get some of that #BlackGirlMagic in her life.
Future Foundation
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And yet Clark wasn't born using eugenics. It was even said in movie: Clark was Krypton's first natural birth in forever.
But back on topic. Since Connie Nielsen's Hippolyta, it's being said that Robin Wright's role is Hippolyta's sister. The question is - which sister?
I don't know if this was asked genuinely or rhetorically, but here is my view on it. Rather than being any one thing, it's actually a couple.
1. Traditionally speaking, the arena of love has been generally where women have been holders of power. This is rooted in that a woman's primary social value was her marriage potential, so if a woman was loved by a man, she had power over that man. This was the premise of many a victorian romance novels, such as Wuthering Heights, where women only had so much power as the men who loved them.
2. The other traditional aspect is that in Superhero comics, the love interest is typically part of the fantasy of being the empowered male. I mean, what is the point of having super strength if it also doesn't get you the attention of your crush? Which it should because you're using it to save her.
While 1 can be empowering for women in a way, at first glance, it might be interpretted as a relapse into the old social structure. Hence the rejection of a love interest because a truly strong women would transcend the boundaries set by society. She wouldn't need to romantic power because she'd have physical and/or political power.
2 is much less sophisticated and not willing to look how engaging with a romantic partner can be just as fulfilling from a woman's end as a man's. I think it's partially due to the fact that a lot of stereotypical superhero romances are premised on the women being unempowered. Superpowered men come and save her from the plane crash, from other men, etc, and then she loves you. If wonder woman were to do this to steve rogers, it'd be considered emasculating (I hate this word, because it equates self competence with masculinity, which inherently implies competence is a male trait, but it's vaguely appropriate here I guess) and be met with revolt. We get so few fully fleshed out romances between men and women where they have equal agency that when asked to imagine one from a woman's perspective that doesn't disrespect the male partner, it's harder to do.
For the most part, it just means we need more well written stories with females to understand, yes, what a shock, you can have both a power fantasy and respect to the romantic relationship. Not having that would be an easy way around wrestling with what is a percieved insurmountable issue, when in actuality, a superhero romance for a woman can be just as satisfying as a superhero romance with a man...
That said, Superhero romances are rarely satisfying for me in general. The only ones I can think are subversions in some way. Rachel and Bruce from TDK because Rachel ultimately went with someone else. Granted, she got fridged, but I liked that she wasn't beholden to bruce as he went around his crusade. I also like Carter and Captain America, but again, their romance is a tragedy and short lived, and their stories are more interesting about how they deal with the loss of their relationship rather than the relationship itself. I don't know what else is good out there, unless we start bringing in comics into this.
Razgriz-Specter
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BatCat vs Bats&Zatanna vs WonderBats
(WonderBats is great but a tough sell outside of JL.)
Talia can take a damn hike.
Batman and Catwoman is the way to go. Zatanna knew him as a kid, but she's outside of his world now. And the WonderBats thing was nothing more than Timm having a fangasm.
It goes BatCat>WonderBat>Batanna>>Batle (or whoever his random non-supergirlfriend is... Vale, Silver)>Batlia
Oh and NEVER Bats and Babs!
NEVER!
Rhetorical, but thanks for the well thought out response!
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BrokenFiction
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Set pics if no one's seen them yet.
http://www.*****************/tvshow...is-Pine-tries-lend-hand-set-Wonder-Woman.html
It's the Daily Mail, so you'll have to replace that dailymail . co . uk in the URL
http://www.*****************/tvshow...is-Pine-tries-lend-hand-set-Wonder-Woman.html
It's the Daily Mail, so you'll have to replace that dailymail . co . uk in the URL
Interestingly it's a different shield than the BvS one.
QuantumZebra
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ComicBookMovie.com rehosted the images on imgur.
http://imgur.com/a/38u38
Edit: Here are a few.
I really like this one.
Future Foundation
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That shield is gorgeous.
Finaika
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Holy shit!
NipplesAndToes23
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I like these photos, I just hope the movie turns out great.
GotchaForce
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I'm guessing they're going to be doing the Thor thing of "act like an ancient warrior in modern day for lulz". Which is fine, I loved that in the first Thor movie.
BadAss2961
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I'll say this, there's a lot of money to be made in a good triangle. Just can't do it too soon.
beyond_death
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Agreed. Neither of those pairings sit right with me.
Finaika
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You mean He-Man.
Razgriz-Specter
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Its always stupid, at least with Batman it makes for an interesting dynamic for multiple reasons.
Wonder Woman is just a bad character and is what kills my hype for Batman vs Superman.
That's my issue with comic book movies. There's too many stupid characters that throw you out of any semblance of immersion into the worlds. The greatness of a character and concept like Ironman, the Hulk, and Captain America is pulled down by mystical bullshit like Thor. The greatness of a character and concept like Spiderman is pulled down by stupid villains. And Batman and Superman are pulled down by this shit.
That's my issue with comic book movies. There's too many stupid characters that throw you out of any semblance of immersion into the worlds. The greatness of a character and concept like Ironman, the Hulk, and Captain America is pulled down by mystical bullshit like Thor. The greatness of a character and concept like Spiderman is pulled down by stupid villains. And Batman and Superman are pulled down by this shit.
So not a fan of magic, I take it?
I am when it makes sense to the content and it's all encompassing to the world or story. I love the concept of magic in a series like Harry Potter. But this clash of styles that superhero movies brings is the issue I have.
I don't mind it. When utilized correctly the variety can lead to interesting imagery. Though I wouldn't argue if you were to say that has not been the case very often.
More_Badass
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1) Thor isnt even mystical in the MCU. Asgardians are aliens.
2) How does a man turning into a massive green monster with limitless strength not break your immersion of the world? Hulk is as unrealistic as Thor when compared to Iron Man and Cap
It's the mixture that's the issue.
Since it's the most recognizable movie / books about magic. Let's take Harry Potter.
Imagine you introduced aliens and lasers to Harry Potter. That's exactly what these Marvel and DC movies are doing. Totally takes out the immersion you had in the world, setting, and characters.
Razgriz-Specter
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For Harry Potter yes, but most Superhero media is open to that stuff from the start.
In Batman you have stuff like Ivy, Clayface, Croc(depending on the version) and freaking Ra's al Ghul so stuff like Zatanna or Wonder Woman isn't that ridiculous.
I love Faora but please don't denigrate Boba Fett. This is a dude who:
-When we are first introduced to is being told to go lightly be Darth fucking Vader.
-Easily tracks Han Solo when the entire Imperial Fleet was fooled by his shenanigans.
-Talked shit back to Vader.
-Captured Han Solo frozen in Carbonite.
-Ambushed and fended off Luke as well as the rest of his crew and got away scott free.
Dude earned his status as a badass before ROTJ came out.
Killer Queen
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Nah. He's still a bitch. All he really did was stand around.
Yeah Nolan and Burton spoiled me.
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Except they make it work. In DC, pretty much every kind of superpower, whether it be some form of magic, or stuff like the Flash's speed and the Green Lanterns' power rings, is derived from a multiversal power source. Or it's genetic or technological. It all ends up being interconnected. Marvel is the same way, in that in the MCU Asgardians and their ilk are just space aliens (just like anyone introduced in Guardians of the Galaxy). So, either you're not paying attention or you just don't care.
Either way, you're immediately dismissing an idea because it's different, despite the fact that it can be and has been integrated properly. Harry Potter introducing aliens and lasers wrecks it because that's not the focal point of that franchise. Marvel and DC are focused on universes that have all kinds of weird bullshit of varying types. It's not even a proper comparison you're making.
First of all, that sounds awesome.
Second, you're not really explaining the problem. How do those things actually subtract from more grounded heroes like the very realistic and grounded Hulk. And shouldn't it work in reverse just as easily? Should Thor be made lesser by the presence of bullshit technology from Stark? And this all ignores the fact that in the MCU, Thor's shit is basically superscience rather than actual magic and they bring a lot of attention to this in the film itself (to it's detriment).
Lastly, your analogy is faulty because Harry Potter is an established world of pure magic where things like aliens and lasers would indeed be more difficult to transition into. The Marvel MCU on the other hand is a superhero land, which are well known for combining anachronistic genre building blocks for 'awesome'. And indeed, a series that combines those things from the onset in an organic way would work brilliantly. And it has. Go read Saga by Brian K. Vaughan, it'll be good for you.
So for me, you have a very strange opinion.
TheKaeptain
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Tabris Magic is the best part of both Comic Universes.
Razgriz-Specter
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Have you watched Arrow?
I thought the way they handled it was really well done.
Started out with Batman Begins but slowly we got to the point where a supersoldier serum was believable, then Flash was worked in now we have stuff like Damian Dhark, Constantine, Vandal Savage.
It never really felt like a crazy jump or out of place.( now if they connect Supergirl and suddenly Superman exists in that universe it will be really weird.)
Most of Greek Mythology
I don't know much about what she's been given post-reboot, but usually she has superpowers that were given to her by the Greek gods; their magic for her is more of an origin story for her physical powers, as opposed to her casting spells or anything.
Her weapons and equipment tend to be enchanted, as well. Most notably, her bracelets are made from the Aegis and are generally used to block attacks and bullets, and she has a magic lasso that is basically indestructible and forces whoever is bound by it to tell the truth.
Ya'll are crazy especially Veelk, you basically just went through everything "badass" and extremely competent he did and went "nah, that was all dumb easy stuff that he probably didn't intend." Boba Fett was a badass with remarkable presence, he doesn't have to do DBZ shit to be certified as a effective villain. Again, that's the whole reason Vader and Palpatine are effective in the OT as opposed to the prequels. Anakin and Palpatine do impossibly remarkable things in the prequels they never did in the prequels and yet they feel less threatening and menacing than they did in the OT.
I'm not saying that Faora wasn't cool but I won't sit here and have people call Boba Fett a chump despite all the cool things he did in Empire which had everyone watching the film hyped for his final confrontation in ROTJ. His accidental death in ROTJ was an intentional robbing of a sort of epic duel the audience imagined in their heads, instead he's taken down by Han Solo who doesn't even realize what he is/has done. I've never found the way he "died" cheapened his effectiveness in any way.
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