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Wonder Woman (DCCU) Review Thread (RT 93%)

Blue Lou said:
Important question: Who would win a battle to the death, Wonder Woman or God of War's Kratos?
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I'm gonna give this to Kratos because the dude is merciless. He did lieterally wiped out his own mythology XD
Which was kinda funny since
something similar happens
in the film.

Now if we are talking about OG God of War with just the blades of chaos. Wonder Woman all the way.
 
LotusHD said:
Not every hero needs an origin film, but I just feel that Justice League is basically trying to be the next Avengers, but wants to take shortcuts to get there. Which isn't inherently bad, as it can be done, but up until Wonder Woman, we're seeing that it's a lot harder than it looks.

It's just kind of this weird situation in where I believe they would've been much better off more or less copying how Marvel did it, but at the same time I do acknowledge that people do seem to be getting tired of origin movies.
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After seeing how good WW was, I'd be happy with more Origin stories for DC characters. Not to ape Marvel, more because WW is just plain great and actually unique rather than "oh, it's a spy thriller."
 
Just saw the movie in the theater. Loved it and this just shows you that a good and interesting cast and a GOOD director are so important. There's very little i didn't like about the movie.

I like how Diana reacted to our world, those scenes were very nice but overall just really well made. After TDK trilogy finally a good DC movie again. Can someone stop Zack Snyder for future DC movies and get some actual good for those movies?
 
Saw this yesterday... yeah, I'd consider it mediocre at best. Like Doctor Strange I look at the RT score and I just don't get it. This movie fits right in with most of the MCU.

The movie has some high points for sure,
like Diana leading the charge into the village
was an epic sequence. Some of the humor was on point too
(men are ultimately unnecessary
. Characters out of their time sequences are always great too.

I guess what bugged me the most about the film was how inconsistent it was with it's delivery of... whatever the hell it was trying to convey. Certain things are handled in subtle ways like
Diana slowly building up her powers
. Nobody acknowledges this stuff and often you just get a reaction shot from Diana. But then with other things, characters are literally introduced to spout expository dialogue to Diana. Don't even get me started in the love story in this movie. It felt beyond unnecessary.

Also, someone please tell me where I missed the foreshadowing for
Ares
. The entire last sequence was just stuff happening. The action was completely incoherent.
 
Varna said:
Saw this yesterday... yeah, I'd consider it mediocre at best. Like Doctor Strange I look at the RT score and I just don't get it. This movie fits right in with most of the MCU.
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Don't look at the RT score, look at the average rating.
Doctor Strange 7.3/10
Logan 7.9/10
Guardians 2 7.1/10
Wonder Woman 7.5/10

These are the true scores of the films and they are actually pretty on point.

If you need a better a example...
Batman V Superman 4.9/10
Man of Steel 6.2/10

Superman (1978) 8/10
The Dark Knight 8.6/10
 
Varna said:
. Don't even get me started in the love story in this movie. It felt beyond unnecessary.

Also, someone please tell me where I missed the foreshadowing for
Ares
. The entire last sequence was just stuff happening. The action was completely incoherent.
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1. The love story was completely necessary for Diana to take the path that she did. You can argue all day long that it could have been done another way, but this way was just as effective as any other. Godot and Pine had chemistry and it worked.

2. The last sequence was not just stuff happening. It was
Ares trying to convince Diana to come to 'his side' and help him to destroy mankind. The constant back and forth was a dialogue of Ares trying to achieve this. He nearly succeeded as he had Diana so angry that she seriously considered killing Dr Poison. As she reflected on the sacrifice of Steve, and what it meant about mankind, she realized she was about to make a huge mistake and her original mission to destroy the God of War was what she needed to do.
 
Shaanyboi said:
The central element which defines her turning point is unnecessary?
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Calling it a love story is a huge stretch. It's literally like three lines in the end of the movie that retroactively change the nature of their relationship. Diana shows like zero interest outside of initial curiosity. After the
dance scene
she shows literally zero emotion about it.
The turning point was about understanding "mankind"
and for me the love story took away from that.

TheTylerDurden said:
2. The last sequence was not just stuff happening. It was
Ares trying to convince Diana to come to 'his side' and help him to destroy mankind. The constant back and forth was a dialogue of Ares trying to achieve this. He nearly succeeded as he had Diana so angry that she seriously considered killing Dr Poison. As she reflected on the sacrifice of Steve, and what it meant about mankind, she realized she was about to make a huge mistake and her original mission to destroy the God of War was what she needed to do.
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I get all of that. The action just felt very poorly directed in that portion of the film. It's just another case of the "big dumb action sequence" all these damn superhero movies have to have. I'm more curious if I missed a clue to who
Ares
was.
 
Varna said:
Calling it a love story is a huge stretch. It's literally like three lines in the end of the movie that retroactively change the nature of their relationship. Diana shows like zero interest outside of initial curiosity. After the
dance scene
she shows literally zero emotion about it.
The turning point was about understanding "mankind"
and for me the love story took away from that.
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Because there's immediately more pressing shit going on? Like... she doesn't get a whole lot of time to look at Steve starry-eyed after
their sex scene.

And Steve's
expression of love to her is what convinces her Ares is wrong.
 
Shaanyboi said:
Because there's immediately more pressing shit going on? Like... she doesn't get a whole lot of time to look at Steve starry-eyed after
their sex scene.

And Steve's
expression of love to her is what convinces her Ares is wrong.
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Like I said, the film can't decide if it's going to be subtle or heavy handed with it's story or character moments.

The bolded just makes the movie worse for me. Definitely takes away from her character.
Seeing someone die for their ideals
should have been the only thing that mattered.
 
IconGrist said:
The RT score is an aggregate. If one movie gets 10 6/10 review scores the RT will say 100% Fresh. But the movie's average score is only 6/10.
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Interesting.


If someone likes a movie and gives it a score, mixed in with all the other scores it doesn't really tell me much except that all these numbers averaged out gives me an average score. We're very used to this whole 'math rules' kind of thing, which is fine I guess. It still doesn't give me a clear picture about how many people would recommend the movie, unless the score is drastically on the high or low side.

What I like about RT is that the score gives you a fairly prevailing idea about whether people would recommend you go see it or not. A 90 percent fresh score to me, means that 9 out of 10 people recommend seeing this film. It's somewhat more of a definitive thing than a number. It's simple and straightforward.

The written reviews add the necessary colour commentary to back up these scores.
 
Varna said:
I get all of that. The action just felt very poorly directed in that portion of the film. It's just another case of the "big dumb action sequence" all these damn superhero movies have to have. I'm more curious if I missed a clue to who
Ares
was.
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You can't say that you "get all of that" and then go on to say that it was a "big dumb action sequence". It was a big set piece yes, but it was a whole lot more than a pointless slugfest.

You didn't miss any clues regarding
Ares. The misdirection was intentional. There were a couple of moments in the movie where you could look back and see that he was making moves and giving directions that Ares would approve of, but it was not obvious in the moments where these things were done and said. I certainly didn't see it coming.
 
Varna said:
Calling it a love story is a huge stretch. It's literally like three lines in the end of the movie that retroactively change the nature of their relationship. Diana shows like zero interest outside of initial curiosity. After the
dance scene
she shows literally zero emotion about it.
The turning point was about understanding "mankind"
and for me the love story took away from that.
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Steve is in love with Diana. Diana may or may not be in love with him, and it's not her love for him that makes up her mind, it's his willingness to sacrifice himself. The fact that he confesses his love isn't what changes her mind, it's that he's about to kill himself and he wants her to know that before he does.

It's not a love story.

I see this pointed missed by a lot of people because the standard movie trope is a mutual level of interest. This relationship is not symmetrical like most movie relationships.
 
I just saw this a couple of days ago. I have to say it was fantastic minor quibbles about the third act aside. Gadot was great and had electric chemistry with Pine. The no man's land scene was riveting. After really disliking all DC's previous films I'm glad this was so good. Still don't have much faith in JL though.
 
MosquitoSmasher said:
Just saw the movie in the theater. Loved it and this just shows you that a good and interesting cast and a GOOD director are so important. There's very little i didn't like about the movie.

I like how Diana reacted to our world, those scenes were very nice but overall just really well made. After TDK trilogy finally a good DC movie again. Can someone stop Zack Snyder for future DC movies and get some actual good for those movies?
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You know he has a pretty big hand in this movie also?
 
Seen it twice now and loved it each time. The thing that really stands out is the chemistry between Gadot and Pine. I don't think it could get any better I really hope the sequel doesn't shit the bed.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Story credit and producer is very different from writer and director. I think Snyder would be a great cinematographer, but I'm not sure I'll ever see another film he directs.
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Right? One viewing and you can tell he had very, very little to do with the film. There's nothing about it that really shows his markings.
 
TyrantII said:
Right? One viewing and you can tell he had very, very little to do with the film. There's nothing about it that really shows his markings.
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Just people trying to give credit where it isn't really due.

Had WW turned out bad, Snyder fans would instead be trying to distance him from it, while Snyder haters would have put the blame on him.
 
If you're going to give Synder his due, give it to him for choosing to cast Gadot as she's a big reason why the film works.

And sure, some argue they could have gotten this or that actress to play the role and it would have worked out. But Old Grammy ReiGun used to tell me there ain't no use worrying about what could or would have happened. Bottom line is they got this actress to portray this character in this film, and it's paying dividends right now. And that's because of your mans Zack.
 
Saw this the other day and thought it was pretty boring. The opening on the island was great but as soon as they left it took a huge decline.
 
ReiGun said:
If you're going to give Synder his due, give it to him for choosing to cast Gadot as she's a big reason why the film works.

And sure, some argue they could have gotten this or that actress to play the role and it would have worked out. But Old Grammy ReiGun used to tell me there ain't no use worrying about what could or would have happened. Bottom line is they got this actress to portray this character in this film, and it's paying dividends right now. And that's because of your mans Zack.
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This.

Gadot owns the role now. It was excellent casting. Especially when you consider that her previous work made her not at all a 'safe' choice.
 
GhaleonEB said:
Story credit and producer is very different from writer and director. I think Snyder would be a great cinematographer, but I'm not sure I'll ever see another film he directs.
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You greatly underestimate the role and impact of a good producer. And it's as much Deborah Snyder as Zack who helped Patty Jenkins make her movie.
 
ReiGun said:
If you're going to give Synder his due, give it to him for choosing to cast Gadot as she's a big reason why the film works.

And sure, some argue they could have gotten this or that actress to play the role and it would have worked out. But Old Grammy ReiGun used to tell me there ain't no use worrying about what could or would have happened. Bottom line is they got this actress to portray this character in this film, and it's paying dividends right now. And that's because of your mans Zack.
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I agree. But Jenkins also deserves her due. She directed Charlize Theron to an Oscar.

And she brought something wonderful out of Gal Gadot that even Gadot probably didn't know she had. Hell Chris Pine had one of his best preformances as well.

Girl knows how to elevate.
 
TyrantII said:
I agree. But Jenkins also deserves her due. She directed Charlize Theron to an Oscar.

And she brought something wonderful out of Gal Gadot that even Gadot probably didn't know she had. Hell Chris Pine had one of his best preformances as well.

Girl knows how to elevate.
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I don't think one stands in the way of the other. Jenkins obviously gets the lion's share of the praise because she, ya know, made the film. But it also doesn't hurt to give props to the guy that cast the lead actress to whom the film owes much of its success.

Or rather, it doesn't hurt unless you're a person really dedicated to the idea of Synder as some blight on cinema that's never done anything good for movies ever. Which some folk definitely are. Me? I think that's...a bit much.
 
So I went to spend my last gift movie ticket before it expired and saw this. I gotta say, I'm a little disappointed. I want to like it, but it might be one of my least favourite DCCU movies. Obviously the fact that it's performing well in the box office is awesome due to it's larger implications, but just on it's own merits as a movie I didn't really dig it nearly as much as I thought I would. I found it pretty boring overall and formulaic in parts. That last one is a critique that applies to almost all of these movies though. In the end, the biggest problem for me is that I didn't find it that entertaining.
 
This movie had a really good opening. I enjoyed
this movie is connecting to BvS right away, and the photo was a great way to start a movie about the past.
 
broncobuster said:
You greatly underestimate the role and impact of a good producer. And it's as much Deborah Snyder as Zack who helped Patty Jenkins make her movie.
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I understand their role, but I also understand the role a script and a director play. I think Zach Snyder is an awful director, and WW was very well directed. I don't know to what extent he was involved in the production, but he has a story credit, which was also well done.

Snyder is due no small amount of credit for helping with WW, and a lot of credit for the brilliant casting of Godot. But I won't be watching a movie he directs any time soon.
 
I always think that it's dumb trying to reverse engineer who did what. Directors and/or are usually the ones who are at the top, giving direction as that's their job. However, they have innumerable underlings who specialize in all sorts of jobs. Like Snyder hiring Gadot. He had final say, sure, but what about the hiring manager that brought her in for the role, or maybe recommended her to Snyder above others?

Making movies is such a complicated, human dependent endeavor that beyond giving people credit for whatever their job was in the credits, it just feels like baseless speculation to me.
 
Watched it finally the other day, was actually disappointed. I mean its not a bad movie, its actually pretty good, just not as great as everyone is making it out to be, for me anyway.
 
il Diavolo said:
Dr Poison and Ludendorff sharing a bit of gallows humor and laughing maniacally was the highlight of the film.
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Loved that part.

I just watched it. It's the best DCCU movie no doubt. I still don't care for Gadot's delivery and I think they could've found a better actress for it. Don't get me wrong she was pretty good, I just want better.

I liked Jenkins directing for the most part, I was hoping more out of the No Mans land scene honestly. I really thought that was going to be stand up and applaud moment. Kinda fell flat to me.

I'll give it another watch though.
 
Was there an after credit scene?

Whatever your opinions on Gal as an actress, my god is she gorgeous. Like out of this world pretty.
 
Finally saw this today. Pretty decent. A good 7.5 to 8 out of 10 for me. On the upper end of comic book films, I would say, which I don't typically enjoy too much.

Gal Gadot was mostly decent acting and consistently great in action. She was distractingly beautiful, though. Sometimes, it was difficult to watch because she is really, really, ridiculously good looking.

The score was really good, and the first time I heard the Wonder Woman theme, I got goosebumps. It was a great moment. That battle in the trenches was fantastic, too.
 
Varna said:
Like I said, the film can't decide if it's going to be subtle or heavy handed with it's story or character moments.

The bolded just makes the movie worse for me. Definitely takes away from her character.
Seeing someone die for their ideals
should have been the only thing that mattered.
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People kill for their ideals.
That on its own would miss the point.

The point is that
Steve, a self-admittedly flawed human being, is still capable of love, and that his love for her and for the world could allow him to act selflessly to protect it.
 
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