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[flsh]

wait... if star wars isn't that good, what's good to you? I can't even imagine what falls under great.

It's not that I hate Star Wars (Well, I do episodes 1-3), but they aren't great. I enjoy them for what they are, which is possible even if they aren't masterpieces. There's a lot of stupid things in those movies and overall, I never finished a Star Wars movie and was completely blown away other than the first time I saw 4-6 when I was a kid. Though that was also the first time I saw sci fi and those movies are incredibly cool for a kid. Today they mostly hold nostalgic emotions for me, not appreciation.
Oh and off the bat, the movie in my avatar (Life of Brian), Goodfellas and in a different way, but not inferior to these two, Terminator 1 and 2. There's more but those were the first that came to mind.

 

[Puddles]

You my friend have missed the point.

I understand why it was done like that, but I still think it would have been stronger with Llewellyn dying in a more climactic confrontation. It was a great film in spite of that plot twist, but it could have been an all-time masterpiece.


I'll also nominate Aliens.

It's one of my favorites of all time, and I think it's a great, great film, but it could have been objectively an absolute masterpiece if only the debriefing scene on the spaceship wasn't so cringe-inducing.

Just about every time Gorman opens his mouth, I want to mute the film, and a true all-time masterpiece can't have moments like that.


Terminator 2 suffers a similar fate because of a lot of the John Connor scenes, but I don't think T2's peak potential was as high as Aliens' was.

 

[Salsa]

Oh no! Sorry mate. I thought

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his recurring character-dom was universally known!

All good. I must be the only person in this forum that didnt really knew.

Wall-E was awesome, except for the live-action human characters, specially when you show cgi humans after.

 

[Rewrite]

Regarding Apollo Justice, just take away Apollo and make a better protagonist. Apollo is not interesting nor did he do much in the trials. It was annoying having Gavin explain everything every single time.

 

[Jex]

One problem with Episode 1? It doesn't matter what story elements remain if you still have the same painful director behind the scenes.

Also, most ongoing long-run shows don't want to finish while it still makes money so, I'd say they are doing just fine.

 

[Dr.Acula]

Weeeeeaaaaaaak.

 

[Kyoufu]

No, it was fine till

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till he took the first slash. I love the speech he was giving leading up to it

FOR SEVEN YEARS I SPOKE TO GOD

 

[Salsa]

Weeeeeaaaaaaak.

shut up

 

[Evander]

Also, most ongoing long-run shows don't want to finish while it still makes money so, I'd say they are doing just fine.

Turning a profit =/= having a great story.

 

[Plumbob]

how is someone with menopause going to have kids?

They don't?

 

[Puddles]

Also, there is no "tiny step" needed for Empire Strikes Back. That's a great film, full stop.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

I understand why it was done like that, but I still think it would have been stronger with Llewellyn dying in a more climactic confrontation. It was a great film in spite of that plot twist, but it could have been an all-time masterpiece.

that would've made it the same as every action movie made in the past 30 years. boring.
some things can be different and still be good.

 

[Puddles]

that would've made it the same as every action movie made in the past 30 years except way, way better.

Fixed.

If the film hadn't succeeded so amazingly well as an action/suspense film for 90 minutes, I wouldn't give a fuck. But after the insanely good buildup, I felt like the audience basically got Rick-rolled with that final act.

It's kinda like if you replaced the guitar solo/climax of Stairway to Heaven with two minutes of dj scratches, rain noises and studio knob-fiddling just to make it more proggy.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Fixed.

If the film hadn't succeeded so amazingly well as an action/suspense film for 90 minutes, I wouldn't give a fuck. But after the insanely good buildup, I felt like the audience basically got Rick-rolled with that final act.

It's kinda like if you replaced the guitar solo/climax of Stairway to Heaven with two minutes of dj scratches, rain noises and studio knob-fiddling just to make it more proggy.

So basically you wanted to see Llewelyn get tipped off by Sheriff Bell and then the two of them pull out their guns and go back to back killing mexicans left and right and from off the top of the hotel like some kind of fucking spaghetti western and then the climax, just as the last of the mexicans are killed and Bell turns to Llewelyn to tell him something real important Bell gets shot in the back by Anton smiling from behind him as Bell falls dead to the ground. Then it's just Llewelyn and Anton eye to eye, they exchange some terse action flicky words and then they go all John Woo shooting while jumping all over the goddamn place and just when Llewelyn gets shot you think all hope is lost and our hero isn't going to make it, he finds some small detail that Anton has overlooked, like he's standing right underneath a hanging piano or someshit, Llewelyn delievers the death quip and fires his very last bullet to spring the trap and Anton is met with a gruesome death which he totally deserves for killing Tommy Lee Jones. Our hero picks up his bag of cash and walks off into the sunset.

Yeah, you didn't get this film at all.

 

[IrrelevantNotch]

I am Legend (book) would've been great if the main character just committed suicide after his dog died. His transformation after that moment is heinous in its unbelievability. Even worse is the ironic message shoehorned in by author during the last chapter.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Final Fantasy X - Throw out all characters except Auron, Jecht and Lulu. Make the game about Jecht and Auron shagging Lulu (and each other) for ~30 hours. Game of the forever.

 

[Spire]

RotJ - Ewoks.

Indian Jones and the Last Crusade - Get rid of the River Phoenix sequence. Or keep it and just remove all the shit where Indy acquires every quirk and character element he has in the span of 10 minutes. Indy gets his whip, his hat, his jacket, his scar, and his fear of snakes all in one scene. It's fucking outlandish and stupid and it drives me up the wall. Outside of how outrageously unlikely this is, none of these things even need to be explained. That scene is a precursor to the midi-chlorians fiasco.

Temple of Doom - Staying on the Lucas hate train, I HATE Kate Capshaw in this film. The movie has problems outside of her, but it would be a thousand times better if it didn't have her constantly screaming, being insufferably helpless and shrill, and making awful jokes like "I broke a nail!". I can't watch that movie because of her.

Batman Begins - Lose the one-liners and the bizarre evaporation machine, also make Ra's henchmen look less comic bookish.

 

[Puddles]

So basically you wanted to see Llewelyn get tipped off by Sheriff Bell and then the two of them pull out their guns and go back to back killing mexicans left and right and from off the top of the hotel like some kind of fucking spaghetti western and then the climax, just as the last of the mexicans are killed and Bell turns to Llewelyn to tell him something real important Bell gets shot in the back by Anton smiling from behind him as Bell falls dead to the ground. Then it's just Llewelyn and Anton eye to eye, they exchange some terse action flicky words and then they go all John Woo shooting while jumping all over the goddamn place and just when Llewelyn gets shot you think all hope is lost and our hero isn't going to make it, he finds some small detail that Anton has overlooked, like he's standing right underneath a hanging piano or someshit, Llewelyn delievers the death quip and fires his very last bullet to spring the trap and Anton is met with a gruesome death which he totally deserves for killing Tommy Lee Jones. Our hero picks up his bag of cash and walks off into the sunset.

Not exactly like that. Just something better than what we actually got.

 

[bjork]

Final Fantasy X - Throw out all characters except Auron, Jecht and Lulu. Make the game about Jecht and Auron shagging Lulu (and each other) for ~30 hours. Game of the forever.

Hell yeah. I never even played it, but I know if I was Auron I'd be sticking my wang inbetween the crisscrossed belts on Lulu's dress and stuff.

 

[InnerFu]

Weeeeeaaaaaaak.

I always thought it would've been better if the narrator didn't actually physically shoot himself but rather fully committed from a mental standpoint to killing himself and thus actually ended himself as Tyler Durden takes over.

The whole movie up to that point revolves around all these cool concepts of shadows, animus/anima, and a bunch of depressing Nihlistic values but then the end just feels like a cheap cop-out. The problem I guess though is when you have a movie that complex its always going to be hard to end it in a fashion that lives up to the rest of the movie.