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[zoku88]

Games > hardware specs

So no.

Games are influenced by things.

I mean, were games not influenced by DS's touchscreen?


Anyway, I would say no. Didn't DS basically become popular because of games like Brain Age and Nintendogs?


To the OP: I wouldn't say the 3DS is succeeding because of the DS. It is succeeding because of it's price drop and influx of games that people actually want to play. Wasn't it performing basically the same as when the DS launched?

 

[gabbre]

PSP needed three analogs and a second d-pad. No seriously, PSP needed a decent analog. BTW Nintendo DS did better because of the better software and the casual gamers.

 

[crazy monkey]

DS had better games over all. It was more affordable. It was very well targeted. It had some innovation.

 

[Chopper]

Really? That's a serious question?

The DS is our

Spoiler

my

lord and saviour.

 

[fabricated backlash]

If PSP had no CFW, and a touch screen it would of done much better

I'd say the sales of the PSP without CFW would've been much worse.

 

[Eusis]

Also: I've always felt that the closer a handheld is to a console the less it stands out or at least the less interesting it is. The Game Boy was really close to the NES as I recall, and while that was successful I felt it was more interesting in the second half of its life which was also when the SNES dominated instead, and afterwards the GBA/DS were vastly underpowered compared to relevant consoles while the DS and 3DS have unique gimmicks (touch and 3D) AND the 3DS will be vastly underpowered compared to the Wii U, even if it probably won't stick out like the DS compared to the Wii.

Meanwhile the PSP was practically a miniature PS2, and the Vita's similar to the PS3, though that at least has unique features... that have been a mainstay for tablets/smartphones for awhile now, aside from the back pad stuff that's probably going to be in a similar position as the Sixaxis was for the PS3.

I'd say the sales of the PSP without CFW would've been much worse.

Software would've probably either risen some or stayed stagnant, and that may be more important than high hardware sales. Would it matter if a system never sold more than 5 million if somehow games reliably sold to 100% or near enough of the users?

 

[test_account]

...I need to go ly dow

I undestood what you ment. It was more of a "joke" arguement (hence the smiley face) that the question you said didnt mention anything about who it won over, while the question in the OP does. It is pretty obvious for people on this forum that your question is referring to winning over the DS even if it isnt mentioned, but the question in the OP just specifically mention it that the PSP would be winning over the DS. But i mentioned, i think both questions would work just fine =)

 

[Freezie KO]

How is the PSP having a second analogue going to decrease demand for games like New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart, Nintendogs, and Brain Age?

 

[BigDug13]

To those saying Vita losing to 3DS proves that this is a non-question, I believe the market is much different now than it was when DS and PSP first launched. 3DS success is largely a result of DS success.

3DS can be purchased as a REPLACEMENT for the DS as you can play your entire DS library on it.

PSV can't do that because they didn't include a UMD drive and people who paid for UMD's once really don't want to rebuy those games again. So PSP owners are for the most part happy to keep gaming on PSP.

 

[SirIgbyCeaser]

The DS existed before the Iphone.
Touch controls started with DS.

 

[nincompoop]

How is the PSP having a second analogue going to decrease demand for games like New Super Mario Bros, Mario Kart, Nintendogs, and Brain Age?

Once people experience the magic of DUEL ANAOLOGUE CONTROLS, it becomes impossible for them to play games any other way.

 

[TouchMyBox]

I think if the Vita came out against the DS, the vita would have won.

 

[Deleted member 74300]

Considering the "analog stick" it had already sucked.

No.

Spoiler

Maybe if they were more like the Neogeo pocket one then yes.

 

[Vane_MagicCity]

I play the PSP more than the DS or the 3DS but I hate the analog nub on it.

 

[test_account]

The DS existed before the Iphone.
Touch controls started with DS.

Game.com had touch screen, and that was released in 1997. A lot of PDAs also had games on them, released years before the DS. The DS was however the first dedicated gaming device that really brought touch screen gaming to the masses.

 

[RyougaSaotome]

I played my PSP significantly more than my DS, but I don't think a second stick would have helped it at the time.

Controls were certainly one of them, but there were other hurdles that Sony had to overcome.

 

[Freezie KO]

Game.com had touch screen, and that was released in 1997.

Would Game.com have won if it had dual analog?

 

[To Far Away Times]

Gaming #101 - Software sells hardware

Welp, wrap it up. We're done here.

 

[Cosmo Clock 21]

If PSP had no CFW, and a touch screen it would of done much better

Can't really claim this and simultaneously ignore the effect flashcarts had on DS software sales.

 

[bernardobri]

Sony never properly carved the PSP on the same audience than Nintendo when Iwata started to push games like Brain Age and Nintendogs, so I don't think so.

 

[TriGen]

No, its all about software.

Yep, people buy hardware for the software it plays. It was proven that people preffered the DS software, and a second stick for the PSP wouldn't have changed that.

 

[MetatronM]

Mario Kart apparently just needs a dpad

Apparently? Mario Kart began on a system with only a dpad in the first place!

 

[Brofist]

I think the better question is what if the PSP had a touch screen. Wouldn't have changed the outcome though.

 

[Gospel]

PSP would have crushed DS if it had two sticks.

I know for a fact that me and all my friends and my friend's friends would have bought a PSP instead of a DS if it had a second sctick, i bet my life on it

 

[IsntChrisL]

Really?

"What should I get? Well, there's the DS, that's got lots of good games... and then there's the PSP with- oh wait, wtf? Just one analogue stick? Bullshit. I'll take the DS with the D-Pad and no analogue thank you very much. Two analogues or die. Get money and fuck bitches."

 

[test_account]

Would Game.com have won if it had dual analog?

Hehe, maybe

Spoiler

Dual Analog was actually first released in 1997, same year as the Game.com. But the hardware of Game.com was too weak for 3D gaming anyway.

 

[Zee-Row]

The PSP probably would of had a better chance had it not been hacked open so early.

 

[Coolwhip]

"But mommy the PSP has 2 analogue sticks...."

Nope. Don't think any kid ever would say that. They wanted a DS for Nintendogs, Mario, Pokemon etc.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

The DS existed before the Iphone.
Touch controls started with DS.

I used my DS more than my PSP because of touch screen games... and battery life.

 

[Zee-Row]

The whole console style games on the PSP idea would of been a lot better had it had 2 analogs. They also should of started with digital versions of PSP games early in its life also.

 

[JayD-1K]

No

 

[P90]

Second analog sticks are way over-rated, especially the Vita's. I hope the revision has sticks with grip and more resistance.

To answer the OP, if the PSP had a second analog would have not changed the results one iota.

 

[Magnus]

DS didn't win?

This. Question has a problem built into it.

 

[Cipherr]

Simple question... or is it?

EDIT: To those saying Vita losing to 3DS proves that this is a non-question, I believe the market is much different now than it was when DS and PSP first launched. 3DS success is largely a result of DS success.

Its slow and terrible start says you are wrong. Its games. Its always games, its never not been games, never.

 

[Valnen]

PSP already had better games (imo), 2nd stick would have just made it a landslide for me.

 

[impact]

This. Question has a problem built into it.

Apparently your reading comprehension has a problem built into it.

 

[Magnus]

Was the intended question "Did the DS win because the PSP didn't have a second stick?"

 

[soxinthebox]

In the handheld arena the pattern seems to be the less thumbsticks, the more success.

 

[Tuck]

It has nothing to do with the analog stick. DS was cheaper and had more games.

 

[Magnus]

Apparently your reading comprehension has a problem built into it.

I just understood, got it. Would have helped if it were phrased like, "Would the DS still have won..."

 

[Conor 419]

This thread symbolises why i love GAF, we know how to analyse.

 

[Vane_MagicCity]

Apparently? Mario Kart began on a system with only a dpad in the first place!

The SNES Mario Kart was a 2D game. Mario Kart 64 had an analog stick.

It has nothing to do with the analog stick. DS was cheaper and had more games.

Today, I have more games for the PSP than for the DS. Most are PS1 games but then alot of my DS games are ports/remakes of SNES games.

 

[Conrad Link]

I think the real question is wouldn't the DS have not won if the PSP didn't have only the one analog stick?????