Are there any statistics of gun-owners in war-torn/revolutionary countries having a better chance of survival?
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Would increased gun regulation have prevented Connecticut?
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Even if you had guns you couldn't fight a revolution against your government; the American population has no chance against their bloated, technologically advanced army. Legal weapons can't protect you from a drone strike.
Devolution
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This is the issue. Every time we have a discussion on limiting the availability of guns, pro-gun types will shout to the heavens about how we're taking all of your guns away, 2nd amendment, not from my cold, dead hands,etc. Thus we can't even gain any ground when it comes to person to person sales, stricter background checks and mental health evaluations despite how much good they would do. Fuck.
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Vilix
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The way I'm interpreting his point is that both people had severe mental health issues. China has regulated gun ownership by banning all private gun ownership. At least I think so Part of regulating ownership here would be in-depth mental screening.
Amibguous Cad
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I think our recent adventures in the middle east shows you can do quite a lot against modern militaries with small arms and explosives.
Anticitizen One
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LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
You know, I would hope that people against banning guns legitimately think that things would get worse, without a doubt.
Because if they think things will, at best, stay the same, then we actually have people willing to let other people die so they can have their guns.
Because if they think things will, at best, stay the same, then we actually have people willing to let other people die so they can have their guns.
thezerofire
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Nope, should I?
90TilInfinity
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For what it's worth I found your post interesting and have kept this tab open since then hoping to see a response. I think people only want to respond to the controversial and extreme comments rather than genuinely logical solutions.
I'd like to think gun owners in the US would be willing to jump through a few extra hoops for a gun to be sure that another crazy person doesn't get their hands on one.
Devolution
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You shouldn't I was just making fun of that post apocalyptic movie.
That's an insurgency against an occupying force. You're not going to squelch the Yankee with guerrilla tactics and make them go home in the event of a new American Revolution, because this *is* home.
It's pretty clear what side the moderators are on here, so not worth the effort or risk of banning. But I must say that the anti-gun people are just walking into a trap when they can't even get basic gun terminology right, don't understand the current laws on ownership, and openly mock amendments in the Constitution. Good luck with that once the immediate outrage dies down.
(And no, I don't own any guns if that matters.)
I would feel a heck of a lot better if my son was in a classroom with a knife weilding lunatic than a loaded gun weilding lunatic.
People will kill, but I dunno where you're from, where I'm from the most popular choice is the handgun, young gangsters arent really trying to go thru much more trouble than that. Guns are pretty convenient.
The Technomancer
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It never is. Maybe, maybe because they were children this time something will change, but I have no hopes whatsoever.
Sir_Crocodile
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No, watch waterworld
People looking to own a gun should pay for their own evaluation. And every gun currently owned becomes illegal unless its owner gets a license. Jesus, it's not particularly hard to implement.
I weep with you for the The NRA, brother. Such a raw deal they get, and as a gun lobby, they deserve so much better.
Pretty much all of this. Make it so bad the bolded is actually true for my hometown were they have in fact killed officers for them trying to take guns away that weren't legally owned. Also doesn't help that police in some areas don't have a handle on crime as it is so its like were fucked either way it goes. Its like you have to hope some things die off with certain generations.
thezerofire
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I've seen Waterworld, didn't think it was as bad as everyone says. But then again, I was like 11 when I watched it.
But seriously, why do we still need the 2nd Amendment? It's not like we're able to form militias and overthrow our government anymore.
Earthstrike
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How did the egyptian people fight their government? Believe it or not, mass unrest can change a government and it doesn't have to be violent. At the end of the day, any military will not willingly kill the entirety of its own populace, otherwise what are they defending? A nation is its people, so a mass of people shutting down a nation but not working and standing until something changes is actually a solution.
It's completely unrealistic; it wouldn't matter how many guns they own, American people stand no chance against America's bloated military budget.
Mammoth Jones
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Ah ok, sorry to hear about that man. I know it's been a long time since it happened, but that still sucks to know that it happened to your family. Your mom was a strong woman too from what I remember of her. It seemed she handled the whole "single mom" thing remarkably.
TheContact
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one major problem with gun control in the US is that there's this mentality where, if the military is able to have ARs and body armor and greandes, then the civilians should be able to have ARs and body armor and grenades, so that the civilians should always be able to "check" the power of the government, as the constitution allows and even encourages. the downside is that it allows people to legally purchase and posses an unnecessarily hardcore weapon.
i don't think assault rifles or body armor or grenades will ever be banned because people will still get a hold of these things. the only solution is trying to prevent this shit from happening, but how can you realistically? the only thing you can do is really do is have armed police in every public thing ever and who would be okay with that?
i don't think assault rifles or body armor or grenades will ever be banned because people will still get a hold of these things. the only solution is trying to prevent this shit from happening, but how can you realistically? the only thing you can do is really do is have armed police in every public thing ever and who would be okay with that?
DrForester
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I really don't think so. There's something much deeper than just guns in American culture. There were times when kids brought guns to school in their cars to go hunting after school (yeah, Texas story). It's the glorification of violence.
The entirety, probably not, but why would they be against the entirety?
Governments attack their own people, and win. Regularly throughout history. Whether that group of individuals is armed or not.
they are
christ, i watched a guy get shot 2 days ago about 4 feet in front of me. I just don't think you can layer on more gun control and actually stop it.
Really? Did you catch this part?
That seems to be implying pretty clearly that the situations are equitable; that the only difference was the weapon used which itself made no appreciable difference.
Fucking coward. As if the nationality of the children has anything to do with anything. I want you to respond to my post, and I want you to explain specifically how and why the situations are equivalent in your mind. But we know that's not going to happen.
I agree that people are going to kill regardless but I think their ability to kill as many would have been much less if they could not use a gun. This is why I agree that to do nothing is the most evil in this situation.
I think because it's not right to have absolute control of people that hampering their ability is the best avenue available. Guns are a serious thing. They are not evil. But to have one is a serious responsibility because what just happened DOES happen.
Personally I'm all for banning guns unless you are a registered hunter of some kind and hell I'm not even for that but I am willing to meet people who hunt game in the middle.
This kind of shit has to stop and gun control is the only thing in this equation we can control. Here's an idea. Why do they not make it so that firearms can not be kept in a household unless all occupants are registered and licensed for the weapon(s)? Keep it at a secure armoury where if you can obtain it but if you sign it out you have to have a damn good reason. I know this will piss a lot of owners off, it's my gun and it's my right to bear arms. Bear arms against what? That's everyones fucking business and you have to explain it and if you can't then you're not a responsible gun owner end of story.
Fuck this country. They are taking away my "gun". Just got this Facebook update...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry-qc4yhFC0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry-qc4yhFC0
We can, but involves taking some important first steps. It wont happen quickly, but the whole 'it'll never happen' thing isn't a good excuse for not doing anything at all.
It really is gun culture when it comes down to it. Yes, class inequality, mental health help, and other factors make a difference, but in the end, the crazy amount of guns here are what proliferates gun violence in general. We're not a 3rd world country. But our gun violence levels are on par with many of these places. Its not like we lack the police or capabilities of these places with far less gun violence, its that we insist on having guns, and lots of them.
Gun nuts need to concede more than just a moderate increase in gun control. Even if y'all agree that there could be some steps made, a big difference wont happen until guns aren't considered common-place items in households. Its too easy to go out and shoot somebody if I want to. And I dont even have a gun right now. But I could get one, easy as sin. I wouldn't need to go through any shady, black-market dealer or anything. I wouldn't have to risk getting arrested. I can just go buy a gun and shoot anyone I feel like. It just shouldn't be that simple.
Guns are terrible, terrible instruments of death and I seriously despise that they were ever invented, let alone put in easy reach of most any person that wants one.
Earthstrike
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I know they do, but something that is often overlooked is that the military is composed of human beings that can show sympathy for their people. If the amount of people protesting is large enough, the military can choose not to kill anymore. Then what will the government do, when the head of the military won't follow their orders? In fact when Iran threw out the government they had before their current one, they also did it by having a gigantic peaceful protest. When the military approached one of their slogans was "what will you do? Slaughter your own people?"
They probably are, but to them we are the insane one's so I don't calling them that solves anything. I don't think insanity is something to joke around with either, because if they are insane that's scary.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
Fuck this country. They are taking away my "gun". Just got this Facebook update...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry-qc4yhFC0
It's morbidly hilarious how shit like DOOM and video games not only get blamed, but banned/restricted...and guns are just business as usual.
The_Squirrel_Menace
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Sorry to sound ignorant / late to the party, on the matter but I never understood why guns are so important in US politics? Where did it come from and why?
From a European view, I can only think of Swiss having comparable guns law to some extent and even then its not a real big deal over there.
From a European view, I can only think of Swiss having comparable guns law to some extent and even then its not a real big deal over there.
Mammoth Jones
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I know it may not seem that way in a world of 24/7 news coverage via push notifications but violent crime is at a 40 year low.
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE85A1JZ20120611?irpc=932
But no, I don't agree that banning guns is the solution. First, it's simply unrealistic. Point blank. It'd be political suicide, too costly, and good luck with the mechanics of disarming the populace.
Saying "ban all guns" to me is an extreme side of the spectrum. On the other side of the spectrum its "everyone should be strapped at all times in all places".
I don't think either are relaistic. But I'm pretty sure a national gun control system will happen in the 21st Century. Attitudes are changing but not to the point of repealing the second amenent or changing the meaning of it to the point of disarming the populace.
teruterubozu
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Yup, I heard lots of hunters out today in my neighborhood, firing away.
Fuck this country. They are taking away my "gun". Just got this Facebook update...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry-qc4yhFC0
sorry I laughed when I saw the video of the game
Second Amendment.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
PapaJustify
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Americans need their guns. The British King could come back every minute...
1946 is not 2012.
I'm all for change in our gun laws when possible, but gun culture is ingrained in America. Too many people believe guns of all sorts is a protected right. Too many politicians believe this. Unless there's a fundamental change in how people view guns in this country, I doubt we will leave the status quo.
I'm surprised it took him this long to piss off a mod/admin. I avoided replying to him here because he used to do this on 1up all the time. He sure does love debating in circles.
Any ways on topic, stricter gun laws is only a piece of the puzzle. There's also what caused the mindset of the shooter to occur. And there are probably social, economical and political things that could be looked at to try and prevent people's minds from going there in the first place.
The right for a citizen to defend their home with lethal force.
Gahiggidy
My aunt & uncle run a Mom & Pop store, "The Gamecube Hut", and sold 80k WiiU within minutes of opening.
Gun violence has been dropping since the mid-nineties. As has general violent crime stats. I expect when the economy gets healthy again it will drop even lower.
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