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Would there be another generation of consoles?

Generations aren't dead. We're literally just seeing a new generation with Switch, Scorpio and maybe also the PS4Pro.

It's only a sort of half generation to be sure, but it still feels like a significant step.
 
E-Cat said:
As long as there will be more powerful processors, there will be a next gen of consoles.

I stand by these specs:

PS5
Launch date: Q4´20
CPU - Zen+ 8 cores, 16 threads
GPU - 14.2 TFLOPS (AMD) @ 7nm
VRAM - 32GB, 900 GB/s bandwidth
Storage - 2TB SSD (stock)
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The 32 GB of RAM seems a bit excessive. The 1080 Ti also does about 11 TFLOPs, so I would be skeptical that a console would be doing 14 TFLOPs just 3 years from now.

I could definitely see the next generation of consoles in 2020/2021 using 16 GB of HBM2 with ~10 TFLOP GPUs.
 
Jackstin said:
Generations aren't dead. We're literally just seeing a new generation with Switch, Scorpio and maybe also the PS4Pro.

It's only a sort of half generation to be sure, but it still feels like a significant step.
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Scorpio and PS4 Pro are not next-gen by default, because they do not have a library that is unique to their predecessors.
 
Pineapple said:
The 32 GB of RAM seems a bit excessive. The 1080 Ti also does about 11 TFLOPs, so I would be skeptical that a console would be doing 14 TFLOPs just 3 years from now.

I could definitely see the next generation of consoles in 2020/2021 using 16 GB of HBM2 with ~10 TFLOP GPUs.
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RAM has gone up by a factor of 8-16x each gen. 4x compared to PS4 is actually fairly conservative.

As for the GPU, think about this: Scorpio can do 6 TFLOPS at the end of 2017. That's only a factor of 2.37x away from 14.2 TFLOPS, which is less than the typical rate of improvement in GPUs over a 3-year period. So that figure, too, is conservative.
 
Pineapple said:
The 32 GB of RAM seems a bit excessive. The 1080 Ti also does about 11 TFLOPs, so I would be skeptical that a console would be doing 14 TFLOPs just 3 years from now.

I could definitely see the next generation of consoles in 2020/2021 using 16 GB of HBM2 with ~10 TFLOP GPUs.
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I agree. Consoles are largely driven by what is affordable enough to put on $500-600 a mobile platform for mass production and RAM is one of the things you can reasonably skimp on. On a gaming system there is only so much you can do with more memory and CPU/GPU performance is the largest limiting factor.

Even now I don't think on the PC side there is any game that can make use of the massive amounts of VRAM on the 1080 Ti and Titan Xp cards so it's purely a numbers game for more impressive looking specs.

SSD sounds a bit unlikely too. The prices for the 1TB+ ones haven't changed much in the last few years. 2 TB hybrid drive seems more likely, again due to skimping on costs there.

I'd rather see this PC-like path where backward compatibility stays and only the hardware becomes more powerful, with latest games only running on the two latest generations.
 
I'm thinking we'll see another generation of consoles when 7nm chips are cost efficient. So maybe 2020 but more than likely 2021. We won't get a generational leap in performance by having two more 16nm consoles.
 
Yes, Sony, MS and Nintendo will release new hardware at some point in the future.

Not sure what you have heard that would possibly convince you otherwise, to be honest though.
 
E-Cat said:
RAM has gone up by a factor of 8-16x each gen. 4x compared to PS4 is actually fairly conservative.

As for the GPU, think about this: Scorpio can do 6 TFLOPS at the end of 2017. That's only a factor of 2.37x away from 14.2 TFLOPS, which is less than the typical rate of improvement in GPUs over a 3-year period. So that figure, too, is conservative.
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With HBM providing a sudden massive spike in possible bandwidth bigger memory pools become feasible as games will be able to access bigger data sets for each frame. So 4X of 8GBs may be a bit conservative even. Price will be a deciding factor here though.

As for the GPU, I think it will be more than 14.2TFlops if we're talking about 2020. Consider that PS4's 1.8TFlops GPU launched approximately one year after PCs got such GPUs for the mid range segment. If the same will be true for a console launching in 2020 then it's more likely that we're looking at a figure closer to 20TFlops as that would be my expectation for a mid range PC videocard of 2019.
 
If a single game comes out that runs on Scorpio, but not the current XBOne, we are in a new generation.
 
Technically, the fact that they are considered mid gen refreshes there has to be a follow up gen.

Even with that out the way, there will be another gen. Technology doesnt and hasnt stopped advancing. They would be smart to keep following the tech advances in hardware.

Only thing thats happening is the time line for generations is getting shifting and the definition of a generation is changing.
 
Hoo-doo said:
In the Gamasutra interview Spencer already mentioned that they were hard at work at the successor to the Xbox Scorpio.

So whether it's a new 'gen' or not, is pretty meaningless.

I expect a new Playstation holiday season 2019. A new Xbox in 2020. These are mid-gen refreshes after all and Spencer clearly defined Scorpio as such.
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He did?
 
dr_rus said:
With HBM providing a sudden massive spike in possible bandwidth bigger memory pools become feasible as games will be able to access bigger data sets for each frame. So 4X of 8GBs may be a bit conservative even. Price will be a deciding factor here though.

As for the GPU, I think it will be more than 14.2TFlops if we're talking about 2020. Consider that PS4's 1.8TFlops GPU launched approximately one year after PCs got such GPUs for the mid range segment. If the same will be true for a console launching in 2020 then it's more likely that we're looking at a figure closer to 20TFlops as that would be my expectation for a mid range PC videocard of 2019.
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I certainly hope its closer to 20TFlops could you imagine the kind of visuals AAA developers could give us with the kind of horsepower? I truly believe the 9th gen of consoles will be the time where graphics start to look almost completely photorealistic
 
won't the diminishing returns start to really show after this gen? I already started to feel them from the ps3 to ps4.
 
There will probably be a next generation of PlayStation/Xbox. But I think that generation will be the last, before the video games market fully bifurcates into high-end PCs and Steam indies on the one side, and mobile games on the other. Maybe Nintendo could survive in the sub-$200 handheld space, but I doubt we'd see another Vita.
 
M.Prashanth said:
With PS4 Pro and the significantly powerful Xbox Scorpio as mid generation console upgrades, would there be another generation of PlayStation and Xbox? If so, when do you expect a generational follow up to Xbox One and PS4?
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The answer is yes, and the reason is Jaguar CPU.

Jaguar CPU is like an anchor holding this generation in a shallow water. When it gets the point where they have i7 equivalent CPU power and compatibility, maybe then the generations will fade into blurry lines. There will definitely be a next gen after this current gen though, the Jaguar CPU is too much of a hindrance. All the GPU power in the world doesn't make up for tragic CPU bottleneck
 
I think the hardware itself is just going to get built into modern screens and we'll end up with an all-digital "console" gaming service. It's already happening with other forms of entertainment.
 
E-Cat said:
As long as there will be more powerful processors, there will be a next gen of consoles.

I stand by these specs:

PS5
Launch date: Q4´20
CPU - Zen+ 8 cores, 16 threads
GPU - 14.2 TFLOPS (AMD) @ 7nm
VRAM - 32GB, 900 GB/s bandwidth
Storage - 2TB SSD (stock)
Click to expand...

There's no way a console will launch with a 2TB SSD unless that console costs 800 dollars or more
 
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