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HyperionX said:
Not that silly. They're both about allowing one person to have power over another person's life.

Internationally, the concept is completely dead and buried and is seen as barbaric. If anything, it's the supporters who are naive about the long-term viability when nearly everyone outside the US laughs at it.
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We don't care what people outside of the U.S. think about it. For me personally it means that I get to target shoot and safely experience something firsthand that said rest of world will never get to do, despite it being a major factor in how the world has been shaped. I find guns interestong from a historical standpoint. Actually shooting them allows me to also respect just how powerful they are. Yes, it's horible what they do to people when used for their "intended" purpose, but hey doesn't mean they have to be used that way. They can be used in a way that is safe and enjoyable, and that's how most people here use them. If that's too hard for the rest of the world to understand, then oh well! It really doesn't change my opinion. If someone wants me to take their opinion on guns seriously I really hope they have at least experienced shooting a gun. In the same way that if someone has an opinion about some violent game like GTA, I really hope they've at least played the game.

As a gun owner, the typical "ban em all" view on guns (mostly from foreigners who have never touched a gun and are scared of them) is just as silly as when Fox News talks about how horrible GTA is. It's the epitome of placing blame on an easy target while the genuine cause of the issue in question lies elsewhere (though is more complex).
 
mkenyon said:
Not everyone in the US lives in a city. There have only been settlements where I live for 100 years. This kind of condescension when you have no concept of what rural life is like is honestly offensive.
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It's not going to be a blanket ban. Certainly situations will still allow some ownership. On the other hand, the total refusal of many American to understand urban needs is ridiculous and is the way bigger problem. This is the truly offensive thing.

Piggus said:
We don't care what people outside of the U.S. think about it. For me personally it means that I get to target shoot and safely experience something firsthand that said rest of world will never get to do, despite it being a major factor in how the world has been shaped. I find guns interestong from a historical standpoint. Actually shooting them allows me to also respect just how powerful they are. Yes, it's horible what they do to people when used for their "intended" purpose, but hey doesn't mean they have to be used that way. They can be used in a way that is safe and enjoyable, and that's how most people here use them. If that's too hard for the rest of the world to understand, then oh well! It really doesn't change my opinion. If someone wants me to take their opinion on guns seriously I really hope they have at least experienced shooting a gun. In the same way that if someone has an opinion about some violent game like GTA, I really hope they've at least played the game.

As a gun owner, the typical "ban em all" view on guns (mostly from foreigners who have never touched a gun and are scared of them) is just as silly as when Fox News talks about how horrible GTA is. It's the epitome of placing blame on an easy target while the genuine cause of the issue in question lies elsewhere (though is more complex).
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It's the worst aspect of American culture to ignore universal global values, and arrogantly act like we have any kind of point to make. This is why it took until only recently for the US to accept (partial) universal health care, when many other countries received it decades earlier. It was amazing how bizarre the logical contortions many people made in order to justify their opposition (death panels, runaway costs, etc.) and they were obvious wrong. It's the same situation here again, and millions will suffer for it as well. It would much less painful and less cognitively dissonant to just accept the overwhelming world view and move on. Sorry, but the rest of the world is simply not wrong here.
 
Dee Dah Dave said:
I've got a 22 air rifle for shooting the neigbours cat when it shits on my garden. But have no need for a real gun, I'm from the civilised world.
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That's funny I would've thought shooting a cat with an air rifle, probably resulting in it skulking off to slowly die alone in pain somewhere, wasn't particularly civilized. I own several firearms and an air rifle too, and I would never shoot an animal just to injure/maim it. I'm either going to destroy it outright for food or necessary pest control, or leave it the hell alone.
 
I would like to, partly for self-defence, and partly for target shooting. The wife is very opposed to it, however, so it probably won't happen.
 
I've been thinking about getting a gun. As a Canadian I believe I have to go take some test and fill out forms and shit though so it is a bit of a hassle.
 
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M60 machine gun !!
 
HyperionX said:
It's not going to be a blanket ban. Certainly situations will still allow some ownership. On the other hand, the total refusal of many American to understand urban needs is ridiculous and is the way bigger problem. This is the truly offensive thing.

It's the worst aspect of American culture to ignore universal global values, and arrogantly act like we have any kind of point to make. This is why it took until only recently for the US to accept (partial) universal health care, when many other countries received it decades earlier. It was amazing how bizarre the logical contortions many people made in order to justify their opposition (death panels, runaway costs, etc.) and they were obvious wrong. It's the same situation here again, and millions will suffer for it as well. It would much less painful and less cognitively dissonant to just accept the overwhelming world view and move on. Sorry, but the rest of the world is simply not wrong here.
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Don't treat this like an indictment because I'm not intending it that way, but why don't you just move? I almost only see you in firearm threads, so it must be an insanely important issue to you.

If these other countries you cite do gun control right, what's stopping you from moving there? Economic? Language barrier?

I'm honestly and amicably trying to figure you out right now.
 
I already own several. Both semi auto and Class lll. I both enjoy and respect what they're capable of.
 
Until recently I wouldn't think it was out of the question, but I really don't want to support that industry and culture. I straight up hate the NRA and their supporters.

We shouldn't be proud of the number of guns in the US. I'd rather work to make the place that I live safer for everyone.

I will never own a gun.
 
Vilix said:
I already own several. Both semi auto and Class lll. I both enjoy and respect what they're capable of.
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Deadbeat said:
Well you got to tell us what you got class 3.
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No shit, you can't just drop that and duck out. I know one guy who owns a couple Class III guns (full-auto), only because he inherited them (and still had to jump through the legal hoops to take possession of course). But real automatics ... that's new car money. I'm gonna guess he meant SBR.
 
Deadbeat said:
Well you got to tell us what you got class 3.
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Mostly WWII:MP40, PPSh-41, and a B.A.R.

I also have a Chinese AK-74. The Chinese build better Kalashnikov's IMO. Milled receiver and double welding. :)

In Texas getting a Class lll firearm isn't that hard. You found a company (lnc, llc, or llp) or Trust. Your company can then acquire a NFA Title ll (FFL, Class lll SOT, and BATFE Form 4). Once that's done you put yourself as the 'Executor' (love the pun) of your newly formed corporation, and you can purchase and possess Class lll firearms on it's behalf.

There are some gun shops that have the paperwork all drawn out. All you have to do is fill it out, Go through a rigorous background check, thumb print, picture taken (both front and profile), pay the $200 tax stamp and wait 6 to 8 months for the government to process. Then the real fun begins. >:^)

A full auto start around $10,000. My WWII SMG collection are all over $12,000 a piece easy.

Then there might be those pesky inspections done by anyone in law enforcement. They can come to your home at anytime. And I mean ANYTIME, and will want to view your weapons and paperwork. In the short time I've started collecting full autos from WWII I've had two visits. Both in the middle of the night.

Having a full auto is not like having a pistol or semi auto rifle, boys and girls. It's in an entirely different world.
 
I wish I could.

My country is crimesville now. The police are more focused on catching members of opposing political party instead of actual crooks.
 
esms said:
Don't treat this like an indictment because I'm not intending it that way, but why don't you just move? I almost only see you in firearm threads, so it must be an insanely important issue to you.

If these other countries you cite do gun control right, what's stopping you from moving there? Economic? Language barrier?

I'm honestly and amicably trying to figure you out right now.
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Same reason you don't leave your country because the wrong guy gets elected or wrong policy gets implemented. It's silly to say or do.

Anyways, it's the biggest intellectual failing of America at this very moment. It's seriously one of those big issues, like the civil rights movement or woman's suffrage. You might as well be vocal about it rather than just sit on the sidelines.
 
Vilix said:
Mostly WWII:MP40, PPSh-41, and a B.A.R.

I also have a Chinese AK-74. The Chinese build better Kalashnikov's IMO. Milled receiver and double welding. :)
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Chinese quality is underrated, especially when we were getting 500 dollar m14s up in Canada. Its a good starter build as you can always upgrade the parts if you want to do that as you start with a good quality receiver.

I got a springfield comp and was looking at getting an E2 stock repro for the hell of it.
 
Deadbeat said:
Chinese quality is underrated, especially when we were getting 500 dollar m14s up in Canada. Its a good starter build as you can always upgrade the parts if you want to do that as you start with a good quality receiver.

I got a springfield comp and was looking at getting an E2 stock repro for the hell of it.
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You can also get the excellent Norinco 1911a1 for $299.99 (Canadian). They've been banned in the US (import ban) since Clinton.
 
HyperionX said:
Same reason you don't leave your country because the wrong guy gets elected or wrong policy gets implemented. It's silly to say or do.

Anyways, it's the biggest intellectual failing of America at this very moment. It's seriously one of those big issues, like the civil rights movement or woman's suffrage. You might as well be vocal about it rather than just sit on the sidelines.
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In a case as extreme as yours, I don't know if it's silly to do. Do you, though.
 
Gonna get my hunting and weapon license this summer and buy my Uncles rifle/gun collection. He's got a lot of cool stuff, old WWII rifles and everything. I'm mostly getting it for the sake of a few modern rifles a few shotguns and one handgun that I'll actually be using for hunting. norwegian btw.
 
esms said:
In a case as extreme as yours, I don't know if it's silly to do. Do you, though.
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Define "extreme." 95-97% of the world view is basically the same as mine to some degree. Maybe 2-3% of the world (the conservative US population) disagrees, and maybe a percent or two of people in some third world nations disagree also. So I don't see it as extreme at all. Anyways, it's not a world ending problem (like say global warming?), so I might as well stay and just debate it here.
 
Docflem said:
Or maybe it's because stabbing someone can be as deadly as shooting them and the dude didn't premeditate his stabbings? I mean speaking of china, 33 people were killed and a 143 were injured in that last stabbing and that only took 8 people. Even divided by 8 that's still more than a majority of shooting incidents.
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Can be. But generally, no. A stabbing is not as deadly as a shooting.
 
I would love to own a handgun and go shooting once a week

I don't really want one for home protection or any of that but I've gone shooting many times before and like the challenge that shooting brings and what not.

As for the type of gun, a reliable 9mm handgun of some make I suppose
 
If I were ever to get a gun I'd like to get a Remington 1858 replica, not sure if I get a total cartridge conversion or the cap & ball and then pick up a conversion cylinder, but that is definitely the gun I would pick up if I were to buy one.

I also would really like a Martini-Henry, but that means an original and a whole lot of other factors which I am ill equipped and ill informed for.

Also like the Winchester 1887/1901 a lot, as well as the 1860 Henry Rifle.

But all that shit is expensive, requires getting licenses and shit, as well as being all around responsible and safe which I'm not able to waste money on nor am I ready or interested in that responsibility. So I'll just stick to my good ol' Daisy bb gun.
 
mkenyon said:
I own a few. I live in a place that would take police 10min or more to respond to. For that, I have a shotgun and handgun.

Ive had to kill Coyotes, they were getting brave and coming into our yard. As in, going past the horse turnouts taking up 4+ acres into the smallish 1 acre that has the house and yard. That means probable death for dog and cat, and unlikely but possible harm to the horses. They killed 10ish chickens and two goats at my neighbors. For that, I have a 5.56 semi auto rifle (Kel-Tec Su-16). Killing two of them was one of the hardest things I've had to do in my life.

I've also used my shotgun for shooting trap a few times a year, as well as Pheasant hunting. Them bitches are delicious.

I don't mind killing prey animals and would even go deer hunting if I liked the taste. Don't get me wrong, it's still emotionally impactful when I pull that trigger and cause death, but I take satisfaction in knowing that is the process I support as I'm a meat eater.
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I know that feel bro. When I was living in New Hampshire, my neighbor once shot a Coyote in his backyard and severed its spine. He must of shot it 5 times from 20 yards away and his .22 jammed. 20 min go's by and the poor thing is just laying in a pool of blood on a sheet of ice, spinning in circles laying on its side, using its front paws only because the back legs didn't work. I saw enough. My neighbor was just going to let it bleed out and die, so I went over there to put it out of its misery. Poor thing leaned its head up with the saddest most confused look on its face and looked me right in the eyes. I said rest easy little buddy and put a .45 in the back of its head. I hate seeing animals being killed or suffering.
 
Ever? Sure- if I moved out to the country I would likely buy a rifle or shotgun for the potential threat of wildlife. I have a friend who moved out to the middle of nowhere and would carry a pistol to go on a morning walk because of the potential to get attacked by something. I don't know how dangerous the area actually is or if she was being overly cautious- but I'd for sure have a rifle and learn how to use it safely.

Otherwise, no. I'm safe where I am, and I have other weapons if I don't feel safe for some reason.
 
I'm gone for a week in Seattle/Portland and return to Gaf only to find a somewhat positive gun thread. I must have died at the Rogue distillery from alcohol poisoning.
 
yes. i'd rather protect my loved ones when danger comes rather than sit there waiting to be killed.

you never know what's gonna happen. would i rather shoot a person rather than take the chance, because of principle, an intruder might be a levelheaded, rational person who means no harm? yes.
 
Piggus said:
They can be used in a way that is safe and enjoyable, and that's how most people here use them. If that's too hard for the rest of the world to understand, then oh well! It really doesn't change my opinion. If someone wants me to take their opinion on guns seriously I really hope they have at least experienced shooting a gun. In the same way that if someone has an opinion about some violent game like GTA, I really hope they've at least played the game.

As a gun owner, the typical "ban em all" view on guns (mostly from foreigners who have never touched a gun and are scared of them) is just as silly as when Fox News talks about how horrible GTA is. It's the epitome of placing blame on an easy target while the genuine cause of the issue in question lies elsewhere (though is more complex).
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C'mon man, you can't seriously think we all look at American gun culture in bewilderment because guns are weird foreign things we've never touched before. We look at your gun culture in bewilderment because we keep seeing news reports of mass shootings while you all refuse to acknowledge that you have a problem.
 
TheGeoKing said:
Damn, there are so many things wrong here... The worst of it is probably the attitude of this post which reeks of American exceptionalism.
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Yeah okay bro. All I'm saying is if you don't have experience with something at all and don't understand another culture, then I don't really care what your opinion is. People here aren't going to suddenly "wake up" and hand over their personal property to the government. That's not really how it works here. While I'm very liberal and believe in social programs like better universal healthcare, etc, I still live in a place that was founded on the idea that the government shouldn't play too big of a role in people's lives. Basically what foreigners are expecting is for people here to hand over thousands of dollars of personal property for destruction due to the actions of a very small group of people -- actions that are influenced by other societal problems.

The blanket ban argument is short-sighted and stupid if you know anything about American culture and history. It will never happen. Period.

SolicitorPirate said:
C'mon man, you can't seriously think we all look at American gun culture in bewilderment because guns are weird foreign things we've never touched before. We look at your gun culture in bewilderment because we keep seeing news reports of mass shootings while you all refuse to acknowledge that you have a problem.
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Who says we don't acknowledge that we have a problem? Of course we have a problem. But how you generally think we should handle that problem is a waste of energy even thinking about it. We would much rather tackle the issues that create gun violence in the first place: Lack of education, poverty, the ease of getting a gun, etc. Is that not more fair than saying "so you're a gun collector/hunter/target shooter and have never committed a crime? Well fuck you. Hand them over"?
 
EmptySpace said:
yes. i'd rather protect my loved ones when danger comes rather than sit there waiting to be killed.

you never know what's gonna happen. would i rather shoot a person rather than take the chance, because of principle, an intruder might be a levelheaded, rational person who means no harm? yes.
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Most responsible owners keep their guns locked away right? What are you going to do in a home invasion, ask for the intruder to politely wait while you dial in the combination or fumble around to find the key for the lock?
 
PeskyToaster said:
You need a bazooka.
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Lol, I would if i could.

mkenyon said:
I own a few. I live in a place that would take police 10min or more to respond to. For that, I have a shotgun and handgun.

Ive had to kill Coyotes, they were getting brave and coming into our yard. As in, going past the horse turnouts taking up 4+ acres into the smallish 1 acre that has the house and yard. That means probable death for dog and cat, and unlikely but possible harm to the horses. They killed 10ish chickens and two goats at my neighbors. For that, I have a 5.56 semi auto rifle (Kel-Tec Su-16). Killing two of them was one of the hardest things I've had to do in my life.

I've also used my shotgun for shooting trap a few times a year, as well as Pheasant hunting. Them bitches are delicious.

I don't mind killing prey animals and would even go deer hunting if I liked the taste. Don't get me wrong, it's still emotionally impactful when I pull that trigger and cause death, but I take satisfaction in knowing that is the process I support as I'm a meat eater.
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Donkeys work great for coyote prevention.
 
SmartBase said:
Most responsible owners keep their guns locked away right? What are you going to do in a home invasion, ask for the intruder to politely wait while you dial in the combination or fumble around to find the key for the lock?
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If you have kids keep a handgun and mag separated, it takes a fair amount of force to rack a slide to load a bullet. Just aware of your situation and find a thoughtful solution.
 
SmartBase said:
Most responsible owners keep their guns locked away right? What are you going to do in a home invasion, ask for the intruder to politely wait while you dial in the combination or fumble around to find the key for the lock?
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Here ya go:

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Biometric safe. They're inexpensive safe, and quick.
 
Piggus said:
Yeah okay bro. All I'm saying is if you don't have experience with something at all and don't understand another culture, then I don't really care what your opinion is. People here aren't going to suddenly "wake up" and hand over their personal property to the government. That's not really how it works here. While I'm very liberal and believe in social programs like better universal healthcare, etc, I still live in a place that was founded on the idea that the government shouldn't play too big of a role in people's lives. Basically what foreigners are expecting is for people here to hand over thousands of dollars of personal property for destruction due to the actions of a very small group of people -- actions that are influenced by other societal problems.

The blanket ban argument is short-sighted and stupid if you know anything about American culture and history. It will never happen. Period.
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No...what foreigners are wondering is why you have a massive SHITTON of guns. Why you fetishise something that should viewed, at best, as a necessary evil.

There are plenty of cities in the US with super low gun ownership and super low crime. That seems to be completely undesirable to many gun owners.
 
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