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Would You Sacrifice a TTYD-Style Paper Mario Sequel for Super Mario RPG 2?

Hmm, I mean, they're pretty similar in terms of gameplay. The key difference between the two would be who would make up your party: a Goomba/Koopa Troopa/Bob-Omb etc (TTYD successor) or Peach, Bowser, and some OCs (SMRPG). That's... actually a pretty hard decision for me, without even considering anything else. Like, I love Bowser, and if he were to be a party member again, that alone would really push me toward another SMRPG. But at the same time, I also love the backstory of characters like Bobbery, which would make a TTYD successor super appealing.

So really, I guess either way I'd be good. xD Can't go wrong with either approach.
 
We've had a ton of Super Mario RPG-ish games but only two traditional Paper Mario games.
I think Paper Mario's combat/badge system is more fun so I'd honestly prefer Nintendo just can the M&L series to allow the superior Mario RPG franchise to be a Mario RPG again
 
I wouldn't sacrifice a TTYD RPG sequel for anything

Mario RPG was great but the Paper Mario RPGs are something else imo
 
ShironRedshift said:
Hmm, I mean, they're pretty similar in terms of gameplay. The key difference between the two would be who would make up your party: a Goomba/Koopa Troopa/Bob-Omb etc (TTYD successor) or Peach, Bowser, and some OCs (SMRPG). That's... actually a pretty hard decision for me, without even considering anything else. Like, I love Bowser, and if he were to be a party member again, that alone would really push me toward another SMRPG. But at the same time, I also love the backstory of characters like Bobbery, which would make a TTYD successor super appealing.

So really, I guess either way I'd be good. xD Can't go wrong with either approach.
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Even with PM there's the possibility of OC party members. Vivian and Flurry kinda prop that door open.
 
Green Mamba said:
You know what they could have controlled though? Whether or not there was a proper follow up to TTYD in that timeframe. So screw em.
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I will never understand how, following TTYD, which was so popular, Nintendo has refused to go back to its formula.
Super Paper Mario was an interesting experiment, and were it a true RPG I think people would love it as much as its predecessor.
Sticker Star and Color Splash mystify me, though.
 
The only thing that Mario RPG has over Thousand Year Door is that I was ten years old when I played it, as my first RPG.

TTYD sequel all day.
 
Super Mario RPG is the reason I play video games. I'd sacrifice it and 90% of the rest of the games GAF wants for it. It'll be better in the long run, I promise.
 
James Scott said:
We've had a ton of Super Mario RPG-ish games but only two traditional Paper Mario games.
I think Paper Mario's combat/badge system is more fun so I'd honestly prefer Nintendo just can the M&L series to allow the superior Mario RPG franchise to be a Mario RPG again
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Eh I don't really think thats a fair statement the Mario and Luigi games have as much in common with Mario RPG as the Paper Mario series does. I'm not happy with what they've done with the resent Paper Mario games either but Mario RPG is a fairly unique game among the various Mario RPG series.

I think the main problem with both Paper Mario and Mario and Luigi's series is that they focus to much on 'Mario' as a whole and don't do enough to also add in some more fantasy like elements (not FF mind you, I mean fantasy in general). They focus on the 'Mario' aspect but don't branch out enough beyond that.

What Mario RPG did right was taking the basic concept of Mario and turning it into an RPG, when it came to designing the world they had the general idea of the Mushroom Kingdom sure but how do you make Water levels or Sky levels like you had in some of the games? Their solution was to make these places and add in a lot of original and more fantasy type characters and stories. Mallow ends up being a long lost Prince from a kingdom within the Clouds. The underwater areas are both a sewer and a Pirates den with unique characters.

Then you had the Axem Rangers complete with a flying fortress like ship like the Airships in Mario 3. They could have just had the same kinds of airships piloted by Koopa's or the Bowser kids but instead they went with something different to make things more interesting and branch out from making everything in the game about Mario.

Honestly its one of the reasons I can't really get into the Paper Mario or Mario and Luigi games they make the games completely about 'Mario' as in the world, characters, ect. they don't do that many elements outside of Mario if at all and it just doesn't ever feel the same as what Mario RPG did.

Paper Mario has you get a ton of playable characters but they are all characters based off of what you already know of Mario, there isn't a Geno or Mallow like character in those games (at least the ones I've played). They are very much Mario RPG's because they focus on Mario but what made the original Mario RPG special is that it was still very much Mario but it felt comfortable enough to try some things that aren't based off of Mario at all or hell creating lore and answers to little things in the previous games like the Cloud Kingdom is basically the cloud areas in some of the Mario games (mainly 3), you don't see those kinds of things in any of the other Mario RPG's and its makes them feel lacking in a way because of that, imo anyway.
 
At this day and age? No..the game came out 21 years ago and hasn't had anything developed on the same name since. Paper Mario is perfecting it and I rather have a proper TTYD Paper Mario than a SMRPG.
 
Absolutely not. SMRPG was a fine game but I can't think of anything it has over TTYD, seeing as the latter has a better visual style, better combat system, larger variety of partners, a more interesting story, and so on. Maybe if I had nostalgia for SMRPG, I'd feel differently but I'm judging them as they are now and, well, TTYD stomps it in everyway, imo
 
SMRPG is one of my favorite games ever, but at this point I don't have faith in SE to pull off a faithful yet modernized (hell, it could even just be a half-baked rom hack if they put enough heart into it, it still holds up better than a lot of RPGs) sequel. I imagine Nintendo could take a stab at it, but they'd be better off doing a TTYD style game, in my opinion.

It kills me that SMRPG never got a true sequel, and while I'd never say it can't be done, I would prefer to leave it be than suffer an inevitable disappointment of a sequel.
 
I don't see why we'd have to pick either or. Could have both really. (Graphical style is the least important part)

The problem with the later Paper Mario games is they decided to take away all the charm and unique fun characters and make it all a toad hell hole.

Didn't even bother with making new creative toads.

At this point I dunno if I would trust Nintendo to even try to make TTYD 2 or Super Mario RPG 2


Would end up with some jack ass "Legend of the 7 Toads in Toad Land: WE HOPE YOU LIKE TOADS!"
 
Absolutely.

While I like both PM and SMRPG, SMRPG holds a place closer to my heart.

A remake or a sequel with Square would be soooo good.
 
Green Mamba said:
We're also currently further in time from TTYD than TTYD was from SMRPG. Fuck this shit, Nintendo, what the hell is wrong with you.
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Sometimes I get the feeling that maybe Mario & Luigi probably shouldn't of have been made in the first place.

That's literally Nintendo's stupid reasoning for ruining Paper Mario: they thought it was redundant to have two Mario RPG series going on at the same time, so M&L remained such while Paper Mario became a weird experimental series ala Star Fox. In hindsight I feel like it would of been better just to have Paper Mario be the one primary Mario RPG series going forward.
 
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Bowser kidnaps peach but blows it halfway thanks to the game's actual antagonist and loses her entirely

Three separate parts of the game where Mario/Bowser/Peach each get a party of their own quirky characters! Make Peach be the one that triggers the final act of the game because she's always lowkey super competent in Paper Mario games! Last act would be more like SMrpg with the trio riffing off one another

Also Luigi should just sort of be around in the hub to tell Mario his version of his own tangentially important quest. TTYD solidified Luigi as a badass to me as a kid. I loved how he blatantly lied about his adventures and his party members would correct him

Hell they could even use Superstar Saga style items that have you interact with your partner mid-fight

I really don't know why it's so tough to combine all the best aspects of Mario rpgs into a hella game tbh
 
Obviously I would prefer both, but since I love Mario RPGs unconditionally (except Dream Team onward and Sticker Star onward) I'll happily take any Mario game in that genre regardless of what may be at stake.
 
No. SMRPG is great, but TTYD is just so much better. Another game with those mechanics and that presentation and that cast of characters would be unbelievable.
 
Yes!

I absolutely loved SMRPG! Played through it probably 12 times in my youth. I've also played Paper Mario on N64 and GCN, good games and honestly I don't compare them directly besides all being RPG games.

I think we're very due for a more traditional turn-based Mario RPG since it's been dominated by the Paper style and frankly the latest Paper entries have really stunk.
 
TheDinoman said:
Sometimes I get the feeling that maybe Mario & Luigi probably shouldn't of have been made in the first place.

That's literally Nintendo's stupid reasoning for ruining Paper Mario: they thought it was redundant to have two Mario RPG series going on at the same time, so M&L remained such while Paper Mario became a weird experimental series ala Star Fox. In hindsight I feel like it would of been better just to have Paper Mario be the one primary Mario RPG series going forward.
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No, I think that's taking it a step too far. I think the best answer would have to be Nintendo just not being a bunch of doofuses for once, but I guess that's asking for too much.

Please look forward to Paper Mario: Envelope Folder in 2021.
 
Would prefer another traditional Paper Mario over SMRPG2 for sure.

But honestly, it would be nice if any Mario RPG was good these days. M&L and Paper Mario have both suffered serious drops in quality.
 
I don't understand the question. What exactly would Super Mario RPG 2 have that Paper Mario or Mario & Luigi don't have?

oh god this about geno and mallow isn't it
 
Can I have Super Paper Mario RPG 2: Legend of the Thousand Year Door instead? Full party with leveling up, but Paper Mario art and perspective. Also Geno returns.
 
I like SMRPG more than any other Mario RPG so yes

TTYD is overrated as hell, PM64 was much better. Some cool scenarios that were locked behind tedious back and forth in chapters that mostly felt very rehashed from the first game. The hub design was also definitely weaker. It had "more things" on the rpg side than the original(more badges etc) but the progression didn't necessarly feel much smoother, it just felt kind of bloated especially regarding getting all the star pieces. Paper Mario fans are the saltiest, neediest Nintendo fanbase after Metroid but they fail to realize that more games like TTYD would have end up being boring fast. Sure the series being low budget as hell and cutting on a lot of things isn't much better but treating the rehash that is TTYD as a gold standard is missing the point. Mario RPGs are good for feeling very fresh compared to other RPGs, them following a formula would become pretty stale fast
 
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