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Wow: Best Buy asks HP to take its TouchPad tablets back.
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Dreams-Visions
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I don't think it's particularly better than the latest Android devices. It's simply marketed better, it's simpler, and it's familiar.Burger said:
Well, and it has better apps across the board.
Hardware (design, materials) is better, though.
no reduced prices for new contracts?sturmdogg said:
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I honestly never ever ever ever notice the lack of flash when I browse on my ipad, but that's something else. I actually have flash disabled on my Nexus S, lol.
Anyway, I think after everyone has already failed, the next company that stands a chance is Amazon with their upcoming tablet. We'll see though.
Anyway, I think after everyone has already failed, the next company that stands a chance is Amazon with their upcoming tablet. We'll see though.
Zzoram said:
My sister and best friend have HTC android phones and they always complain about them and both are buying iphone 5s when it comes out.
Massachusetts recently had a tax free weekend and the apple store had a huge line almost going out of the mall. When I saw this I thought that so many tech companies are extremely jealous of the amount of money apple must be making.
I don't think HP should throw the towel in, but they should get a new strategy and stop copying the ipad and the mee too andriod tablets. HP should be concerned about going head to head with windows 8 tablets if HP tablets can contect someway with future HP computers it will be the same with windows 8 PCs and tablets.
Burger said:
In the US here (obviously). I imagine that the tablet market is a good representation of what the phone market WOULD have looked like, if people weren't restricted in choice by carriers.
I'm actually thankful for that restriction however. It allowed a viable competitor to form (almost by default) and create an OS and ecosystem that works far better for me than iOS would have. I don't care about jerking off to numbers; just care about getting a device that best suits my needs.
Mind you, I'm not trying to take away anything from Apple's success, or question the choice people make when buying their mobile products. I can comfortably admit that for 90% of potential buyers, apple is the best way to go.
polygon_monkey
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Android phones became popular because a) iPhone wasn't available on all carriers and b) it was cheaper/free with contract and as pay as you go.
As tablets aren't subsidized and Android tablets are the same price or more expensive than an iPad then of course the iPad is going to sell more. Your average person will want an iPad as they don't care about dual core or "openness" but care more about a good user experience and polished apps. My parents both have iPads and love the fuck out of them - I never hear them complaining about it not being as "fully featured and capable as other tablets". I do hear them rave about the neat app they've just downloaded or how my dad wrote his weekly newsletter to his team sitting in a comfy seat in the business class lounge at the airport or how my mum is getting her assed whooped by her friend in Words with Friends.
As tablets aren't subsidized and Android tablets are the same price or more expensive than an iPad then of course the iPad is going to sell more. Your average person will want an iPad as they don't care about dual core or "openness" but care more about a good user experience and polished apps. My parents both have iPads and love the fuck out of them - I never hear them complaining about it not being as "fully featured and capable as other tablets". I do hear them rave about the neat app they've just downloaded or how my dad wrote his weekly newsletter to his team sitting in a comfy seat in the business class lounge at the airport or how my mum is getting her assed whooped by her friend in Words with Friends.
Dreams-Visions
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is this really true?Burger said:If you say so. I think people are smarter than you give them credit for.
iPad not included, your screen isn't big enough.
less than 2 million Android tablets to date? Apple has shipped about 27 million?
I don't even
samus i am
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Burger said:
I'm curious as to what that graph proves.
Dreams-Visions said:
There seem to be conflicting numbers. For instance this article posted today:
http://socialbarrel.com/android-tablets-grab-20-percent-of-ipad-market-share-%E2%80%93-study/14128/
LyleLanley
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Jeff-DSA said:
I'm glad you define what makes a tablet "the best" for everyone. Some people want the features that come with Android tablets, some people want what comes with iPads. Just because people don't care about flash and built in HDMI, etc. and are instead more interested in the App Store doesn't make them wrong.
Divvy said:
Is this just tablets shipped or tablets actually being sold to customers?
Dreams-Visions
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In before shipped/sold debate?Divvy said:
I wonder if this actually reflects the proportions consumers are buying the devices at?
edit: beaten just that fast.
LyleLanley
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Divvy said:
I guess that's fitting considering how every thread that involves iOS or Apple always ends the same way.
Jin34 said:
Maybe I'm unusual but the only thing that it has changed for me is that I can't use sites that stream sports. But with most of the sports apps now coming with live streaming games this is becoming less and less of a big deal for me.
Dreams-Visions
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in 2011? maybe video streaming from Home Shopping Network.Jin34 said:
There are very few meaningful websites that don't have a non-flash option with h.264 video or an app for their stuff.
Technosteve
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FLASH WILL SAVE TOUCHPAD!!!
Dreams-Visions
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ah. indeed.Divvy said:
I remember when full flash websites appeared to be a safe and good idea.
Burger said:
Go buy an Android tablet and pull it out in front of people once in a while. They'll ask you the wildest garbage about it.
"Can that get on the Internet?"
"Does that do apps?"
"Can that play Angry Birds?"
"Does that play videos?"
"Is there a way to check scores on it?"
A lot, and I mean A LOT of people have been programmed to believe that non-iPad tablets are incapable of basic functions. The other night at a friend's cabin I took out my Xoom and my friend took out his iPad. We were keeping track of a tournament we were running on the 360. They were all dumbfounded that I could run Sketchbook on it. Seriously. These are tech smart people too.
MegaKungFuRadio
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HP is one of the few brand of products I simply don't trust anymore because a few years ago, I bought an HP laptop that as much as I liked, lasted only a year, and I found out that a few models of laptops they made around that time were poorly designed and would only last for a bit longer than the one year warranty until the heat of the unit messes with the solder on the GPU and the motherboard wouldn't post anymore. Some models were recalled because of this, but not mine, so I went through a few months of having to take apart my laptop and reflow the solder with a halogen lamp, which would give me a few days of functioning laptop until the BIOS would refuse to post again.
I recently bought a tablet and the last thing I would have considered was an HP Touchpad. I would have went against my Apple distaste and bought an iPad first.
I recently bought a tablet and the last thing I would have considered was an HP Touchpad. I would have went against my Apple distaste and bought an iPad first.
LyleLanley
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Divvy said:
I fucking hate those with a passion. If I go to a restaurants website all I want to see is the address, a menu, a phone number and maybe an online reservation or ordering system.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Whenever the Android tablets start to outsell iPad (and it WILL happen), the conversation will shift from "people buy iPads because they're smart and know the iPad is flat out better" to "people buy Android tablets because they want an iPad and can't afford it, so they buy a cheap Android tablet".
Also, the handy charts that keep coming up in this thread and others will switch from actual sales to profit.
Apple has taken all the oxygen out of the tablet space, which is no surprise since they re-defined it. But competitors will adapt and this will be a replay of the smartphone market. Apple will be hugely profitable while not leading in sales. They'll probably find another market to disrupt and make huge amounts of money from, unless Jobs has retired by then.
Also, the handy charts that keep coming up in this thread and others will switch from actual sales to profit.
Apple has taken all the oxygen out of the tablet space, which is no surprise since they re-defined it. But competitors will adapt and this will be a replay of the smartphone market. Apple will be hugely profitable while not leading in sales. They'll probably find another market to disrupt and make huge amounts of money from, unless Jobs has retired by then.
Dreams-Visions
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Nah. I think they're genuine questions based on the fact that they know nobody that owns one.Jeff-DSA said:
Also: TouchPad and Playbook.
Neither really have any apps. So it's a fair question to ask of a competing device. Try not to brow-beat people who are asking questions about devices they've not been exposed to. You lose the very people you're trying to gain.
I don't know if I'd make that assumption. In fact, I don't see a reason for that to happen at all. If you had said, "Windows Tablets", I would have agreed.VanMardigan said:
VanMardigan said:
Well, I'm not sure. I think what will happen is that Apple will be forced to open up a bit more. They need to start offering expandable memory. It's inexcusable that they don't do this. There's plenty more that they need to include, but if they do that I can't see their devoted base going elsewhere.
I'm deeply familiar with the iPad line. My brother has one, most of my friends have them, and I've played with them a lot. The app gap is huge between the iPad and what you get with Honeycomb, but in core functionality it's really frustrating going from an Android tablet back to an iPad. iOS just starts to feel like a diet OS.
Technosteve
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Jeff-DSA said:
I think that's google's fault at not educating the consumer at what it can do. Also i don't think the competition will force apple to do any of what you think they should do. History says apple does what ever they fucking want, sometimes to the determent to themselves.
LyleLanley
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Jeff-DSA said:
While I wouldn't be opposed to expandable memory, I think that it's usefulness for the average consumer is going to get smaller when iCloud comes out.
Dreams-Visions said:
I don't think I conveyed the tone properly. It's a real, "can this thing even do function A?!" type of mentality. They really think that the Android tablets are super underpowered, have no functionality, and are just a blown up phone that you can't use to make calls and you can't install hardly any apps.
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VanMardigan said:
Idk about that, this isn't phones where we have stupid carriers controlling the market. You can go anywhere and buy an iPad, not true for android tablets yet. Wal-mart carries iPads and thats huge, who knows how many iPads sell at walmart alone. Sure they have the iPhone, but again in order to have had one up until recently you would have to commit to ATT.
VanMardigan
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Jeff-DSA said:
This is a big reason I don't own one. Can't get past the boring, stale launcher. But that's not really a problem with the mainstream. My sister lovers her new iPad 2, which I recommended. Yet I pick it up and am immediately turned off. I have apps and movies on iOS that give me a compelling reason to pick up the device (aside from the iPad-specific apps), but unless Apple provides a "pro" version of the launcher, or shakes it up a bit, I can't go back to that. Too stale.
Dreams-Visions said:
I wouldn't make that assumption, either. Modern society has trained a majority of us that we need a cellphone. This happened long before the iPhone was created. When it came along, it was arguably the best cellphone for a long time. So, everyone that was using a cellphone had their own personal little use cases already defined. When they eventually upgraded, a lot of people went for iPhone-like. Android was good enough to make this leap when they were already going to get another phone... a necessity.
This paradigm doesn't exist at all for the tablet market. No one needs a tablet. Most people haven't developed a day-to-day use case for a tablet. If they have, it is without-a-doubt, built around an iPad workflow.
I'm not saying that it couldn't happen, but I wouldn't assume that what has happened in the smartphone market would have a parallel in this new market.
entremet
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Total vertical integration: Hardware, software, media--books, tv shows, movies through iTunes, and support. My tablet breaks and I could go to any Apple Store and get it fixed.lawblob said:
May not matter to geeks, but ''regular'' people like that they can get all that in one package. More than specs and the like.
lunarworks
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Your use for certain features may vary.Jeff-DSA said:
My MacBook Pro doesn't have an HDMI port, VGA port, PC Card slot, etc, etc like all the cheap Windows laptops at the time had... but I honestly don't care. I bought it because I love the OS, the build quality is amazing, the trackpad is the best out there, and the screen is superb and blew away all the other laptops I could find.
The same likely goes for iPad. That, and the highly integrated ecosystem Apple had the foresight to build-up. No one else has one on that level.
Also there's no good reason to hate the iPad or blame the iPad for the HP, RIM, or Android tablets not having strong sales. A big issue for these newer devices is how they're received by the enthusiast press. Many of these reviews are not objective. Some do a fair job reviewing, but many do not. So many of them are like, "well it does this and this and this and this, but it's not an iPad so..." when they get down to review. It's a shame, because many great features are dismissed by that mentality.
Could Google/HP/RIM/Samsung/etc. do better at messaging? I think so. Just as Apple did those "I'm a Mac" ads, those companies need to go out and flat out tell people what their tablets do that is unique. What can you get on these tablets that you can't get with an iPad? Many people don't know because they aren't told. And if they are told, it's usually from some enthusiast press member that already has is own agenda anyway and he'll dismiss it for not being an iPad.
I've recommended iPads for people based on what I've known. I recommended one to my brother, because I knew a handful of specific uses where I felt the iPad was the better choice. For my mom, I got her on a Xoom, as she already had an Android phone and she was going to use the expandable memory for videos and pictures quite a bit. I really wish people understood that what you want out of the tablet highly determines which one is "better."
For me, I like to do more than what the iPad allows. That's the bottom line for me.
Could Google/HP/RIM/Samsung/etc. do better at messaging? I think so. Just as Apple did those "I'm a Mac" ads, those companies need to go out and flat out tell people what their tablets do that is unique. What can you get on these tablets that you can't get with an iPad? Many people don't know because they aren't told. And if they are told, it's usually from some enthusiast press member that already has is own agenda anyway and he'll dismiss it for not being an iPad.
I've recommended iPads for people based on what I've known. I recommended one to my brother, because I knew a handful of specific uses where I felt the iPad was the better choice. For my mom, I got her on a Xoom, as she already had an Android phone and she was going to use the expandable memory for videos and pictures quite a bit. I really wish people understood that what you want out of the tablet highly determines which one is "better."
For me, I like to do more than what the iPad allows. That's the bottom line for me.
LyleLanley
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teamaxe said:
Gamble?
I find it funny that the argument that used to be resisted by a certain crowd - stuff like aesthetics or design in OS for example - when it came to Mac vs. PC is now trotted out in reverse when trying to criticize iOS.
I expect those folks to start using words like 'elegant' and 'refined' soon enough.
I expect those folks to start using words like 'elegant' and 'refined' soon enough.
LyleLanley
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Jeff-DSA said:
For the average consumer it'll be pretty groundbreaking. Being able to just plug your brand new tablet into a power outlet, connect it to wifi and have it download all your settings, apps and media will be pretty useful.
Jeff-DSA said:
No, I mean, not having to have a computer in your house. ISP -> Router -> iPad.
LyleLanley said:
Billion Dollar Data Center
Ramen said:
Not really , amd's current chips are on a 40nm TSMC process , the next gen chips do out next year are on 28nm . So they will get more peformance while reducing the power drain and heat produced.
The z-01 dual core 1ghz with radeon 6250 has only a 5.9w TDP
The next gen chips will bring more power saving features and some IPC improvements and gpu improvements along with them clocking higher and using less power.
There will be dual and quad processor verisons but the quad processor verisons will most likely be laptop and esktop only
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