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[Argyle]

I don't know that any of the current tablets have the entire chain for a regular person. Go into a store, buy everything but the Internet service. Go home, the tablet recognizes the exact piece of equipment through which you get Internet access and are able to configure it there, on the device and activate it. Then, having all media types available without the use of computer (Music, Movies, Apps, Games, Books).

Obviously, no one on this board needs this functionality. But there is a market segment that still is not comfortable using a computer. I think a better analog will be the Wii. Love it or hate it, the Wii expanded the game market.

Yes. All of the other tablets have this functionality. They even receive their OS updates over the air.

Have you used any of them?

 

[Divvy]

That's right. The other tabs are selling wonderfully. Devs are flocking to make Apps for them and the world is right.



L O L Koolaid.

They are all constrained by the hardware. Competition in hardware space won't do anything but benefit consumers.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

This is true as well, but a lot of the sites I visit do use flash. My dad can't watch cricket matches online without flash.

which ones? are you sure they don't replace their video with h.264?

This is true as well, but a lot of the sites I visit do use flash. My dad can't watch cricket matches online without flash. He was about to buy an iPad and I told him to just wait for the Android devices to catch up.

are you sure the broadcast company that offers the cricket matches don't have an iPad application for just such occasions?

who does the online broadcasts? I can check for you.

 

[Tobor]

There's like three Palm threads going right now, but this is being discussed in the other two as well.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=441513

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=420148

I know, but it's worth mentioning here as well, since we're discussing a hardware flop by HP.

 

[Tron 2.0]

I know, but it's worth mentioning here as well, since we're discussing a hardware flop by HP.

Sorry, I didn't mean to be all "SHUT IT DOWN!"

I think it's totally relevant in this thread, I was just pointing out the other two as well.

 

[krypt0nian]

They are all constrained by the hardware. Competition in hardware space won't do anything but benefit consumers.

The only way there will be competition in the foreseeable future is if they jam Android on any low powered piece of kit that will run it to get the lowest possible price point and fleece plebes.

That only benefits the low end of the pool.

And I've been told that there are released tabs that are better now.

 

[bananas]

Oh god, I can only imagine what it would be like to explain this to a customer at best buy or wal mart. "Would you like the Windows 8 tablet with the ARM processor or the X86 processor?"

I doubt there will be many x86 Win8 tablets. And besides, the Metro UI apps are built on HTML5, CSS, and Javascript.

 

[Divvy]

The only way there will be competition in the foreseeable future is if they jam Android on any low powered piece of kit that will run it to get the lowest possible price point and fleece plebes.

That only benefits the low end of the pool.

God forbid those stupid dirty poors lay their hands on a tablet.

^ Knee-jerk reaction.

My point is that everyone should wish for increased competition. It's against your own interests otherwise.

 

[Burger]

I really don't care what he says. He's claiming that the iPad doesn't have glaring issues...it does.

LOL. Attributing the success of the iPad to savvy marketing is borderline retarded. I see hundreds of people using them on the tube every week, happily using them. Perhaps they are overlooking the 'glaring issues'?

Would the same people be just as happy or happier with a Xoom or a Touchpad? I doubt it.

 

[krypt0nian]

God forbid those stupid dirty poors lay their hands on a tablet.

Worked for Android's marketshare.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

God forbid those stupid dirty poors lay their hands on a tablet.

The tablet is a gentleman's device.

 

[krypt0nian]

The tablet is a gentleman's device.

One can pick up a prepaid android with one's 40 and smokes now. Competition served.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I doubt there will be many x86 Win8 tablets.

Gonna disagree vigorously here.

 

[bloodforge]

It's hard to sell a tablet when people are pushed toward the ipad by the stores.

My local Wal-Mart has a huge section just for Apple shit, with a prominent ipad display. They can't even be arsed to put up the other tablet display, which is sitting in boxes on the floor by the display. Been like that for almost a month.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

One can pick up a prepaid android with one's 40 and smokes now. Competition served.

I realize you're just trolling, but for those that don't know, you come across as a pretentious prick. Ease up. And if you're not trolling, well, that's kinda sad.

 

[teamaxe]

Yes. All of the other tablets have this functionality. They even receive their OS updates over the air.

Have you used any of them?

Yes, I have done research to see what types of tablets I need to support, but I only own an iPad.

My focus in that post was the one-stop-shop aspect. If an iPad user wants to buy a book, they tap the icon that says books, Videos = Videos, etc. ...and it's all tied to one account. I don't have to go get Kindle, a Music player app, etc.

Secondly, the functionality that I'm seeing between the iPad and the new Airports/Timecapsules is pretty unique to me. If there is an Android analog to this, I'm not aware of it, and I apologize. But, configuring an unconfigured wireless router/firewall from a tablet (with an unconfigured tablet as well), is new to me.

My iOS updates are over the air, too.

 

[kehs]

I realize you're just trolling, but for those that don't know, you come across as a pretentious prick. Ease up. And if you're not trolling, well, that's kinda sad.

kyptonian keeps taking all my posts. =(

 

[krypt0nian]

kyptonian keeps taking all my posts. =(

Tag you're in.

*hugs* Jeff-DSA

 

[Dreams-Visions]

It's hard to sell a tablet when people are pushed toward the ipad by the stores.

My local Wal-Mart has a huge section just for Apple shit, with a prominent ipad display. They can't even be arsed to put up the other tablet display, which is sitting in boxes on the floor by the display. Been like that for almost a month.

You do realize that Apple pays for all of those things, right? Prominent displays? Space at the ends of the isles? The shit isn't free. Maybe you should ask why Samsung/Asus/whoever isn't doing the same rather than cry murder.

 

[LCfiner]

You do realize that Apple pays for all of those things, right? Prominent displays? Space at the ends of the isles? The shit isn't free. Maybe you should ask why Samsung/Asus/whoever isn't doing the same rather than cry murder.

The last couple months, best buy and future shop have opened a new tablet section that displays the android tablets, playbook as touchpad just as prominently as the iPad.

And since there are more models of those other guys, they actually end up with around triple the floor space as the iPad.

We can check back in a couple months to see if it's had a positive effect

 

[Kyuur]

I just started working at Best Buy in the computers department, and this is pretty much true. The other tablets are selling (not as great as the iPad, mind you, but still pretty well) but the HP ones were not even with their own display. Our store sold them to employees for around $150 which I am assuming is related to this: now we have no stock left.

 

[Tobor]

OFFICIAL: WebOS is dead. Don't buy those cheap touchpads, gentlemen.

webOS is officially dead:



http://www.precentral.net/breaking-...vice-operations-will-continue-explore-options

I'm sorry MrPliskin and Ulairi. I tried to save it.

 

[Matt_C]

what was the message for buying an android phone over an iphone?

The freedom to sideload applications without depending on controlled marketplace or loading them from another computer. I had a black and white Compaq PDA, Casio Cassiopeia, NGage QD, Samsung Blackjack, iPod Touch first gen, BB Curve 8320, and GalaxyS Vibrant.

Android provided me the most open and best mobile computing platform to date, hundreds of cystom roms FTW. I love my CM7 nook Color and dreaming of the ASUS quadcore Android or an IPS/AMOLED Android/Win8 tablet. If I can run Android marketplace applications/Honeycomb on an HP mini311 with complete ION drivers, XD. Even if I get one as a gift, I would miss the post iTunes experience that the iPad will not offer. I just like hooking up the USB port and drag files/directories to my laptop.

 

[LyleLanley]

OFFICIAL: WebOS is dead. Don't buy those cheap touchpads, gentlemen.

That's sad, I never used WebOS but I liked some of its ideas.

 

[SuperAndroid17]

blehhh

 

[njean777]

This is true as well, but a lot of the sites I visit do use flash. My dad can't watch cricket matches online without flash. He was about to buy an iPad and I told him to just wait for the Android devices to catch up.

You can have flash on an iPad (if needed). Also Flash is not relevant any more. Most web sites have a mobile site. Flash is still used on regular pc's but not on mobile browsers.

 

[LQX]

OFFICIAL: WebOS is dead. Don't buy those cheap touchpads, gentlemen.

Microsoft is happy.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

You can have flash on an iPad (if needed). Also Flash is not relevant any more. Most web sites have a mobile site. Flash is still used on regular pc's but not on mobile browsers.

Some of you guys are loony.

I work at a web design firm. Flash is alive and well, and it's going to be around for a lot longer than you guys think it will be. Even if HTML5 becomes a standard, it will still take smaller businesses the better part of a decade to fully convert their thinking and pay out to have their sites updated.

As someone who sits down with clients and looks at various websites often, I have to have a Flash-enabled device. I'll need that functionality for years to come.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Some of you guys are loony.

I work at a web design firm. Flash is alive and well, and it's going to be around for a lot longer than you guys think it will be. Even if HTML5 becomes a standard, it will still take smaller businesses the better part of a decade to fully convert their thinking and pay out to have their sites updated.

As someone who sits down with clients and looks at various websites often, I have to have a Flash-enabled device. I'll need that functionality for years to come.

It just blows my mind how Apple fans try to pretend that Flash doesn't exist anymore or is the least bit relevent.

 

[njean777]

Some of you guys are loony.

I work at a web design firm. Flash is alive and well, and it's going to be around for a lot longer than you guys think it will be. Even if HTML5 becomes a standard, it will still take smaller businesses the better part of a decade to fully convert their thinking and pay out to have their sites updated.

As someone who sits down with clients and looks at various websites often, I have to have a Flash-enabled device. I'll need that functionality for years to come.

Then have a laptop, no point in tablets. The macbook air/ultratops or whatever the fuck intel calls them are just for you. Tablets are a luxury item nothing more. With how light the macbook airs are there is not point to a tablet anymore in my mind. But then again this is a college kid who can not use anything but a full blown pc or laptop in order to do most of the stuff I would need a tablet to do.

If for some reason you need flash and are stuck with a tablet you can have it on iPad or android tablets. Its not 2007 anymore.

 

[LyleLanley]

It just blows my mind how Apple fans try to pretend that Flash doesn't exist anymore or is the least bit relevent.

I don't speak for everyone, but we know that it exists it's just that we see it becoming more and more irrelevant for the average person and I think the sales numbers for iOS devices shows that most people don't feel that strongly about it not being included in iOS.

 

[Firestorm]

The freedom to sideload applications without depending on controlled marketplace or loading them from another computer. I had a black and white Compaq PDA, Casio Cassiopeia, NGage QD, Samsung Blackjack, iPod Touch first gen, BB Curve 8320, and GalaxyS Vibrant.

Android provided me the most open and best mobile computing platform to date, hundreds of cystom roms FTW. I love my CM7 nook Color and dreaming of the ASUS quadcore Android or an IPS/AMOLED Android/Win8 tablet. If I can run Android marketplace applications/Honeycomb on an HP mini311 with complete ION drivers, XD. Even if I get one as a gift, I would miss the post iTunes experience that the iPad will not offer. I just like hooking up the USB port and drag files/directories to my laptop.

And people wonder why the majority of the population want iPads and iPhones...

 

[njean777]

It just blows my mind how Apple fans try to pretend that Flash doesn't exist anymore or is the least bit relevent.

Oh I know it exists, every time it crashes my pc or macbook I rage over how shitty it is. Thats why I don't care for it in the least. I actively block flash, it is a horrible battery drainer, and crashes a lot.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Then have a laptop, no point in tablets. The macbook air/ultratops or whatever the fuck intel calls them are just for you. Tablets are a luxury item nothing more. With how light the macbook airs are there is not point to a tablet anymore in my mind. But then again this is a college kid who can not use anything but a full blown pc or laptop in order to do most of the stuff I would need a tablet to do.

If for some reason you need flash and are stuck with a tablet you can have it on iPad or android tablets. Its not 2007 anymore.

I have a laptop, but at times when you're at lunch with a client you don't really want to pull one out and set it up on the table. Other times you're just in a quick meeting and it's nice to grab the tablet and pull up an example or two real quick.

I don't do my work on a tablet, but I use it often. Also, I like to stream live video while in bed and I've yet to see a laptop that does any good with that. Many of those sites are flash-based. And yes, some have apps, but not all do and it's nice not having 20 different apps for sites.

Oh I know it exists, every time it crashes my pc or macbook I rage over how shitty it is. Thats why I don't care for it in the least. I actively block flash, it is a horrible battery drainer, and crashes a lot.

People always say this, but I don't think I've ever had Flash crash a single device of mine. Has the Flash plug-in crashed before? Yeah, but you just reload the tab you were using. Never a big deal.

 

[dallow_bg]

It just blows my mind how Apple fans try to pretend that Flash doesn't exist anymore or is the least bit relevent.

I couldn't use www.sprouts.com on my iPad to check a grocery store thing.
Had to turn on my laptop and use it for a couple mins.

Seriously the first time I've done that in months.
Nothing essential for me at all. Even the last few game conferences I could live stream.

 

[Firestorm]

It just blows my mind how Apple fans try to pretend that Flash doesn't exist anymore or is the least bit relevent.

It's not relevant to those of us who use content-driven websites. Of course if you're trying to check out the latest official movie site you're screwed.

 

[njean777]

I have a laptop, but at times when you're at lunch with a client you don't really want to pull one out and set it up on the table. Other times you're just in a quick meeting and it's nice to grab the tablet and pull up an example or two real quick.

I don't do my work on a tablet, but I use it often. Also, I like to stream live video while in bed and I've yet to see a laptop that does any good with that. Many of those sites are flash-based. And yes, some have apps, but not all do and it's nice not having 20 different apps for sites.



People always say this, but I don't think I've ever had Flash crash a single device of mine. Has the Flash plug-in crashed before? Yeah, but you just reload the tab you were using. Never a big deal.

Haven't seen a laptop that does it well? WTF a laptop can adequately do all that and more. So you are basically saying its a luxury item that is not needed? Because you are not giving me any reasons why it is a must to have a tablet compared to a laptop. You can lay in bed with a laptop all you want, especially the 11in air. Im not trying to belittle you in any way, just saying that a tablet is not a must for any person with any pc or laptop around, its a luxury that is irrelevant if it has flash or not. Is it nice to have flash? Sure is, but the iPad has flash through skyfire and it works well. Also if you jailbreak it you can get flash other ways.

Also its nice you have never had flash crash, Im wasn't actually talking about my whole computer just tabs, but it is still an annoyance. I do not hate adobe at all, as I think dreamweaver, photoshop, Lightroom, etc are all fine programs. I just really hate flash. I hated flash long before Jobs decided he was gonna carry a crusade against it.

 

[gcubed]

Not an apple fan but flash isn't a large selling point

 

[lunarworks]

OFFICIAL: WebOS is dead. Don't buy those cheap touchpads, gentlemen.

Continuing HP's rich legacy of buying promising technology and murdering it.

 

[Jeff-DSA]

Haven't seen a laptop that does it well? WTF a laptop can adequately do all that and more. So you are basically saying its a luxury item that is not needed? Because you are not giving me any reasons why it is a must to have a tablet compared to a laptop. You can lay in bed with a laptop all you want, especially the 11in air. Im not trying to belittle you in any way, just saying that a tablet is not a must for any person with any pc or laptop around, its a luxury that is irrelevant if it has flash or not. Is it nice to have flash? Sure is, but the iPad has flash through skyfire and it works well. Also if you jailbreak it you can get flash other ways.

I don't find holding a laptop in bed comfortable in the least. And for the niche uses an 11" laptop provides, I'd rather have the tablet. You can't get good work done on an 11" screen like you can on a 15"+ screen, so I wouldn't use something that small for work. I'd still be left with two devices. At that point it's cheaper to have a tablet for quick browsing.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I work at a web design firm.

well that explains your entire position.

It just blows my mind how Apple fans try to pretend that Flash doesn't exist anymore or is the least bit relevent.

Oh, it exists. And no, it's not necessary for enjoyment of the overwhelming majority of what is offered on the web.

Netflix? No flash needed.

UStream? No flash needed.

Justin.tv? No flash needed.

Vimeo? No flash needed.

HBO? No flash needed.

MSNBC/CNN/Fox? No flash needed.

ABC? No flash needed.

Hulu? No flash needed.

ESPN? No flash needed.

Facebook Videos? No flash needed.


...and most other relevant sites aren't video sites anyway. I don't think you ardent defenders of Flash realize any of this. That, or you choose to intentionally ignore that.

Sure you lose features with a few sites that do live streaming (i.e. QVC/HSN) and have not adapted, but it really is the exception. If there are significant sites for whom video streaming is needed but not available without flash or by way of app as far as you know, point it out. I'll look around and see if there is an app or something.

If this were 2007, I'd agree 100% with you. But it's 2011 and many things have changed. The iPad doesn't need flash. Sorry if that bothers anyone.

Continuing HP's rich legacy of buying promising technology and murdering it.

it never had a chance to be successful.

 

[Piggus]

It just blows my mind how Apple fans try to pretend that Flash doesn't exist anymore or is the least bit relevent.

Considering we don't live in 2008 and considering most popular websites have moved from Flash to HTML5, and considering that if you DO need to view something Flash-based you can just use a third party browser that streams it to your iPad, I'd say that yeah Flash is pretty damn irrelevant now.

 

[Divvy]

Well there's quite a large number of people who use those free (illegal) streaming sites to watch TV shows. I think most of them use flash players.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Considering we don't live in 2008 and considering most popular websites have moved from Flash to HTML5, and considering that if you DO need to view something Flash-based you can just use a third party browser that streams it to your iPad, I'd say that yeah Flash is pretty damn irrelevant now.

damn, I forgot all about that app.

Well there's quite a large number of people who use those free (illegal) streaming sites to watch TV shows. I think most of them use flash players.

ah. well in that case, those people are indeed out of luck unless the browser Piggus is talking about works for those.

I can't remember, tbh.

 

[krypt0nian]

I don't find holding a laptop in bed comfortable in the least. And for the niche uses an 11" laptop provides, I'd rather have the tablet. You can't get good work done on an 11" screen like you can on a 15"+ screen, so I wouldn't use something that small for work. I'd still be left with two devices. At that point it's cheaper to have a tablet for quick browsing.

Amen. For casual browsing or content consumption, tablets crush laptops or *shiver* netbooks.

 

[njean777]

I don't find holding a laptop in bed comfortable in the least. And for the niche uses an 11" laptop provides, I'd rather have the tablet. You can't get good work done on an 11" screen like you can on a 15"+ screen, so I wouldn't use something that small for work. I'd still be left with two devices. At that point it's cheaper to have a tablet for quick browsing.

Maybe its just me but I have a gaming pc, and a macbook pro and find both are more then adequate at providing me what no tablet can. I can do everything and more then any tablet can provide on my macbook pro. Maybe I am old school.

 

[Tobor]

Considering we don't live in 2008 and considering most popular websites have moved from Flash to HTML5, and considering that if you DO need to view something Flash-based you can just use a third party browser that streams it to your iPad, I'd say that yeah Flash is pretty damn irrelevant now.

All of this, and the fact that every tablet released in the past year has screamed "WE HAVE FLASH" in their marketing and they've all gone over like a fart in a crowded room.

It's not a good selling point.

 

[R2D4]

I would wage that a large portion of the general public has no idea what Flash is outside of their PC telling them they need to download it when some website doesn't load. Then they just look at the pop up dumb founded.

 

[Firestorm]

Maybe its just me but I have a gaming pc, and a macbook pro and find both are more then adequate at providing me what no tablet can. I can do everything and more then any tablet can provide on my macbook pro. Maybe I am old school.

Same. I have a gaming desktop and a 13" MBP for lying on my couch or using at school. My tablet sits pretty unused aside from playing music as I sleep or as a comic reader on greyhound / plane trips.

 

[krypt0nian]

All of this, and the fact that every tablet released in the past year has screamed "WE HAVE FLASH" in their marketing and they've all gone over like a fart in a crowded room.

It's not a good selling point.

Don't forget to tell you wife about teh dual core Tegra 2 chipset.

I hear she'll love it.