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WrassleGAF August Edition: Cult of Personality

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Entropia said:
This is pretty true. If I know what's happening before hand I generally won't tune in unless something absolutely shocking happens or there's a match that got a LOT of praise.
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same i usually ignore smackdown unless u guys mention theres a good match or something

also would watch more if it was live
 
Alligatorjandro said:
Was there anyone not in the NWO?
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Best: Wait A Minute, Where’s John Cena

Oh sh*t, I just noticed that we’re two hours into the show and Cena hasn’t shown up yet. That’s weird, I wonder if he’ll show up next week and

Worst: Oh, Wait, There He Is

John Cena being serious and not telling jokes is great. That is a given.

The problem here is that Cena’s thirty-ish seconds of talking pretty much railroaded everything else going on and made him look like confused, deluded, and more like a crybaby than he’s ever managed to look. Consider: CM Punk isn’t mad at Alberto Del Rio for cashing in Money in the Bank because he’s done it that way before and understands that it’s the nature of the beast. Cena is SUPER PISSED at Del Rio for cashing in (“A BRIEFCASE~!!!”), saying he’s “not a champion”. He wasn’t even the guy Del Rio cashed in on. Has Cena not paid attention to the last five years of WWE? He’s had the thing cashed in on HIM multiple times and he never got as upset about it as he was last night. He looked like he was going to pop a vein. Consider: Cena says Del Rio is “gonna have to defend the WWE Championship one day” to prove that he’s a real champion, but Rey Mysterio is lying in the background hurt because Del Rio beat him clean for 20 minutes and tried to break his arm. Does Del Rio have to defend against CENA for it to count? Consider: The railroading of Rey Mysterio continues, because Alberto Del Rio won a number one contenders match AND a Money in the Bank ladder match to legally cash in a contract and win the WWE Championship. John Cena lost the WWE Championship (cleanly, again) to CM Punk at Money in the Bank, only beat Rey Mysterio for it two weeks later AFTER REY HAD JUST WRESTLED FOUR MATCHES IN TWO WEEKS and was on his fifth, a f**king hour after winning the belt.

Consider that Cena’s insistence on never giving up has caused him to misdirect his anger. Remember when the CM Punk/John Cena issues first started, over Punk’s spilled diet soda? What did Punk say? He said Cena takes things too far. He said Cena beat Batista but it wasn’t good enough, he had to take it too far and Attitudinally Adjust Batista through the stage to hurt him. Cena is so bent out of shape about getting f**ked around on Raw and at Summerslam that he’s lashing out, and he can’t take his anger out on his bosses because he’s the Company Man … so he finds the first morally questionable guy he can and tries to end his life. That’s Cena. The world in black and white, with too much black and not enough white. Del Rio’s just an aristocrat playing by the rules and being a dick about it. Is that enough to warrant “your destiny is John Cena whipping your ass”? I don’t think it is.

But you? You already knew that.
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Worst part about this feud is that Del Rio will never break character and point out Cena's shitty logic. We're just going to get more DESTINY. This is going to be boring as fuck.
 
DMczaf said:
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Worst part about this feud is that Del Rio will never break character and point out Cena's shitty logic. We're just going to get more DESTINY. This is going to be boring as fuck.
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That is why I didn't want to see Del Rio as champion. Del Rio doesn't fit into the main event scene with his JBL gimmick. Uughhhhh...

Good news though. Ratings fell in the 2nd hour of RAW after people realised Del Rio is champion.
 
Who do you really want as champion, though? Punk doesn't necessarily need it or have to use it for his on-going feud with Hunter, Steph, and Nash.

Cena? No thanks. The Miz? Had enough of that for months and his boring promos.
 
Striker said:
Who do you really want as champion, though? Punk doesn't necessarily need it or have to use it for his on-going feud with Hunter, Steph, and Nash.

Cena? No thanks. The Miz? Had enough of that for months and his boring promos.
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I think R-Truth would make a good champion. I have no problem with ADR being champion though.
 
DMczaf said:
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Worst part about this feud is that Del Rio will never break character and point out Cena's shitty logic. We're just going to get more DESTINY. This is going to be boring as fuck.
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My Thoughts Exactly.

Doesn't anybody tell creative after they write something "That makes no fucking sense, write something that makes sense"?

Cena has a rematch clause, he doesn't need a reason to hate Del Rio. And even if he did, the reason could have been attackng Mysterio after the bell.
 
sf2fanatic said:
Most of the good heavyweights are injured..
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Exactly! What will happen if the same people they use get injured? They need to have others in case that would happen. Too bad the WWE doesn't realize it.
 
krae_man said:
My Thoughts Exactly.

Doesn't anybody tell creative after they write something "That makes no fucking sense, write something that makes sense"?

Cena has a rematch clause, he doesn't need a reason to hate Del Rio. And even if he did, the reason could have been attackng Mysterio after the bell.
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WWE writer's have absolutely no idea about a little thing called 'continuity'. It has plagued wrestling since the 80's. The writers think that fans have a memory span of like 3 months. Once those three months are over, you can have a character doing the exact opposite thing for the most absurd reasons.

Cena is all about things being fair and done properly, but he didn't care that he had to fight Rey Mysterio after he just finished in the mini-tournament for the World Title. No, he gladly accepted the fight. If Cena was supposed to be the character that the WWE wants him to be portrayed as, he would've said "Look Rey you already had a match tonight, and it was a good one. Even though they want me to wrestle you tonight, I think it's fair to you if we fight next week when you're rested up."

I don't understand how delusional the writing staff can truly be. I know that it basically filters down to McMahon giving the final word, but can these people either know what the fuck they're supposed to be writing for or about, or grow a damn spine and tell Vince that his ideas in this day and age are dated and uninteresting or don't make any sense. He is completely out of touch with the fan base. Yes, they have a lot of fans that are kids, but so are a lot of teenagers and young adults. And guess who has to watch wrestling with their kids every week? The parents! Give these adults and teenagers something a bit edgier. I wouldn't even be made if RAW was a 3 hour program. Make 8-9 somewhat of a more PG-oriented style showing with slightly more emphasis on matches rather. Then from 9-11 make it PG13 like what we saw in the attitude era and have multiple storylines going on.

There needs to be some sort of long term planning in the WWE and its storylines. Yes, some impromptu stories are great. But for the titles, they need to lay out the plans so they know what the exact course of action will be (minus any injuries). This way they can keep their consistency and continuity properly.

It made absolutely no sense for Cena to go on that outrage on Monday night. Cena lost his match to Punk then Punk lost to Del Rio. The logical route would be that both Cena and Punk are deserving a rematch so set up the next PPV as a triple threat match, or 2-3 weeks before the next PPV have Cena and Punk fight for the #1 contendership. How many of you bet that they won't go with either of those routes? The ones that make the most sense.

I'm sick of seeing only one real storyline and it revolves around the World Title. What about the US Title? What about the IC title? And the tag team division where the champions only fight teams composed of 2 randomly put together wrestlers. I want stories to be built up where there's a clear end or alteast progression to it. If they're fighting at a PPV show vignette or a video package about the history of these two. A great example of how poor these mid-card storylines would be Swagger vs. Bourne. The match existed simply because Bourne attacked Swagger after their match and ran in after another Swagger match? Why should I care about this at all. I think both are great wrestlers, but what's the point of this storyline and who am I supposed to care for?


For the record, I loved Jeff Jarrett's run in WCW. He's the reason I even watched WCW to begin with.
 
Shadowlink said:
Thanks to the WWE's crappy booking. I think Truth would make a good champion. They need more heavyweights instead of using the same old people.
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If the WWE wasn't so tied to Cena/Merchadising/Stock price, they could shake shit up. They have goldfish memories.

The whole fucking reason people have tuned in is because CM Punk represented what WASN'T the normal shit.

Cena feuding with ADR is snooze worthy shit. It's not gonna make me buy the next PPV.

I bought SummerSlam because I was genuinely interested in what would happen between Punk/Cena/Triple H.

I don't give a fuck who wins between ADR and Cena. If ADR wins, he continues his scthick, but turns up the volume. If Cena wins, well...you know.

It's really fucking stale having Cena a stone's throw away from the strap at any point in the calender year. Same with fucking Orton.

Variety is the spice of life and WWE (and mainstream wrestling in general) misses that point. Leaving the top 2 straps on 2 guys for most of the year is fucking clown shoes.

I'm also sick of the month long feuds to build feuds. It'd the old way of doing shit and it's hardly surprising that people are lukewarm to wrestling in general.

Sorry for the rant, but got dammit, WWE is just like Madden. With all real competition crushed, they haven't been challenged to really push the envelope for years and like Punk said, "I want this shit to be fun again."
 
Striker said:
Who do you really want as champion, though? Punk doesn't necessarily need it or have to use it for his on-going feud with Hunter, Steph, and Nash.

Cena? No thanks. The Miz? Had enough of that for months and his boring promos.
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Punk, obviously. Nobody else would bring out anything good in Cena, and we all know Cena will be in the main event for years to come.
 
Kyoufu said:
Punk, obviously. Nobody else would bring out anything good in Cena, and we all know Cena will be in the main event for years to come.
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Actually, to echo someone else's sentiments, Punk works if he has the strap or not, because of his ability on the mic.

I actually think an angle of him pissing off the establishment because he keeps winning, gaining fans and support is an easy one to sell, because...IT'S ALREADY THERE FOR THE TAKING!!!

Conversely, the angle for him not having the strap and having to fight the establishment and their roadblocks works too.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
If the WWE wasn't so tied to Cena/Merchadising/Stock price, they could shake shit up. They have goldfish memories.

The whole fucking reason people have tuned in is because CM Punk represented what WASN'T the normal shit.

Cena feuding with ADR is snooze worthy shit. It's not gonna make me buy the next PPV.

I bought SummerSlam because I was genuinely interested in what would happen between Punk/Cena/Triple H.

I don't give a fuck who wins between ADR and Cena. If ADR wins, he continues his scthick, but turns up the volume. If Cena wins, well...you know.

It's really fucking stale having Cena a stone's throw away from the strap at any point in the calender year. Same with fucking Orton.

Variety is the spice of life and WWE (and mainstream wrestling in general) misses that point. Leaving the top 2 straps on 2 guys for most of the year is fucking clown shoes.

I'm also sick of the month long feuds to build feuds. It'd the old way of doing shit and it's hardly surprising that people are lukewarm to wrestling in general.

Sorry for the rant, but got dammit, WWE is just like Madden. With all real competition crushed, they haven't been challenged to really push the envelope for years and like Punk said, "I want this shit to be fun again."
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The problem is the merchandising. I think they can sell as much if they were to push people like they did with Cena. They're too scared to even bother doing that. CM Punk is a start, but they should be looking for others.
 
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