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My point being that it's plenty possible for main-event talent to team up and compete in the tag division. In fact, it can help clear the way for new talent to be pushed.

Also, the irony that the highest-rated segment of wrestling was tangentially related to the tag titles, and had nothing to do with the WWE title.
 
Patryn said:
My point being that it's plenty possible for main-event talent to team up and compete in the tag division. In fact, it can help clear the way for new talent to be pushed.

Also, the irony that the highest-rated segment of wrestling was tangentially related to the tag titles, and had nothing to do with the World Title.
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Austin and HHH were a good tag team I thought.
 
I just tried to watch a bit of TNA on Challenge... off after 5 minutes. I don't understand how it is impossible to make something so offensively bad

It's crazy that TNA have sting interacting with Flair and Hogan, but over on WWE Nash seems more important than all of them put together.

Heyman is so right about having too many Legends ruining the point of having them in the first place
 
Alligatorjandro said:
Austin and HHH were a good tag team I thought.
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Indeed. It's too bad HHH killed himself...

edit:unrelated

You Suck!.. You Suck!.. You Suck!..You Suck!..You Suck!..You Suck!.. NOW THAT'S WHAT'S UP!
Coma inducing laughter!
 
him and miz were the only two able to actually work the crowd last night. they got even more of a reaction than punk saying stupid stuff to hhh. one of the funnier segments i have seen on raw lately.

Alligatorjandro said:
Austin and HHH were a good tag team I thought.
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austin carried the team
 
With Leather's Best and Worst of last night's RAW is up.

Here's some highlights that I enjoyed:

Worst: John Cena Is Shooting The Wrong Way said:
John Cena’s jokey narrator voice is the worst, especially when stops using it to recap motivations and starts “shooting” on folks. I feel like Cena is great at a lot of things, but winking and nudging are not on the list. A shoot comment (as in “a comment you might feed to a panda”) only seems to work (get it) when you reference something everyone knows or assumes but is not socially acceptable to say. Everybody knows Triple H is married to Stephanie McMahon, and everyone knows Stephanie is Vince’s daughter, so when you say “Triple H is only successful because he’s married to the boss’s daughter!” people are gonna go “ooooh”. If you say “Alberto Del Rio isn’t rich and WWE rents those cars, come on, he doesn’t even know what the car is, this is all fake” people aren’t going to say oooh, they’re going to say “oh, yeah, he’s right, this sucks”. It’s the difference in saying “The Big Bossman is fat” and “The Big Bossman isn’t really a cop”. That’s a dangerous line, a line I trust Punk to walk and Cena to plummet over with one of his shoulderblock attempts.

I’m giving a tiny supplementary best to Alberto (giving Bests to Alberto Del Rio is what I do) for reacting by squinting his eyes at them and not having any idea what they’re talking about, because he exists in the WWE Universe and not in the weird Earth-B thing they’re doing where everybody is self-aware and nobody gets over.
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Worst: John Cena’s Man-Crush On CM Punk said:
Study question: Why is John Cena so obsessed with CM Punk?

It’s weird. Punk wanted to beat Cena and take his WWE Championship, so he cost Cena a match against R-Truth and squatted on the stage to run his mouth. That led to him being suspended, so what did Cena do? Go to the boss and demand CM Punk get a shot at the WWE Champion because he EARNED IT. That’s fine. Then the match at Money in the Bank happens and Cena is about to win … but stops, rolling out of the ring and eventually costing himself the match because of how CM Punk EARNED THAT SHOT and DESERVED IT. Summerslam happens and Cena loses with his foot on the ropes, but doesn’t seem to care because CM Punk is real champion who earned the right to face him. Del Rio cashes in on Punk, so does Punk get mad? No, Punk barely cares. But Cena, Oh God, John Cena says Alberto Del Rio is a PAPER CHAMPION WID A BRIEFCASE who cashed in after Gladiator Champion Who Earned It CM Punk beat him in a HELLUVA MATCH. And then last night Cena immediately dismisses Del Rio (who not only won Money in the Bank, but a number one contenders match a few weeks before) because he “doesn’t look like” the “one man in this company who can go toe-to-toe with ME”, CM Punk. He even called Alberto “Captain Third Wheel”, as though he was tagging along too closely to their relationship.

Seriously John, what the hell is your deal? You’re like a boyfriend who got cheated on and blames the other man.
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The more I think about it the more I'm sure Vince is the one doing things behind the scene.

I'M GOING FORWARD WITH THIS THEORY.
 
Keyser Soze said:
I just tried to watch a bit of TNA on Challenge... off after 5 minutes. I don't understand how it is impossible to make something so offensively bad

It's crazy that TNA have sting interacting with Flair and Hogan, but over on WWE Nash seems more important than all of them put together.

Heyman is so right about having too many Legends ruining the point of having them in the first place
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Another factor of that is the Orlando live crowd. Things don't get over in Orlando because the crowd is just so jaded on the product. When WWE goes to a place, they haven't been there in months. This also explains the overall positive reaction to Destination X, because it was something so different from what TNA usually puts in front of the Orlando crowd. I think TNA would do better with the product they have now if they take Impact out of Orlando on a more regular basis, their house shows generally get more positive reviews than Impact and I'm thinking that is partially because the crowd is into it more.
 
cartoon_soldier said:
Cena is obsessed because I am sure Cena wishes he was able to portray a different character at this point. And that he would have done what CM Punk is doing!!
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I'm usually alright with Cena but he was definitely an asshole last night. I don't know why he tried to burry Alberto's gimmick. "Hey Undertaker, we know you are not really dead!"
 
jmdajr said:
I'm usually alright with Cena but he was definitely an asshole last night. I don't know why he tried to burry Alberto's gimmick. "Hey Undertaker, we know you are not really dead!"
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lol if someone said that to the undertaker he'd bury their career before the next show even airs.
 
Keyser Soze said:
I just tried to watch a bit of TNA on Challenge... off after 5 minutes. I don't understand how it is impossible to make something so offensively bad

It's crazy that TNA have sting interacting with Flair and Hogan, but over on WWE Nash seems more important than all of them put together.

Heyman is so right about having too many Legends ruining the point of having them in the first place
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Weird I have just done the same mate, turned it on at the X Division gauntlet, its just so odd somehow, no noise from the crowd and it all just seemed so pointless.

Who the hell is the fake Kendrick guy?
 
Alligatorjandro said:
he should be heel again


or be a rapper again
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I'd take anything other than goofy ass "Gosh darnit, give me a darn title match already" Cena. I'll even take "you can't stand me or what I stand for, but I ain't got a problem with you, but we'll fight anyway" Cena.
 
djsandman said:
Another factor of that is the Orlando live crowd. Things don't get over in Orlando because the crowd is just so jaded on the product. When WWE goes to a place, they haven't been there in months. This also explains the overall positive reaction to Destination X, because it was something so different from what TNA usually puts in front of the Orlando crowd. I think TNA would do better with the product they have now if they take Impact out of Orlando on a more regular basis, their house shows generally get more positive reviews than Impact and I'm thinking that is partially because the crowd is into it more.
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They can't draw at all on the road. THe last thing I heard about the Impact "on the road" was that it sold 400 tickets and they were running insane giveaways and groupon deals to get people in there.

Their house shows are awesome because of the interaction you get with the talent that you never EVER get at a WWE event, and the actual talent that does them (99% of the "main event" scene does not) is working their asses off. At most they draw around 1000 people.

TNA needs a complete reset and to fire a lot of people on both sides of the camera.
 
jmdajr said:
I'm usually alright with Cena but he was definitely an asshole last night. I don't know why he tried to burry Alberto's gimmick. "Hey Undertaker, we know you are not really dead!"
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The new hotness in the WWE is being an asshole, and burying guys past the point of storyline. Cole does it, Nash did it last week, and now Lawler and Cena did it. It's like they have no idea how to make people aggressive or heels without going too far to the point that the guy speaking hurts the product. Cena calling Del Rio the "Third Wheel" despite him being the WWE Champ and saying his cars are rented, or Cole burying everyone to where you need to mute the TV, or Lawler calling the Tag Champs boring and saying Punk would be a way easier match for Cena, etc. etc. All that stuff is TERRIBLE for gimmicks you need to be over. Unbelievable that they do this stuff.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
The new hotness in the WWE is being an asshole, and burying guys past the point of storyline. Cole does it, Nash did it last week, and now Lawler and Cena did it. It's like they have no idea how to make people aggressive or heels without going too far to the point that the guy speaking hurts the product. Cena calling Del Rio the "Third Wheel" despite him being the WWE Champ and saying his cars are rented, or Cole burying everyone to where you need to mute the TV, or Lawler calling the Tag Champs boring and saying Punk would be a way easier match for Cena, etc. etc. All that stuff is TERRIBLE for gimmicks you need to be over. Unbelievable that they do this stuff.
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Just give it another month, Net_Wrecker.
 
bean breath said:
Just give it another month, Net_Wrecker.
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No for real though, they bury people to the point of no return, then hotshot guys out of nowhere and wonder why people don't buy PPVs. Why would anyone want to pay to see fake millionaires with rented cars, or nerds, or losers, or skinny fatasses, or boring Tag Champs, or a match where the outcome doesn't matter because Cena's still going to face The Rock at Wrestlemania, or main eventers that look like "short order cooks" or challengers that can't beat the champs legitimately, or Divas that Cole shitted on several times, or invading groups that lose their first match as a faction after Superman gets DDT'd on kryptonite, etc. etc. etc.

It's like, "Why should I invest in this if the outcome is always the same?"
 
We need Ruthless Aggression John Cena back.

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Net_Wrecker said:
No for real though, they bury people to the point of no return, then hotshot guys out of nowhere and wonder why people don't buy PPVs. Why would anyone want to pay to see fake millionaires with rented cars, or nerds, or losers, or skinny fatasses, or boring Tag Champs, or a match where the outcome doesn't matter because Cena's still going to face The Rock at Wrestlemania, or main eventers that look like "short order cooks" or challengers that can't beat the champs legitimately, or Divas that Cole shitted on several times, or invading groups that lose their first match as a faction after Superman gets DDT'd on kryptonite, etc. etc. etc.

It's like, why should I invest in this if the outcome is always the same?
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um you shouldn't if you don't like the product don't watch it otherwise see you next monday for another edition of monday night RAW!!!!
 
x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
They can't draw at all on the road. THe last thing I heard about the Impact "on the road" was that it sold 400 tickets and they were running insane giveaways and groupon deals to get people in there.

Their house shows are awesome because of the interaction you get with the talent that you never EVER get at a WWE event, and the actual talent that does them (99% of the "main event" scene does not) is working their asses off. At most they draw around 1000 people.

TNA needs a complete reset and to fire a lot of people on both sides of the camera.
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While I agree with you, I think you'll see if they take more Impact tapings on the road, instead of one a month, or one in a blue moon, they'll start picking up on ticket sales and it will at least be similar to the house show draws. They also don't need to run arenas with their product and stick to smaller venues with around what the Impact zone holds. I seem to remember RAW ran smaller venues when it first started branching out from NYC.
 
Dark Ninja said:
um you shouldn't if you don't like the product don't watch it otherwise see you next monday for another edition of monday night RAW!!!!
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Nah man, I gotta come back to see WHO SENT DAT TEXT. Wouldn't want to miss the payoff to the biggest mystery in weekly episodic television in historical history.

HIGH DRAMA
 
djsandman said:
While I agree with you, I think you'll see if they take more Impact tapings on the road, instead of one a month, or one in a blue moon, they'll start picking up on ticket sales and it will at least be similar to the house show draws. They also don't need to run arenas with their product and stick to smaller venues with around what the Impact zone holds. I seem to remember RAW ran smaller venues when it first started branching out from NYC.
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You're applying logic to TNA....it's like dividing by zero!!

What kills me about TNA is if you watch the "Rise and Fall of WCW" dvd, Bischoff says that he specifically wanted to do things that WWE was NOT doing at the time.

So he takes over TNA with Hogan, a company with an exciting crusierweight division, and popular womens and tag team divisions all things WWE does not have......and.........here we are today.
 
bean breath said:
With Leather's Best and Worst of last night's RAW is up.

Here's some highlights that I enjoyed:
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Best: Del Rio Already Looks Better Than Miz, Swagger Or Mysterio

This isn’t another fellated Best for Del Rio, but for the way he’s been handled as champion. The Miz held the WWE Championship for 163 days, and his only victories in that span were disqualifications and Alex Riley Guardian Force summons. Jack Swagger held the World Heavyweight Championship for almost three months and I can’t recall a single thing bout it. Rey Mysterio gets worse when he holds a title, transforming Vulture Squad style from a guy who never loses into a guy who never wins, jobbing to the Great Khali like so much Caylen Croft and losing to Perfectly Fresh John Cena on the same night as his title victory.

In the last eight days, Alberto Del Rio cashed in Money in the Bank to defeat CM Punk and become WWEChampion, but he’s also defended that belt in good-to-great-to-John Morrison matches against Rey Mysterio (last Monday), Daniel Bryan (on Friday) and John Morrison (last night). Like Michael Cole said, that’s a career for some people, and in a week he’s brought more legitimacy to the WWE Championship than any amount of shoot promos and non-title losses to folks could hope to. I’m one of those guys who thinks I should have to pay to see the WWE Champion wrestle WWE Championship matches (especially in an era with no direct competition and no need for crash TV), but if he’s going to compete on every show, he should be pinning believable mid-card guys like Bryan and Morrison, and not hoofing it in makeshift STRANGE BEDFELLOWS tag team main-events.

Or losing to the Great Khali.
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So damn true.
 
x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
You're applying logic to TNA....it's like dividing by zero!!

What kills me about TNA is if you watch the "Rise and Fall of WCW" dvd, Bischoff says that he specifically wanted to do things that WWE was NOT doing at the time.

So he takes over TNA with Hogan, a company with an exciting crusierweight division, and popular womens and tag team divisions all things WWE does not have......and.........here we are today.
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To be fair, TNA was pretty shit before that. The only time TNA was decent was probably late 2005-early 2007. Other than that, TNA has always been a place washed up wrestlers go to.
 
x Power Pad Death Stomp x said:
You're applying logic to TNA....it's like dividing by zero!!

What kills me about TNA is if you watch the "Rise and Fall of WCW" dvd, Bischoff says that he specifically wanted to do things that WWE was NOT doing at the time.

So he takes over TNA with Hogan, a company with an exciting crusierweight division, and popular womens and tag team divisions all things WWE does not have......and.........here we are today.
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The best thing Bishoff/Hogan has brought to TNA IMO is production values. That was overhauled 100% for the better after they came in. I was also actually a fan of the concept of reaction when the promos weren't rambling bullshit. The rest of it, eh. I see TNA's ring product as WCW 2011 and I'm actually fine with that. It could be better, sure, but at least TNA doesn't look like a local indie with a national tv deal anymore.
 
vferrel said:
To be fair, TNA was pretty shit before that. The only time TNA was decent was probably late 2005-early 2007. Other than that, TNA has always been a place washed up wrestlers go to.
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Where do the washed-up wrestlers go when TNA won't even take them? I want to know where I can go laugh at the Hardys in 5 years.

Or should I just wait for their funeral... 'cause 5 years is a bit optimistic for the kind of people who get "cured of all vices" via car crash.
 
UberTag said:
Where do the washed-up wrestlers go when TNA won't even take them? I want to know where I can go laugh at the Hardys in 5 years.

Or should I just wait for their funeral... 'cause 5 years is a bit optimistic for the kind of people who get "cured of all vices" via car crash.
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They'll be in the same kind of places that the New Age Outlaws are now. JCW, conventions, random indies looking for a legends fix, ect.
 
WHAT DEY HELL? Just read this:

NBC has committed to making a pilot for a professional wrestling show set in the 1980s. Bruckheimer TV will produce the series with Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson executive producing. The series is set during the impending collapse of the territory system and the pilot is being written by Brent Fletcher (Friday Night Lights, Angel) and Seamus Kevin Fahey (Spartacus, Battlestar Galactica).

No casting has been announced yet.
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Sounds...interesting. I mean, I'd watch, I guess, but I wonder if non-wrasslin fans will care.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
Nah man, I gotta come back to see WHO SENT DAT TEXT. Wouldn't want to miss the payoff to the biggest mystery in weekly episodic television in historical history.

HIGH DRAMA
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