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Wrasslin Discussion: Week of June 5th.
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DMczaf said:
Oh man.... RAW is going to own tonight.
Edit: Possible Jack Black cameo on SmackDown?
http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/nacho/
tonight is the night I officially setup a season pass for RAW on the Tivo. normally I remember to record it singlely, but after forgetting now two weeks in a row only to come in late to it by 45-60mins, and the fact that I have been watching and loving it since right before WM.... yeah. you get the picture.
totally expecting tonight to be the best RAW this year. Helps that I completely mark out every monday night.
totally expecting tonight to be the best RAW this year. Helps that I completely mark out every monday night.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
DMczaf said:
Thats basically a list of all the ex-ECW guys I care about the least. You could also add the Dudleys to the list if they were available.
Outcast2004
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Bloodwake said:
that would be well and good if it were on the same damn day. TNA fans are stil going to watch TNA.
ECW is just Vince's little way to milk something dry before he kills it once and for all.
part of me agrees with this, part of me sees vince looking for a way to catapult wrestling back into the high life. I don't think it's any secret that somewhat recently he has been looking for a way to bring back Attitude Era numbers. I am willing to bet there is a chance he sees ECW as a great way to leverage WWE and wrestling in general. Almost in an NWO/DX stable way, only on a larger scale.Outcast2004 said:
of course as has been said before, that would require lots of common sense, something the company hasn't been terribly known for recently.
who knows.. though over the next three days we will know a hell of a lot more..
Outcast2004
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borghe said:
Well, if Vinnie had the damn stones, he'd fire his daughter off the writing team. If he were to look back, their demise came right when she took over and started booking "WCW in 2000" bad shows. And for ****'s sake, get those old nickelodeon writers out of there and get some WRESTLING MINDS in there. They have no ****ing clue how to utelize talent anymore and hide weaknesses.
Outcast2004
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Well, that was bizarre....double posting
Well, I am excited.
The next few weeks, even if it does spawn something terrible, has given me something to be excited about: the return of ECW. It might be good, and it might be bad. But it has already done one thing. It has got people talking.
So far, the ECW segments on RAW are some of the best segments on the show in a long while. This is a good indicator about the direction of what ECW will be about. Sure, in two or three weeks, ECW may suck. If it sucks, I will be the first one to say something about it.
However, I believe that ECW may be an opportunity to have wrestling go in a different direction on a large scale outside of the sports entertainment realm. I think ECW is a sign that Vince has realized that there are fans that enjoy pro wrestling, not just sports entertainment. The fact that he let Joey Styles do a worked shoot on the subject is testimony to this.
My belief is that Vince wants both to dominate the market. For the sports entertainment fans, there will be SmackDown and RAW, just like usual, written by the same writers in the same style. There is an audience of people out there that likes a wrestling product that is driven more by outrageous storylines than by a realistic wrestling product. That is where ECW would come in.
ECW will have storylines, but they will be more like the old school ECW storylines rather than the outlandish ones that WWE has. Not only that, but it would be driven more by the wrestling, and the skill shown in the matches, rather than by outlandish characters. Of course, there will be some hardcore matches and people thrown through tables and shit like that to appeal to the niche bloodthirsty fans (like I am sometimes
) but it will be a good product as well.
Of course, this probably won't happen, and in three weeks I will probably be proven wrong, but hey, I can hope, can't I?
The next few weeks, even if it does spawn something terrible, has given me something to be excited about: the return of ECW. It might be good, and it might be bad. But it has already done one thing. It has got people talking.
So far, the ECW segments on RAW are some of the best segments on the show in a long while. This is a good indicator about the direction of what ECW will be about. Sure, in two or three weeks, ECW may suck. If it sucks, I will be the first one to say something about it.
However, I believe that ECW may be an opportunity to have wrestling go in a different direction on a large scale outside of the sports entertainment realm. I think ECW is a sign that Vince has realized that there are fans that enjoy pro wrestling, not just sports entertainment. The fact that he let Joey Styles do a worked shoot on the subject is testimony to this.
My belief is that Vince wants both to dominate the market. For the sports entertainment fans, there will be SmackDown and RAW, just like usual, written by the same writers in the same style. There is an audience of people out there that likes a wrestling product that is driven more by outrageous storylines than by a realistic wrestling product. That is where ECW would come in.
ECW will have storylines, but they will be more like the old school ECW storylines rather than the outlandish ones that WWE has. Not only that, but it would be driven more by the wrestling, and the skill shown in the matches, rather than by outlandish characters. Of course, there will be some hardcore matches and people thrown through tables and shit like that to appeal to the niche bloodthirsty fans (like I am sometimes
) but it will be a good product as well. Of course, this probably won't happen, and in three weeks I will probably be proven wrong, but hey, I can hope, can't I?
Vince needs to bring back Russo,Ferra, and Heyman as head writers(Russo-Raw, Ferra-SD, Heyman-ECW), re-apoint Jim Ross as Senior VP of Talent relations, and give Steph a position that doesn't involve writing or talent development. '
And while HBK is my favorite wrestler ever, HHH is in my top 5, and I'm an old shcool ECW fan, the thing i want more than the DX reunion, or the ECW comeback is for CM Punk to debut SOMEWHERE and get a good push.
And while HBK is my favorite wrestler ever, HHH is in my top 5, and I'm an old shcool ECW fan, the thing i want more than the DX reunion, or the ECW comeback is for CM Punk to debut SOMEWHERE and get a good push.
Outcast2004
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Bloodwake said:Well, I am excited.
The next few weeks, even if it does spawn something terrible, has given me something to be excited about: the return of ECW. It might be good, and it might be bad. But it has already done one thing. It has got people talking.
So far, the ECW segments on RAW are some of the best segments on the show in a long while. This is a good indicator about the direction of what ECW will be about. Sure, in two or three weeks, ECW may suck. If it sucks, I will be the first one to say something about it.
However, I believe that ECW may be an opportunity to have wrestling go in a different direction on a large scale outside of the sports entertainment realm. I think ECW is a sign that Vince has realized that there are fans that enjoy pro wrestling, not just sports entertainment. The fact that he let Joey Styles do a worked shoot on the subject is testimony to this.
My belief is that Vince wants both to dominate the market. For the sports entertainment fans, there will be SmackDown and RAW, just like usual, written by the same writers in the same style. There is an audience of people out there that likes a wrestling product that is driven more by outrageous storylines than by a realistic wrestling product. That is where ECW would come in.
ECW will have storylines, but they will be more like the old school ECW storylines rather than the outlandish ones that WWE has. Not only that, but it would be driven more by the wrestling, and the skill shown in the matches, rather than by outlandish characters. Of course, there will be some hardcore matches and people thrown through tables and shit like that to appeal to the niche bloodthirsty fans (like I am sometimes
Of course, this probably won't happen, and in three weeks I will probably be proven wrong, but hey, I can hope, can't I?
i think my biggest problem with it is that it's all so rushed. There's NO build up. It just got started 2 weeks ago and nothing has any sort of build to make it seem special.
Take the Rey and Sabu match. It was just a thing of "Oh, BTW...Rey's defending his title against Sabu." Um ok, so why should I care?
All I can say is i hope you're not proven wrong, because WWE needs something in there to stir shit up and get them turned around.
Undeniably Me
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Considering the recent news of Glenn Jacobs retiring, does anyone think that the "Old Kane" angle is their way of replacing him but keeping the gimmick going?
Outcast2004
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Undeniably Me said:
That was a fake report.....for the third time.
Undeniably Me
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I see. Oh well, I wasn't told three times. No, but seriously I should have noticed it earlier in this thread. Duh.
I was just caught up in all the ECW talk and I read a report about the Deacon showing up and I made that post spontaneously because I was a little surprised that they might be keeping the angle going.
I was just caught up in all the ECW talk and I read a report about the Deacon showing up and I made that post spontaneously because I was a little surprised that they might be keeping the angle going.
Outcast2004 said:
It would be a bigger problem if Sabu won the title. I see what you are getting at.
The promo on the RAW side has been brilliant. The promo on the SmackDown side has been terrible. But wait, isn't that how RAW and SmackDown have been in terms of overall quality lately?
I think someone will get a belt at ECW that is ECW. Either they will pull a Shane Douglas and throw it away for the ECW belt, or it will allow for ECW to get some exposure through title defense on WWE shows... more than likely it will be Rey, making the situation worse on the lack of promotion.
Oh well, at least they are both former ECW people.
Christopher
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Eminem said:
I was wondering where you went...
Battlezone
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borghe said:
I would agree with you, but further diluting the wrestling audience is most certainly the way to not do it. The 1998 wrestling base could support four primetime wrestling shows. 2006? Not so much.
I can dig-at least with what they've hinted at so far-the in-ring direction they're taking ECW. But adding another show to compete for viewing time, in addition to further thinning out the available talent pool just seems short-sighted. Plus, launching another primetime show at the beginning of summer, when people (in theory) are more likely to be outside? There are only so many hours in the day, and Vince ain't getting anymore than the two he gets out of me every Monday. I'll TiVo ECW, I guess, but it'll continue to be RAW and TNA for me.
Speaking of which, it speaks volumes (to me, at least) that the most passionate and heartfelt promos about the return of ECW have been coming from the Dudley Boys.
The Bookerman
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All praise KING BOOKER
The Bookerman
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Matlock said:
we shall see!
Looks like HBK wants in!
jk.The Frankman
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Hey, I thought posting writing jobs was MY department!!
And btw I don't see how DX doesn't take major steps in forming tonight. HHH is obviously not going to do the deed, so he'll get jumped by the Spirit Squad.
Odds on DX forming: 65%
And btw I don't see how DX doesn't take major steps in forming tonight. HHH is obviously not going to do the deed, so he'll get jumped by the Spirit Squad.
Odds on DX forming: 65%
Matlock said:
hopes dashed!
That is the funniest denial ever. :lol :lol :lol
Anyways, Eminem, the RAWs you missed were great. While there were still squashes and crap, there was awesome DX teases and build-up. In addition to that, the ECW stuff was awesome.
Last weeks did SUCK though (outside of Paul Heyman vs. Foley in a debate... very good segment). Hopefully HBK will be back, and we will see the reformation of DX.
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
DMczaf said:
your not going to be in here during commentary
.Anyway guys ECW's in the hizhouse tonight, hopefully Jazz is unleashed on Torrie.
Keyser Soze
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I just figured out when Steph releases her spawn (AKA Lovely Baby) on July 27 2006 she will be gone for a while and the wrestling buisness will hit a new peak! She can't ruin ECW!!!
...anyways Declan McMahon should soon have a on screen role soon. He is 2 and a half and has yet to fire someone!!!!
...anyways Declan McMahon should soon have a on screen role soon. He is 2 and a half and has yet to fire someone!!!!
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
Keyser Soze said:
Apparently they hired a nanny and steph was reported to only want to miss 2 days tops....not weeks, days. She'll still be on the helm of Smackdown post birth, so wishful thinking loses
Keyser Soze
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Has she no love for her child!!!! She is going to give birth in the ring....
...HHH will pry the child out with a sledgehammer
...HHH will pry the child out with a sledgehammer
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
Shane O Mac talking him out of the kiss my ass club.
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Outcast2004
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Keyser Soze said:
No, no, no...the child IS the sledgehammer.
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