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[pilonv1]

Edit: His finisher is now a Swanton Bomb?! 0_o

That fliping samoan drop was going to kill someone someday.

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

That fliping samoan drop was going to kill someone someday.

Not a chance, one kennedy leans forward with them on his shoulders, their weight takes care of the rest and Kennedy just goes along for the ride.

Hopefully he has multiple finishes because im sick of wrestlers who can only win the match one way. Carlito had 2 for a little bit but im pretty sure hes just doing the back cracker now and no longer the last rites.

 

[bjork]

god ECW sucks so bad. Why is Vince even bothering. I like my wrestlers to be larger than life, not look like a bunch of carnies. Shawn needs to come back so he can obliterate that entire federation off the face of the earth. And he'll do it, too. Just you watch.

You act like HBK went to Warrior University or something...

 

[Guzim]

You act like HBK went to Warrior University or something...

Well they are best friends:

 

[Ninja Scooter]

You act like HBK went to Warrior University or something...

HBK is a superstar. If i wanted to see a bunch of fat, alcoholic old dudes beat eachother up with trashcans i'd just go to the park on the bad side of town.

 

[Eminem]

HBK is a superstar. If i wanted to see a bunch of fat, alcoholic old dudes beat eachother up with trashcans i'd just go to the park on the bad side of town.

Yes, because ECW was never known to have actual wrestling talent. It was all blood and brawling!!!!

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Yes, because ECW was never known to have actual wrestling talent. It was all blood and brawling!!!!

THANK YOU! Finally someone who agrees with me. DOUBLE SELF HIGH FIVE!

 

[Christopher]

the question is where you can go after acouple of "wows" on television with ECW...like everything I think bleak nostaglia clouds everyone's vision of what ECW is/was.

 

[Outcast2004]

THANK YOU! Finally someone who agrees with me. DOUBLE SELF HIGH FIVE!

um....Eddie Guerrero vs Dean Malenko would like a word with you...

 

[Ninja Scooter]

um....Eddie Guerrero vs Dean Malenko would like a work with you...

i'd run circles around those two midgets (well, one of those two midgets. RIP.)

 

[Outcast2004]

Impact time.
I think this show is going to pale in comparsion to ECW knocking one out last night...

i'd run circles around those two midgets (well, one of those two midgets. RIP.)

Well, I'm sure your neck has more range of motion than one of the one who's left.

 

[Eminem]

Well, I'm sure your neck has more range of motion than one of the one who's left.

:lol :lol


Halfway through, and Impact isn't that great so far

 

[Archie]

Fat Joe vs. Steiner?

 

[Outcast2004]

:lol :lol


Halfway through, and Impact isn't that great so far

Pretty much. Of course when you start a show off with Steiner, what the hell can you expect?

 

[The Main Event]

Haven't watched Impact for a while, so what are they doing with Low Ki, is he improving, are they pushing him?

Nash will be part of the X-Division...wtf?

 

[Archie]

TNA has some great talent, but the booking is pretty bad. They really need to ditch all these washed up WCW rejects. :/

 

[Eminem]

They really need to ditch all these washed up WCW rejects. :/

Well they have this Konan guy

oh wait


Let's focus on Konan while there's an awesome match going on

 

[jobber]

I never watch TNA unless it's a PPV...it reminds me of WCW Pro or Worldwide...bunch of squash matches and a main event with 2 midcarders

 

[Bloodwake]

I never watch TNA unless it's a PPV...it reminds me of WCW Pro or Worldwide...bunch of squash matches and a main event with 2 midcarders

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Nameless]

Haven't watched Impact for a while, so what are they doing with Low Ki, is he improving, are they pushing him?

Nash will be part of the X-Division...wtf?

They gave Nash a full creative control clause in his contract, so this is all his doing. There is an article about it several posts up in this thread, and on most wrestling news sites. I'm a Nash fan, but he is such a bias booker.

 

[Brian Fellows]

Haven't watched Impact for a while, so what are they doing with Low Ki, is he improving, are they pushing him?

Nash will be part of the X-Division...wtf?

They've got him wrestling as generic Japanese Low Ki instead of super badass Gangsta Ki.

 

[Guzim]

Nash will be part of the X-Division...wtf?

It's not about weight limits! It's about NO limits!!!!!!!

 

[Tchu-Espresso]

I found this funny from edge:

“I don’t enjoy ECW fans or people who claim to be smart about something that they have no clue about but think they do. I don’t enjoy people saying “this match rules” during Mike Awesome vs. Masato Tanaka last year when that match had no psychology and no story whatsoever. It was a joke to me, and those people became a joke to me because they thought they knew what they were talking about; they thought they were being smart by showing how stupid they were.”

:lol

Hes right about that match though. Although it was fun to watch, it was the epitome of a spot fest, with literally nothing between spot after spot.

One thing that is STUPID to me though, is even if RVD christens the belt as the new ECW belt, he has to defend it at...............Vengeance?!

Another thing, is it just me, or is anyone else REALLY looking forward to watching tazz choke the **** out of lawler at ONS? Those two did a GREAT job of making me believe they legitimately hate eachother. Really just nailed it moreso than any of the actual wrestlers have done in a long time. The look of tazz's face after the scuffle and the tone of his voice was exactly how a real person would react after being seperated in a fight. All we needed was lawler making fun of how fat tazz has become. :lol

When Orton gets angry at kurt for breaking his ankle it just doesnt seem intense, but if kurt ripped him for shitting in handbags and getting suspended, it just makes it ****ing interesting.

 

[the_geche]

UMAGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXImc3q7uH4

 

[TheDuce22]

Is this ECW pay per view gonna be worth buying? I havent watched wrestling since the last ECW event which was awesome. Also it looks like they are relaunching it on scifi. Anyone know if they will be recording the episodes in the small ECW arenas?

 

[Eminem]

Is this ECW pay per view gonna be worth buying? I havent watched wrestling since the last ECW event which was awesome. Also it looks like they are relaunching it on scifi. Anyone know if they will be recording the episodes in the small ECW arenas?

I'd get it only because one of two things will happen:

1) RVD wins the title, and the place goes absolutely nuts.
2) Cena wins, chairs fly into the ring, and riots ensue.

 

[Nameless]

I my dream for ONS:

Cena is out, RVD sets up for the 5-Star frogsplash, when CM Punk runs in and delivers the Pepsi Plunge. Punk thens cuts a promo on Sci-fi on how a guy like RVD who had all the potential in the world but pissed it away because of weed and booze doesn't deserve to be ECW champion. He then does his "This is real, This is true, this is straight edge" thing..and walks out.


Of course, that is far too awesome to happen on a WWE related product, so Cena will most likely win clean.

 

[Bloodwake]

Honestly, I sorta hope Cena wins.

That way he can be taken out of action for a few months from injuries sustained from flying chairs. Serves him right.

 

[the_geche]

Good Heyman Interview

Thank you Vince; Heyman at it again
BY SCOTT FISHMAN
Miami Herald Writer

Promoter Paul Heyman insists Extreme Championship Wrestling (ECW) will re-emerge as a new breed unleashed on the pro wrestling scene.

ECW was a trend setter the first time around. WCW and WWE borrowed ideas and talent from ECW.

The new ECW, under the WWE checkbook, starts 8 p.m. [EST] Sunday, June 11 at the second One Night Stand pay-per-view and continues into the company's return to network television on the Sci-Fi Channel live at 10 p.m. [EST] Tuesday, June 13.

After last year's successful One Night Stand PPV at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City, Heyman was adamant about not making ECW return as a full-time brand under WWE.

Heyman turned his attention to one of WWE's feeder groups -- Ohio Valley Wrestling -- in Louisville, KY. Taking over for Jim Cornette, Heyman received rave reviews for rejuvenating the territory.

Coupling the never-say-never mentality of the wrestling business with other outside factors brought Heyman on board for the new ECW brand.

''It was going to happen with me or without me,'' said Heyman, who made relative unknown misfits into superstars and helped run a company which revolutionized the business throughout the 1990s until its bankruptcy in 2001.

``I figured I might as well be involved and have some influence on it. I still have the same concerns today as I did then, and I've addressed those concerns. I don't want it to be a nostalgia show, and it's not going to be a nostalgia show. On that aspect my concerns are assured.

``It can't be a nostalgia show because if it's a nostalgia show, it's doomed right off the bat. It's going to be a progressively thinking promotion. It's going to have the most contemporary music. It's going to have the most riveting and compelling characters. It's going to be able to reach out and create new stars and not have to rely on the guys that were hot five, six or seven years ago. With that in mind I'm very excited about it.''

In addition to past ECW hardcore legends like Sabu and Terry Funk making their return to the promotion, WWE superstars Kurt Angle and the Big Show will get a chance to build their reputations in a new environment and excel in front of a different audience.

''The most motivated bunch of guys you've ever seen in your life,'' said Heyman. ``It's amazing to see the difference in Rob Van Dam. It's amazing to feel in one night how the Big Show's life has changed, and he'll tell you that. Here's a guy, call a spade, a spade, 7-feet tall and 500 pounds. He's not 6-foot-6, 285 pounds, and we claim he's 7-feet tall, 500 pounds.

``Here he is now motivated because you tell me the best they can do with him on Raw is what you've seen. It's been horrible, and he knows that. Now he has the opportunity to be himself. A legitimate giant, the world's largest athlete, and that is how we're going to promote him, use him and write for him.''

ECW anew with its Big Show will air on the Sci-Fi Channel.

There was speculation the network asked for science fiction elements to accommodate their audience including the creation of alien or vampire-like characters and storylines.

According to Heyman, this is not the case.

Similar to what made ECW a popular cultural renaissance when it first debuted, it's Heyman once again putting his finger on the pulse of what's popular in society.

''It's taken out of context,'' said Heyman. 'Here's the funniest thing, everyone is so up in arms saying, `Oh, there has to be a vampire group.' There doesn't have to be anything. There has been discussion about a vampire group, but that discussion came from our end as much as their end because there is a real culture out there today among ages 19-24.

``They're called bite clubs, and it is kids, kind of like the Gothic scene now. It's a real culture that's out there, and it's very popular, and it's very hot. Anybody that follows the New York or Los Angeles club scene will find out there are a lot of kids into this right now.

``It's where Rob Zombie draws a lot of his audience right now. It's where Marilyn Manson draws a lot of his audience. Are we supposed to deny the cultural influence? I don't care if I'm on Sci-Fi [Channel] or the Food Network or if I'm on USA [Network]. I don't care what channel I'm on.

``If I'm going to do a progressively thinking promotion one of the influences we're gong to have is what's hot with kids today, and what's hot with kids today is vampires. That is something I would do with the right people and with the right storyline.

'Everybody is so up in arms saying, `Sci-Fi [Channel] is making us do this.' Nobody is making us do anything. This is something I find to be very interesting because kids are into it.''

• It's more than hardcore.

ECW was known for implementing a variety of styles, with technical marvels like Chris Benoit and Lance Storm to hardcore innovators Sabu and the Sandman.

For Heyman, in this case, the new ECW is not so different.

''It's going to be a balance like it was before,'' said Heyman. ``The Public Enemy was never really based on pure wrestling science. This won't be based on pure wrestling science. Although, we have the best in the world in Kurt Angle.

``This is going to be based on a mix. This is going to be everything you loved about the old ECW and thinking into the future. It's going to be based on hot, new, contemporary and riveting characters with contemporary music.

``It's going to be based with the most hard-hitting action and realistic storylines. Hopefully, it will be based on a product Raw and SmackDown! can't compete with, and that's my goals for ECW.''

The ECW program will telecast live after the SmackDown! tapings on Tuesday, which is something Heyman is looking forward to doing.

``We're going live, so SmackDown! is our warm-up #$%#@," said Heyman. ``I won't lie to you. That was a real concern. `Aw man we have to go on at 7 p.m. before SmackDown!. We're just a warm-up act. This sucks.'

``No longer. Now they warm up the crowd for us. We go live at 10 p.m., and that's exciting because it's live television. No safety net there, and that's something else new to us. We did 21 live pay-per-views, but we didn't do live weekly television.

``So now our #$@!% are on the line. That is another reason why I'm excited about this because our #$@!% are on the line, and it's put up or shut up now.''

• While the competitive juices and his passion to succeed are at all-time highs, Total Nonstop Action (TNA) is off Heyman's radar.

TNA is promoting house shows or non-televised events the weekend of One Night Stand including an event dubbed the Hardcore War in New Alhambra Arena, what was formally the ECW Arena, in South Philadelphia.

Incidentally, ECW will run a show June 24 in the same place.

''I don't think TNA is even a consideration,'' said Heyman. ``I don't think TNA is even a consideration to anyone in this industry. I wish that they were, but the problem with TNA is they never branded themselves. They took a bunch of guys, whether they had legitimate gripes in WWE, it doesn't matter.

'They took a bunch of guys, who came on TNA and instead of saying, `This is my opportunity. This is my opportunity to brand TNA. This is my opportunity to create a new style.' All they would say is, `I've been held back. I wasn't given an opportunity. I didn't get this. I didn't get that, and now I'm going to have it.'

``You know, nobody cares if you've been held back or not. People want to be entertained. It's like if Sylvester Stallone doing a Rocky movie and saying, `You know I wanted it to be a different script.'

``Who cares? Screw you, entertain me. What they do in TNA is sit there #%*&*#@& and moan about their WWE experiences, instead of selling you on the TNA experience.

``Another thing they did in TNA wrong, in my opinion, is they didn't brand new stars to be their stars. They didn't make Samoa Joe their star. They didn't make Abyss their lead star. They should have taken these lead guys and branded them so that they are TNA stars.

``Kurt Angle is not going to be the same Kurt Angle in ECW that he was in WWE. We're going to create new stars around Kurt Angle and new stars around the Sandman. They're going to be ECW branded stars, not WWE retreads *$#@%#@# and moaning about the fact that Vince McMahon didn't give them the opportunity that they felt they deserved.''

Despite his feelings on TNA, Heyman is planning on looking everywhere around the world for the best talent he can mold into future superstars.

''It's going to come from Ohio Valley Wrestling and Deep South Wrestling [WWE developmental territories],'' said Heyman. ``There are a lot of great prospects in OVW and DSW. We have a great developmental system, and there's a lot of phenomenal talent out there.

``There are guys in Mexico that I have my eyes on, and there are guys in Japan I have my eyes on. There are some guys on the independent scene that are very interesting.

``We're not going to close our eyes to anything. If there is somebody in the Mixed Martial Arts (MMAs), who I think could be a compelling character on the ECW show, I'm certainly not going to turn a blind eye because, `Oh wait, he's into Brazilian Jujitsu. Let's not take him.'

``Baloney, if anybody can entertain our audience, and if anybody is out there that can create public interest I'm going to get them.''

When it's all said and done the outspoken Heyman wants ECW to make waves in the pro wrestling business, much like he did during ECW's first run.

Despite ECW working under the WWE umbrella, Heyman will not let that deter from his future plans for the brand.

''My present goals are to whip Raw and SmackDown!'s $%%#@* creatively,'' said Heyman. ``I want to build a fanbase, creating new characters and expanding the name ECW into a global phenomenon for a second time.

'What I'm going to do differently from last time is I don't' have to be a book-keeper anymore. That pressure is off of me. They've got a lot of bean counters out in that [Stanford] tower there that would love to sit there and handle the books.

``This means I can sit back and handle what I like, which is promoting, presenting, producing, directing and writing for an extraordinary bunch of performers, who are just craving the opportunity to be put out there in the public.''

• Based on Heyman's track record expect a lot of surprises when ECW presents One Night Stand 8 p.m. [EST] Sunday, June 11 on PPV from the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City.

John Cena defends the WWE championship against Rob Van Dam. Fellow ECW standout Sabu battles Rey Mysterio for the world heavyweight championship.

Tommy Dreamer and Terry Funk fight Mick Foley and Edge in an extreme tag team confrontation. Beulah is expected to reside in the corner of Dreamer and Funk to keep Edge's girlfriend Lita in check.

Jerry Lawler battles Taz in his return to the ring after retiring in 2002 to announce SmackDown!. Randy Orton is back early from his 60-day suspension against one of ECW's newest stars Kurt Angle.

• ECW debuts on the Sci-Fi Channel 10 p.m. Tuesday, June 13 live in Trenton, NJ.
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[Bloodwake]

That is possibly the most encouraging thing I have read about the new ECW so far.

 

[Bloodwake]

WWE vs. ECW "Head to Head" did a 3.1 cable rating, with a 5 share. The show did hours of 2.9 and 3.3.

Not as much as RAW, but not as bad as SmackDown. Those who missed this will regret it though.

 

[GaimeGuy]

That is possibly the most encouraging thing I have read about the new ECW so far.

QFT

That interview is awesome.

I love you, Paul. <3

 

[Eminem]

Paul Heyman will be scripting ECW, however, Vince McMahon will have the final say over what airs. Although, unlike the WWE writers such as Ed Koskie, Dave Lagana, and Brian Gewirtz, Heyman is less likely to book explicitly to please McMahon and is more likely to push new concepts. McMahon considers this ECW project as a major opportunity to expand revenue and to also try new concepts without much risk. Also, the new ECW brand plans to feature more in-ring wrestling along the lines of Ring Of Honor.

yay.

 

[Brian Fellows]

I found this funny from edge:



:lol

Hes right about that match though. Although it was fun to watch, it was the epitome of a spot fest, with literally nothing between spot after spot.

.

I love how wrestlers still like to believe that we know nothing about what goes on. Its so cute. I mean sure every now and then something comes along like the Hardy/Lita thing that throws people for a loop. But for the most part there are few secrets left. Sorry Edgy.

But yeah Tanaka/Awesome sucked because well....Tanaka and Awesome both suck. Really the only fun thing about ONS was Sandman's entrance. other than that the whole show was pretty weak. Which is why I'm not too terrible excited for ECW.

 

[Keyser Soze]

It really looks like the only person that can ruin ECW is Steph. Sadly, Vince will listen to her if she compalins and we all know she will only complain about things she knows nothing about (she will want ECW to be more "Hollywood")....

Things look great right now though. I wanted Paul to create new stars in ECW and it looks like he is going to do. I remeber "Team 3D" saying somethiing about ECW during Sacrifice but now I know there ****ing wrong. The new ECW should turn out great and I really am very happy right now

 

[Alex Anderson]

That sounds like Edge talking in character.

 

[Bloodwake]

Unfortunately, guys, my plans to attend an OVW show have fallen through

However, I will be looking into going to the ECW show in Nashville.

 

[Outcast2004]

I'm kinda pissed that they are skipping Cleveland for the ECW shows. I would have liked to go..... That makes me a sad panda.

 

[Nameless]

Not as much as RAW, but not as bad as SmackDown. Those who missed this will regret it though.

You know, they are hoping for atleast a 1.0 for ECW's premiere on Sci-Fi, I honestly think it could exceed 2.0. That Heyman interview has me as pumped for ECW as I have been since the reformation was announced. OVW was usually more entertaining than Smackdown with because of Heyman, Smackdown was consistently better than Raw when Heyman was at the helm, so there is no doubt in my mind that ECW Deux, will exceed SD easily and be right up there with Raw week in week out.

 

[Guzim]

As much as I wanted Cena to lose in the past, I hope he does win on Sunday.

RVD taps to the STFU.

 

[Christopher]

As much as I wanted Cena to lose in the past, I hope he does win on Sunday.

RVD taps to the STFU.

The one he doesn't even arch his back to do ftw!

 

[Nameless]

I think it will end in a no contest or DQ, With Edge or a current or debuting ECW star running in.

 

[Outcast2004]

You know, they are hoping for atleast a 1.0 for ECW's premiere on Sci-Fi, I honestly think it could exceed 2.0. That Heyman interview has me as pumped for ECW as I have been since the reformation was announced. OVW was usually more entertaining than Smackdown with because of Heyman, Smackdown was consistently better than Raw when Heyman was at the helm, so there is no doubt in my mind that ECW Deux, will exceed SD easily and be right up there with Raw week in week out.

gotta factor in the subscriber size for Scifi. I think it's alot smaller than USA so pulling a 2.0 might be stretching it.

Heyman is the man though, I've ALWAYS thought that. The guy is a talent genius and knows how to make people (even Big Show) look like gold.

I think it will end in a no contest or DQ, With Edge or a current or debuting ECW star running in.

No DQ finishes in ECW. There must be a winner in title matches.

 

[Nameless]

gotta factor in the subscriber size for Scifi. I think it's alot smaller than USA so pulling a 2.0 might be stretching it.

Heyman is the man though, I've ALWAYS thought that. The guy is a talent genius and knows how to make people (even Big Show) look like gold.


No DQ finishes in ECW. There must be a winner in title matches.

Ehh.. Forgot it was an ECW PPV.. Sorry but Cena vs. RVD doesn't scream ECW. SOMEHOW it will be undecided, because there is no way I see RVD losing clean. But who knows, I didn't think they would let Rey lose clean to RVD Wednesday.

 

[Matlock]

it'll be a down and dirty match with lots of weapons
rvd will win, take the title, throw it away, and haul out a new ecw title

then, a tournament will be made to see who goes against the #1 contender at vengeance...

best case scenario, that is

 

[Nameless]

Credit: PWInsider.com

The Sun in the UK recently got a change to speak with Hulk Hogan. Hogan stated that, "I spoke to Vince in New York on Sunday and he's asked me to come back. He wants to make me the Babe Ruth or Muhammad Ali of wrestling.


Next April WrestleMania is back in Detroit, Michigan. Twenty years ago in the same city, at the same event, I bodyslammed Andre The Giant. Vince was saying to me: 'Oh my gosh, you have to be in the main event 20 years later.' "We'll probably end up doing business."

When asked if that match would be against Steve Austin, Hogan said, "I've thrown the challenge out there and now it's up to Stone Cold if he wants to do the match."

Hogan then went on to say, "I really don't know why it hasn't happened already. I thought maybe Vince and Steve had fallen out, but I've since found out that they've done some sort of deal to keep Austin as part of the company. "So if he's part of the WWE, I've got no idea why Steve wouldn't want to have a match at WrestleMania."

Hogan then added, "I don't know if he has a problem with me personally. When we were in WCW, and he was Stunning Steve Austin, he talked to me a couple of times about different ideas he had to work with me. The ideas were OK, they weren't home runs but they were pretty good."

Maybe its just me, but Hogan vs Austin doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me, Unless it was Hollywood Hogan vs. Face Stone Cold.

For sheer Nostalgia, I would like to see Hogan face the Great Khali. Keep Khali dominating until WM, and then have Hogan overcome and beat him like the good ole days. I would seriously mark-out when Hogan slammed Khali and delivered the leg drop.

 

[Nameless]

it'll be a down and dirty match with lots of weapons
rvd will win, take the title, throw it away, and haul out a new ecw title

then, a tournament will be made to see who goes against the #1 contender at vengeance...

best case scenario, that is

I say Edge runs in and causes RVD the match. And then on Raw talks about how he saved the title for Cena, because he didn't want to lose his title-shot at Vengance. A title tourny takes place on ECW TV which comes down to RVD and Kurt in the finals.

 

[Archie]

Isn't it kind of disturbing that Hulk Hogan could be headlining an event that he headlined two decades ago?

 

[Nameless]

Isn't it kind of disturbing that Hulk Hogan could be headlining an event that he headlined two decades ago?

I don't know, but it sure does make me feel old as hell

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Nameless, please stop fantasy booking all the time.

I say Edge runs in and causes RVD the match.

That's cool. It's just a standard prediction. But then...

And then on Raw talks about how he saved the title for Cena, because he didn't want to lose his title-shot at Vengance. A title tourny takes place on ECW TV which comes down to RVD and Kurt in the finals.

What the **** is this? This isn't GameFAQs.

I liked Heyman's comments on TNA, especially "they don't matter. I wish they mattered, but they dont."

``Another thing they did in TNA wrong, in my opinion, is they didn't brand new stars to be their stars. They didn't make Samoa Joe their star. They didn't make Abyss their lead star. They should have taken these lead guys and branded them so that they are TNA stars.

The ****ing truth. It's incredible how much they skate around just making Samoa Joe their big star or not. One day he dominates everyone, the next day Sting is the big guy. Joe might seem like a main eventer this show, the next show he's not even there. It's ****ed up and hard to watch as a fan.

And what the hell happened to AJ Styles? These days you forget the guy is even in the company, and he's the most entertaining guy they've got in the ring.

WWE got popular by sucking it up and putting Stone Cold and the Rock out there as their stars. There was no ****ing question that these guys were the new stars of the show, and past stars started to fall down to the midcard as they should. **** TNA.