Sibersk Esto
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something something SHADING
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WTF has happened to anime?
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something something SHADING
Nostalgia goggle is strong. People brought up Gundam Seed, forgot about how original Gundam looked.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Did you even watch the show that .gif is from or Hyouka
For every shitty thing KyoAni makes like Chuu2 or KNK they seem to make something good. Of course it's not like Euphonium isn't SoL-y but it's not a negative moniker.
plasmawave
Banned
Redline, any of the Satoshi Kon movies, studio Ghibli's stuff, Sword of the Stranger, the new Evangelion movies, etc.
It's not the shading, I think it has something to do with the line art or more natural coloring.
Admiral Woofington
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HD generation means higher costs and more details, there are cheaper alternatives nowadays too traditional animation, like CGI, the accessibility of the internet means profits from ads and licencing might be leaking because of the illegal streaming services, more competition is merchandise and series.
All this is just speculation on my part, but bottom line is that its just more expensive to make so their profits are lower, so they put out lower quality animation for less.
All this is just speculation on my part, but bottom line is that its just more expensive to make so their profits are lower, so they put out lower quality animation for less.
ZombiePlatypus
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HOLY FUCK. Dead. 10/10.
Will we ever see anything like this again?
Anime films that look as beautiful and intricately drawn? Sure, yeah. Ones that have that hand-drawn, 2D look? I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say Akira and Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust are gems of their eras and we'll probably never get a major release with that level of care and detail without digital stuff happening. God the machines, look AMAZING in Akira.
KuguyaHime is the only exception I guess when it comes to new features that still look hand-drawn. Love that movie to pieces.
I really like haikyuus style
This looks neat. Hadn't heard of it. Will check it out.
Also, yeah that gif of that KyoAni show looks stunning. Will definitely give that a whirl as well.
Pegosaurus
Banned
but what about MadHouse??????
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
Yeah if you ignore all the really horrible, boring shit in the middle that's just riddled with numerous instances of still images with the camera panning across the frame and horrible CG.
Will we ever see anything like this again?
High quality feature length films? Yes, we have.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
It's funny the turn around Madhouse has had, before HxH '11 they got shat on all the time. Which is kind of deserved, HxH looked really good for a 148 long show
Admiral Woofington
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I loved them since Redline. And the Supernatural anime.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Thank God I'm not a "30 year old man yells at anime cloud" type of person.
hosannainexcelsis
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If people want to see an example of what the top animators of today are capable of, there's some good shorts from the Animator Expo to check out. Hammerhead, for instance, has very strong animation.
Redline would come close, yes.
That's possible; I would need to rewatch these films to make able to comfortably make a comparison of their animation quality. I suspect details such as the lipsync in Akira would probably make it ultimately the technically superior product, though big Ghibli films obviously sit at the height of how polished Japanese animation gets.
Redline would come close, yes.
That's possible; I would need to rewatch these films to make able to comfortably make a comparison of their animation quality. I suspect details such as the lipsync in Akira would probably make it ultimately the technically superior product, though big Ghibli films obviously sit at the height of how polished Japanese animation gets.
Mauricio_Magus
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There's anime that look like crap and some that look amazing, since forever.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Yeah, AoT at its best is one of the best animated tv series out there, ever really. My jaw was on the floor at some of their segments, even if they had to use still pictures to save money at times.. especially towards the first half of season 1.
I would say it depends on the studios a lot of the time, and sometimes the project they work on as well. Some studios which I won't name, seem like they don't care as much and have ruined some really great series with bad animation and horrible pacing to the point that I no longer watch their animes. So bad I only stick to the manga now, which is a shame because I believe anime should be better than the manga if done very well. -_-
Enter the Dragon Punch
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MetroidPrimeRib
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Yes, many Animator Expos shorts show there are a bunch of talented and passionate animators and directors out there. Hammerhead is a really good one to watch, excellent animation.
FO-totality
Poet Centuriate
They also did a lot of Satoshi Kon's most memorable works too.
Trickster
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I tried, but I was bored out of my mind within 5 minutes. Characters are so dull and settings are, well, they're high school anime's for christ sake.
I liked Nichijou because it was so over the top insane. But most of what they make is so goddamn dull and generic.
Redline is the best piece of animation I've ever watched. And they make much more diverse and interesting stuff than Kyoto does. So I like that studio
Thread delivered... Move on people Kappa
I wouldn't call most of those recent. Sword of the Stranger is nowhere near Akira level. And Ghibli's stuff hasn't matched their older output after Spirited Away. Heck, even Porco Rosso blows most films released this decade away.
psynergylover
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Bravo Toei
LMAO!!! please tell me that's not real!?
plasmawave
Banned
A lot of the good looking OVA's, films and series were released during the Bubble Economy which was around 1986 and 1991. The Bubble Economy itself was a time within Japan where the economy was massively inflated, with the stock market prices and the price of land and such was exaggerated as precedence was placed on stock investment rather than an increase in capitol and productivity. Obviously with that came the inevitable burst which lead to a time which was known as the Lost Decade, a 10 year stretch of setbacks for Japan which Japan is still affected by to this day. I think after the burst there was some visible resentment from creators in the industry like Miyazaki in regards to how Japan was bulldozing over land during this period and this could be seen in a lot of Ghibli films of that era which may go to explain why those films focused on the events that they chose to is clear when you look at where Japan was at that time. During the lost decade, Japan fell behind everyone else and a lot of vision was lost.
I'd go as far as to say that the Bubble Economy itself is largely accountable for why so many cult series and films like Angels Egg and Akira were released during that era, because a lot more people had disposable income to spend on tapes and such and why after the burst this declined as people become more conscious of both spending money in regards to consumers as well as funding from the film-making side of things.
I'd go as far as to say that the Bubble Economy itself is largely accountable for why so many cult series and films like Angels Egg and Akira were released during that era, because a lot more people had disposable income to spend on tapes and such and why after the burst this declined as people become more conscious of both spending money in regards to consumers as well as funding from the film-making side of things.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
It would be hard for me to choose the best looking movie but it's either Angel's Egg from 1985, Akira from 1988, Jin-Roh from 1999 or Redline from 2009.
They are all different as to why they are so mindblowing though.
What counts as recent then? Paprika was 2006, Redline was 2009, the last Rebuild was 2013...
They are all different as to why they are so mindblowing though.
What counts as recent then? Paprika was 2006, Redline was 2009, the last Rebuild was 2013...
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
Ponyo has really really amazing animation. It gets a bad rep because it's a super kiddy film and the story isn't really memorable by any means, but the technical quality of the animation is superb. Animating water by hand is really hard, and the entire film is filled with great large scale set pieces using liquid effects and lots of details.
Secret Fawful
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Those animated Attack on Titan shots are absolute ass. The coloring is gross, especially on the characters. It's all plastic looking, and the second one has that ugly green chromatic aberration looking filter. I hate it. I hate the digital-looking, plastic coloring. The actual animation is great, but ruined by the coloring. The last anime tv series that came out that I felt looked truly incredible was Fullmetal Alchemist 04, but Brotherhood had such crap plastic shading and inconsistent faces. So many modern anime I've tried to watch have had this problem, and sometimes I just have to bear with it. Actually, Denno Coil looked fairly good, as did Flowers of Evil. If Attack on Titan were colored differently I might like it more, but it hurts my eyes.
plasmawave
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What is your definition of recent then? Redline was 2009. Princess Kaguya was last year.
Admiral Woofington
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I implore you to reconsider watching Hyouka again.
If you're a fan of mystery novels/movies, and are even remotely interested in say Sherlock Holmes, it's worth a watch as characters and relationships are directly inspired from Sherlock Holmes.
But yes if you don't like Hyouka chances are you won't like any of their other stuff, except for maybe Fullmetal Panic.
It's not just anime. Cartoons in general were better in the eighties, also the western ones. Stuff like the Inhumanoids, GI Joe, Mask, Bravestarr, there were a lot of interesting cartoons. Probably the market was bigger. Now you have Disney live action shows and computer animated stuff. I can imagine that Japan finds itself with less competition and starts winging it.
Sibersk Esto
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They were??? Before HxH they had stuff like Black Lagoon, Death Note, The first season of LOGH, Ippo, Monster, and Texhnolyze. They were always mostly ace when it came to animation in my book.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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In terms of high action sequences, Gurren Lagann did a fantastic job - but you can't really post .gifs of it because it's ALL spoilers
Pegosaurus
Banned
really? I didn't know that. With Redline, Summer Wars, and Paprika (granted, all of these are movies), I've liked them for quite a while now.
Hunter x Hunter 2011 is really what sealed the deal on them being my current favorite japanese animation studio. They really did the manga justice (even in the Ant Arc IMO).
oh yeah, all of this stuff too, I forgot they did Death Note, Black Lagoon, and Monster.
They did Birdy the Mighty as well, which was a series I enjoyed.
edit: I know this is after/during HxH, but they also animated Parasyte, which looked great
double edit: oops, Madhouse did the Birdy OVA, not the series. A-1 did that.
MetroidPrimeRib
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It was mostly "lol Madhouse is gonna die" sometime around when they were bought by Nihon TV because of financial issues.
Anime is STILL hand drawn
Secret Fawful
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Actually, even though it's still a little too clean, I agree that it's the creme of the crop. I did really like Gurren Lagann.
Difference being I can barely find *anything* to pick over the last 7 or 8 years. At least from TV.
Most of what was produced before then doesn't appeal to me either, but there was definitely more than now and even if the show sucked the art was good some of the time.
True. Howl's Moving Castle has amazing art direction too. Too bad it gets a bad rep too for being a bad adaption.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's a series and a manga; actually its literally the most popular anime/manga other than One Piece
MetroidPrimeRib
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That's alright, I feel the same way about Ufotable. Talented people (who love filters too much) stuck making porn VN and bad game adaptations
I'm sorry, are you joking?
The 80s were a terrible time for American cartoons. Tons of shitty toy licensed cartoons.
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