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WWDC09 Thread of iPhones and Snow Leopards

Sentry said:
Honestly, this is the reason the current exposé is better, the windows appear as large as they can be because they don't have to be alligned to some specific organized grid.
The new Exposé tries to keep order to the chaos, but it's not there completely yet. IMHO, it's great, with the labels and all, but the alignment is a bit off so far, and it doesn't order them by app which I think it should. It does still arrange them based on their location though. But they don't scale to the same scales rather just to whatever the size of the box on the grid is.
 
Jasoco said:
The new Exposé tries to keep order to the chaos, but it's not there completely yet. IMHO, it's great, with the labels and all, but the alignment is a bit off so far, and it doesn't order them by app which I think it should. It does still arrange them based on their location though. But they don't scale to the same scales rather just to whatever the size of the box on the grid is.
I see, still seems a bit overkill if you ask me.. I like the new labels without having to hover over each window, but there is too much sacrificed space that could be used to make the frames a tad larger. I wouldn't say it was chaos previously though, but an otion between the two might be nice.
 
Jasoco said:
Which DOESN'T WORK IN FIREFOX those idiots. (The Mozilla OS X people that is.) Would it be so hard for the OS X people to implement native support for Apple's own features like spell checking, text correction and the Dictionary.app instead of implementing their own? I use OS X, I want to USE OS X'S FEATURES!
Because, as a multiplatform application, they want something that works equally well to all targets.

What you want is Camino. :P
 
yeah but Camino + firefox extension support would be awesome. (And is not gonna happen).

Otherwise what's the point in using Camino instead of Safari?
 
Sentry said:
I see, still seems a bit overkill if you ask me.. I like the new labels without having to hover over each window, but there is too much sacrificed space that could be used to make the frames a tad larger. I wouldn't say it was chaos previously though, but an otion between the two might be nice.
You'll learn to love the new expose once dealing with more than 5 windows. The grid sorts it and just makes it easier to identify the window you want, instead of it a jumbled mess. (at least for me)

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giga said:
You'll learn to love the new expose once dealing with more than 5 windows. The grid sorts it and just makes it easier to identify the window you want, instead of it a jumbled mess. (at least for me)
http://i26.tinypic.com/28i2tj8.png[IMG] vs [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/dm2s8j.png[IMG][/QUOTE]
I do deal with 5+ windows most of the time, that isn't even a great comparison due to the fact that all the windows in the SL version are basically the same exact proportions as one another, unlike the prior screen. When you have a ton of windows and most varry in size, and you try to put the in a grid it sort of looks odd and like a waste of space. But like I said that's why I hope it's just an option, everyone has their own preference. I personally don't mind it but I somewhat like the standard version a bit more.
 
rex64 said:
yeah but Camino + firefox extension support would be awesome. (And is not gonna happen).

Otherwise what's the point in using Camino instead of Safari?
I just want Firefox to get a little custom love based on the platforms each version is compiled for. The Windows group can implement Windows features only Windows has, the Linux group can implement whatever Linux only features that OS has and the OS X group can implement whatever cool things OS X does that the other two OS' do. There's just too much on each OS to take advantage of that they're leaving out.

Camino would be good if it could support every Firefox extension. Camino is a nice idea, but it needs to be loved a little more. Add-on support is important.

And for the love of Mike, can we please get all the browsers to support putting all of a windows tabs in the Dock menu? What is taking so long? This isn't like a feature that can't be done yet, apps have had the ability to add stuff to the Dock menu for years. I'm still holding out for Tab Exposé too. Where any browser with tabs will explode and display all tabs as separate windows when going into Exposé mode. You'd think the popularity of tabs would have brought upon a new way of finding the right tab content easily. Windows 7 seems to be doing this right with IE8. How long before all the other browsers and OS' follow suit? Does Windows 7's tab display feature work only in IE8? Or would it work on Firefox as well? (I can see it being an IE8 only thing.)
 
Sentry said:
I do deal with 5+ windows most of the time, that isn't even a great comparison due to the fact that all the windows in the SL version are basically the same exact proportions as one another, unlike the prior screen. When you have a ton of windows and most varry in size, and you try to put the in a grid it sort of looks odd and like a waste of space. But like I said that's why I hope it's just an option, everyone has their own preference. I personally don't mind it but I somewhat like the standard version a bit more.

Yeah, I'm not at all liking the fact that it looks like all of the windows are the same size proportionally. The great thing about Expose currently is that the windows being sized according to their actual size makes it easier to find thing by sight.

But, indeed, I'd love to have the option to pick how I want it to work. Unfortunately, Apple has a history of being god-awful at giving users choice in options.
 
shidoshi said:
Unfortunately, Apple has a history of being god-awful at giving users choice in options.
Yup, that much about Apple is true. :lol Which really sucks honestly, hell why don't they have an option to display the options if they want everything to be so damn streamlined.

Anyways, it's not a huge deal anyways, the OS is great as it is either way at this point.
 
Sentry said:
I do deal with 5+ windows most of the time, that isn't even a great comparison due to the fact that all the windows in the SL version are basically the same exact proportions as one another, unlike the prior screen. When you have a ton of windows and most varry in size, and you try to put the in a grid it sort of looks odd and like a waste of space. But like I said that's why I hope it's just an option, everyone has their own preference. I personally don't mind it but I somewhat like the standard version a bit more.
Eh, just take out the stickies and itunes controller and they'll be mostly proportional. :lol It's a tradeoff, but is it what it is and there's a 5% chance of Apple giving you an option to change it. :/
 
giga said:
Eh, just take out the stickies and itunes controller and they'll be mostly proportional. :lol It's a tradeoff, but is it what it is and there's a 5% chance of Apple giving you an option to change it. :/
That was my point :lol And yeah, it's unlikely.. but i'll live, seriously though OS talk can get sooo anal sometimes.
 
Gotta love the over-exuberant macrumors member who posts his personal email in a screenshot on the net plus pirated versions of tv shows on the desktop
:lol
 
infiniteloop said:
New 10.6 update is out, some bugs fixes. QT has a new icon:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2452/3753054975_f47045dc63_o.png[IMG][/QUOTE]
About time. I knew it would come. Also, why couldn't this update come out two days ago when I had to reinstall every update one at a time anyway?

421. Hmm.. can't wait to see what else is new in this one.

[QUOTE=SnakeXs]Dear Lord Windows Live Messenger client. Why. Just why.[/QUOTE]
Haha.. yeah, I was wondering the same thing. My god, hasn't he heard of Adium?

[QUOTE=ombz]The new features in Exposé don't affect me greatly since I usually only have one or two windows open at a time.[/QUOTE]
God, Exposé is like a miracle for me. I usually have so many windows open. The old Exposé was awesome, but SL's Exposé took it to 11.
 
What's wrong with Windows Live Messenger client? It'a lovely piece of software :D

I mean, it's simple & clean without useless feature.
 
rex64 said:
What's wrong with Windows Live Messenger client? It'a lovely piece of software :D

I mean, it's simple & clean without useless feature.

Jasoco said:
Haha.. yeah, I was wondering the same thing. My god, hasn't he heard of Adium?

.
 
Jasoco said:
Haha.. yeah, I was wondering the same thing. My god, hasn't he heard of Adium?

speaking of adium, every update since about 1.3.1 has caused issues for my bf's install.

every time he tries to connect MSN it stops at 'retrieving buddy list - 100%' and then won't log on. if he stays on the earlier version it seems to work but it still has a few bugs of its own :( seems like a known bug but hasn't been fixed so far it would appear.
 
Don't know. Might be a problem with MSN. I don't know though because none of my friends use MSN. All my friends use AIM.

From MacRumors, a poster pointed out the release schedule of Snow Leopard so far:

Mac OS X 10.6 Builds
2008
Jun 09 - WWDC 2008 Developer Preview
Oct 25 - 10A190
Dec 04 - 10A222

2009
Feb 04 - 10A261
Mar 06 - 10A286
Jun 11 - 10A380 WWDC 2009 Developer Preview
June 24 - 10a394
Jul 09 - 10A402
Jul 17 - 10A411a
Jul 24 - 10a421a

Looks like the updates to the WWDC build come about a week apart. I wonder if we'll be getting one every week or two from then until the release? Would be neat. Like a new present every week. As long as there's at least one thing changed graphically. 13, 15, 8, 7... New release by Friday? ;)
 
Flash in a separate process from Safari.

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If you force quit the process it'll kill the plug-in. Reload the page to restart it.

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And the new Quicktime X browser plugin. (though it sometimes loads the old one on specific web sites)

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When Safari 4 crashes under Leopard, it now tells you what made it crash. Every fucking time it's Flash. I can't wait 'til Snow Leopard's separate plugin processes for that reason alone.
 
infiniteloop said:
New 10.6 update is out, some bugs fixes. QT has a new icon:

Quicktime.png
Yeah it's ugly and doesn't fit the current ui colors or design. Hope they are keeping a surprise for launch.
 
Phoenix said:
Yeah it's ugly and doesn't fit the current ui colors or design. Hope they are keeping a surprise for launch.
Although I'd agree with you, the weirdest thing they've done is miss out 2 versions of Quicktime! :P

It's just a 10 for the sake of being a 10.
 
presumably the new icon will fit in better with the new look once its out. the whole style of quicktime has changed pretty drastically
 
Can you run an embedded quicktime movie in fullscreen yet?

One thing I miss about windows media player, could just double click the video to go full screen.
 
Does anyone know if Snow Leopard will support hardware accelerated video decoding? I have a Santa Rosa MacBook Pro from mid 2007 with GeForce 8600M GT 128MB video RAM. Would be awesome if they add support for that.
 
drthkid said:
Does anyone know if Snow Leopard will support hardware accelerated video decoding? I have a Santa Rosa MacBook Pro from mid 2007 with GeForce 8600M GT 128MB video RAM. Would be awesome if they add support for that.
 
QuickTime H.264 hardware acceleration
requires a Mac with a NVIDIA 9400M graphics processor.
 
Burai said:
When Safari 4 crashes under Leopard, it now tells you what made it crash. Every fucking time it's Flash. I can't wait 'til Snow Leopard's separate plugin processes for that reason alone.
Kinda wish I used Safari now. But I'll stick with FireFox. Hopefully the Mozilla team does this for 3.6 or 3.7. Because yeah, Flash sucks so much ass. Everytime I go to a page with Flash that I haven't blocked with Click2Flash FF's Real Memory usage goes up another half a megabyte or so.

Charred Greyface said:
Is the grid stack for popup of folders in the Dock still limited to 79 icons in Snow Leopard?
No. It has a scrollbar and shows all icons. 24 fit on a single page for me. But it scrolls all the way to the bottom. EVERY SINGLE FILE. Even in folders with hundreds of files. So nice.

The only thing that bothers me is that the "sorting" options for Stacks only apply to the first folder, if you dig down deeper the sorting reverts to alphabetical by name.

I have my Downloads folder in my Dock. It is sorted by Date Added. If I open Downloads, it sorts by Added. But if I click into the folder tree, all folders are alphabetical passed the first level. No matter what my Stack is initially ordered by.

I really hope this is an oversight that will be fixed by September launch.
 
Burai said:
When Safari 4 crashes under Leopard, it now tells you what made it crash. Every fucking time it's Flash. I can't wait 'til Snow Leopard's separate plugin processes for that reason alone.

I've had to switch to firefox. Safari is just too slow. I know they say it's the fastest browser in the world, but they don't actually factor in that some people use flash, with 6 tabs open, and animated gifs in some. It simply renders the thing unusable.

I'm always getting popups saying something like 'a script is causing flash to perform slowly' or whatever. Slowly ? You mean lock up my browser for 30 seconds ?

Firefox works.

(also, I realise it's not all Apple's fault. Adobe are useless fucks).
 
panda21 said:
QuickTime H.264 hardware acceleration
requires a Mac with a NVIDIA 9400M graphics processor. 

Sorry if i wasn't clear. I've seen that blurb on the Snow Leopard tech specs page on the Apple website before. What I meant to ask was is there any chance they will support the older gpu that I have. From my googling, the 8600M GT definitely has the silicon to support it. It has the same PureVideo2 processing engine. I would think that older machines would benefit more from the acceleration than the newer machines. 8600M GT supports hardware acceleration in Windows so it seems like a dick move on Apple's part if 9400M is the minimum.
 
drthkid said:
Sorry if i wasn't clear. I've seen that blurb on the Snow Leopard tech specs page on the Apple website before. What I meant to ask was is there any chance they will support the older gpu that I have. From my googling, the 8600M GT definitely has the silicon to support it. It has the same PureVideo2 processing engine. I would think that older machines would benefit more from the acceleration than the newer machines. 8600M GT supports hardware acceleration in Windows so it seems like a dick move on Apple's part if 9400M is the minimum.

Hmm, sounds exactly like something Apple would do.

(I have a SR MBP also)
 
Burger said:
I've had to switch to firefox. Safari is just too slow. I know they say it's the fastest browser in the world, but they don't actually factor in that some people use flash, with 6 tabs open, and animated gifs in some. It simply renders the thing unusable.
The last page alone of the Star Trek GIF's thread in Firefox sucked up 777.7MB of real memory and 650MB of virtual memory yesterday when I entered it.

I had to quit Firefox to get that memory back at which point the green pie section in Activity Monitor jumped from a pixel wide to 45% of the pie. Firefox was using all my memory for GIF's it wasn't leaving enough for iTunes and Bowtie. The other two competitors in my memory usage contest.

This is on Snow Leopard of course. Otherwise Firefox is fine. It's just no browser handles GIF's well. You have to realize animated GIF's are basically videos, but they aren't streaming so the browser needs to load every frame into memory. And in a GIF thread, that's a lot of memory.

As a test I think I'll download every GIF on that page into a folder and see how big it is compared to the amount of memory Firefox was using for them.
 
Charred Greyface said:
Can you rearrange the (user added) menubar icons properly in Snow Leopard?
Only Apples and certain third parties.

I explained this in such good detail elsewhere. I wish I could remember where it was.

Basically, Apple's and certain third parties like iSlayer, utilize a certain app called "SystemUIServer" which is a special app container that sits in the menubar to the left of the Spotlight menu and houses any "Menulings" you launch. Those menus such as Battery, Airport, Time Machine, Volume, etc are special in that they simply inject themselves into SystemUIServer and SystemUIServer gains control over how to display them allowing the user to move them and remove them like you can icons in the Dock. In other words, SystemUIServer acts like a Dock for your menubar. But only specially coded apps can go up in it. Others have to "hack" themselves into the menubar.

But unfortunately Apple never opened this feature up to third parties, and only ones who cracked the code know how to put their utilities up there. And even then, only certain self-contained apps can actally go in there. Big apps like DragThing and WeatherPop are too big to be contained inside SystemUIServer, since adding an icon to SystemUIServer launches it and removing it quits it, you can't have that same simple control over things like DragThing etc.

Apps like PTHPasteBoard though allow simple control over where the app goes, but only from a choice of three places. Far right which places it to the right of SystemUIServer. Far Left which places it leftmost. And Middle, which places it directly to the left of SystemUIServer depending on the launch order.

So to answer the question, no. It does not, because only certain apps work that way. Other apps that place themselves in a menubar simply do not have the ability to do it. And sadly that is how it will always be until the app creator creates a separate app to sit in the menubar while the main app runs iconless in the background.
 
does perian let quicktime play mkvs on leopard? i can't do it on snow leopard but perian says it can. the new quicktime is pretty nice so i want to use that to play everything.

vlc pissed me off one time too many today with its constant freezing the video and dropping key frames whenever there is anything mildly taxing going on with the cpu/hdd. even opening a new page in safari does it sometimes in the latest version.

i tried the newish mplayer thing but it felt really buggy
 
panda21 said:
does perian let quicktime play mkvs on leopard? i can't do it on snow leopard but perian says it can. the new quicktime is pretty nice so i want to use that to play everything.

vlc pissed me off one time too many today with its constant freezing the video and dropping key frames whenever there is anything mildly taxing going on with the cpu/hdd. even opening a new page in safari does it sometimes in the latest version.

i tried the newish mplayer thing but it felt really buggy
It does on 10.5, but not 10.6. Use Plex for now.
 
so installing niceplayer it seems to recognise them now :D

something to do with UTI whatever that is.

i've slowly gone from using firefox, thunderbird, songbird and vlc in 10.4 to safari (since 4), mail, itunes and now quicktime+perian in snow leopard :D
 
panda21 said:
so installing niceplayer it seems to recognise them now :D

something to do with UTI whatever that is.

i've slowly gone from using firefox, thunderbird, songbird and vlc in 10.4 to safari (since 4), mail, itunes and now quicktime+perian in snow leopard :D
Oh awesome. Thanks for the NicePlayer tip. MKVs are playing as usual now in Quicktime.
 
Does anyone still have the youtube video of the guy booting snow leopard and restarting with a ssd? I've searched this thread and youtube and can't find it for the life of me. :/
 
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