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WWDC11 Thread of iOS 5, Mac OS X Lion and iCloud

Kung Fu Jedi said:
Of course data plans existed before the iPhone, I didn't say that they didn't. But lets face, it iPhones brought data plans to the masses and to argue otherwise is quite silly.
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If you competly ignore the blackberry sure.
 
Alfarif said:
So you've never had an issue where a perfectly clean image is pixelated to high hell after syncing? It started happening when I switched to Aperture at the release of A3. Almost all my images are pixelated messes. I've done the rebuilding of thumbnails and the whole jazz and apparently this is a long standing issue. it sucks because not all of the images look like garbage, so there is defeinitely something going on with what Apple's doing with the transfer from Aperture
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No, but to be honest I haven't messed with it since getting the 4 all that much. I lament the 16gb daily! It was plenty of room on the 3G but the 4 demands space.

Now with all the "cloud" stuff IDK if I will ever store a bunch of photos on my iPhone. Most of my stuff is uploaded to googles pic hosting, or Facebook.
 
Yeah I usually have stuff on Flickr but AT&T kind of blows in my area so it's nice to have stuff on my phone too for times when accessing a site will take all damn day.
 
Flo_Evans said:
If you competly ignore the blackberry sure.
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Fair enough, but I know far more people with iPhones than Blackberries. Sure, the Blackberry required a data plan, but they mostly remained in the realm of a business tool. As, I said, the iPhone brought the data plan to the masses.

But what ever. The point is the a carriers don't have any place to complain. Apple has brought them plenty positive benefits, and iMessages isn't going to kill SMS. It might lower the number of text sent, but we don't see the carriers getting all that bent out of shape with BBM.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Of course data plans existed before the iPhone, I didn't say that they didn't. But lets face, it iPhones brought data plans to the masses and to argue otherwise is quite silly.
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Yeah... what are you smoking dude. Data plans were VERY common before the iPhone came around.
 
Sean said:
I attached six pics in iMessage and it was still letting me continue to add more, so if there is a limit it's pretty reasonable imo. Don't have anything else (no videos etc) on my iPad at the moment to try.



Not on the iPhone, as of the most recently released official version (4.3.3) it's still called iPod. It's only been Music/Videos on iPod Touch and iPad.
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Actually it was iPod (with both music and video) on iPhone, Music and Video on iPod touch, and iPod and Video on iPad.

Strange, but at least it's all unified now.
 
Kung Fu Jedi said:
Fair enough, but I know far more people with iPhones than Blackberries. Sure, the Blackberry required a data plan, but they mostly remained in the realm of a business tool. As, I said, the iPhone brought the data plan to the masses.

But what ever. The point is the a carriers don't have any place to complain. Apple has brought them plenty positive benefits, and iMessages isn't going to kill SMS. It might lower the number of text sent, but we don't see the carriers getting all that bent out of shape with BBM.
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Because they were charging extra for BB data plans.

I might be wrong, but BB data plans were always more expensive than regular smartphone data plans.
 
bananas said:
Actually it was iPod (with both music and video) on iPhone, Music and Video on iPod touch, and iPod and Video on iPad.

Strange, but at least it's all unified now.
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I hope iTunes for OS X 10.8 gets broken up as iTMS, Music and Video too.
 
Copernicus said:
Because they were charging extra for BB data plans.

I might be wrong, but BB data plans were always more expensive than regular smartphone data plans.
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Pretty much. 90% of blackberry users where corprate plans, charge out the ass.

I just find some peoples omg apple invented all this a bit funny. Of course most peoples 1st smartphone was an idevice, but before that other companies had apps, music players, video and web browsers on phones!

But yes, apple did expand the market from business and tech geeks to moms.
 
Flo_Evans said:
Pretty much. 90% of blackberry users where corprate plans, charge out the ass.

I just find some peoples omg apple invented all this a bit funny. Of course most peoples 1st smartphone was an idevice, but before that other companies had apps, music players, video and web browsers on phones!

But yes, apple did expand the market from business and tech geeks to moms.
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True, but music players sucked ass on all phones that wasn't an iPhone. Heck, they still might. Is the android music player any good? I had several phones that played mp3s prior to the iPhone and they were all pretty terrible. I can't even really imagine it anymore, I have a huge library in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and French - I would literally go insane if I still had to use a device that can't even render the text properly.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
True, but music players sucked ass on all phones that wasn't an iPhone. Heck, they still might. Is the android music player any good? I had several phones that played mp3s prior to the iPhone and they were all pretty terrible. I can't even really imagine it anymore, I have a huge library in Japanese, Chinese, Korean, and French - I would literally go insane if I still had to use a device that can't even render the text properly.
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My sony Ericsson was awesome at music. Had way better speakers for hotel room rocking out too :)

I bet if I found it and tried it now it would suck. But I loved that thing back in the day!
 
OK something is ABSOLUTELY chewing through my iPhone 4 storage space. I have 13 GB of "other", which I've never had a problem with before until iOS 5. Does anyone know how to resolve this? I noticed the "Other" space kept creeping up when I was adding song, but I know I have nothing approaching 13GB of space with only 30 albums on my phone.
 
BigNastyCurve said:
OK something is ABSOLUTELY chewing through my iPhone 4 storage space. I have 13 GB of "other", which I've never had a problem with before until iOS 5. Does anyone know how to resolve this? I noticed the "Other" space kept creeping up when I was adding song, but I know I have nothing approaching 13GB of space with only 30 albums on my phone.
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Have you jailbroken?
 
Technosteve said:
Safari with tabs and split keyboard typing where have you been all my life.
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Yeah, the keyboard is awesome. And Safari is almost enough now for me to switch back. All it needs is a gesture to switch tabs. I know tabs are for switching tabs, but I like dragging the tab to the left and switching to the next tab in iCab. Sadly iCab doesn't work in iOS5 currently. Crashy crashy crash.
 
BigNastyCurve said:
iOS 5? No. I didn't even know it was an option yet. iOS 4.x was though.
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And you restored from backup? I don't remember, but that may stand through backups and that's why it's still there.
 
When are the next macbook pro updates anticipated to arrive? Do you think that with the release of Lion, they'll also update the machines, even minimally?
 
Would be great if they pushed new podcast downloads to the phone (dunno if it does that or not for podcasts you already have subscriptions to - doesn't do that for new subscriptions).

Also, so if it's going to backup and push content to your device wirelessly now shouldn't your iDevice show up in iTunes under "devices" when you're plugged into power and connected to the same wifi network as your computer? It still only shows when you're hooked up to your Mac via the dock connector.
 
SuperPac said:
Would be great if they pushed new podcast downloads to the phone (dunno if it does that or not for podcasts you already have subscriptions to - doesn't do that for new subscriptions).

Also, so if it's going to backup and push content to your device wirelessly now shouldn't your iDevice show up in iTunes under "devices" when you're plugged into power and connected to the same wifi network as your computer? It still only shows when you're hooked up to your Mac via the dock connector.
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I think it should never show up, and the only reason it shows up when you plug it in is because of all the legacy code that is not likely to be changed for a while, and for compatibility with 'dumb' iPods such as the shuffle and nano.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
I think it should never show up, and the only reason it shows up when you plug it in is because of all the legacy code that is not likely to be changed for a while, and for compatibility with 'dumb' iPods such as the shuffle and nano.
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Well, but that devices screen is useful for things like specifying which TV shows/episodes you would want to sync, which podcasts you want, playlists you want, transferring rented movies, pick ripped/owned movies to sync, etc. It does have some utility to it.

WordAssassin said:
Also, Wireless iTunes Sync doesn't work in iOS 5 beta 1.
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Oh. nm then! :)
 
SuperPac said:
Well, but that devices screen is useful for things like specifying which TV shows/episodes you would want to sync, which podcasts you want, playlists you want, transferring rented movies, pick ripped/owned movies to sync, etc. It does have some utility to it.
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Oh there is utility in it, however they need to figure out a new way - I want iTunes(and other Apps on the Mac) and the Apps on the iDevices to be equals - they have to be for the Post-PC world. iTunes is a hydra that needs to be slayed. Breaking it into iTMS/Music/Videos is the right path.
 
Can't wait for the next beta... soooo many weird little bugs in this one. I've ran across a couple dozen at least. Still, I'm sticking with it. Way too many improvements, can't go back. Unfortunately, iOS5 really shines with multiple iOS devices, Lion, and ATV2.. none of which I have.
 
Paradoxal_Utopia said:
Can't wait for the next beta... soooo many weird little bugs in this one. I've ran across a couple dozen at least. Still, I'm sticking with it. Way too many improvements, can't go back. Unfortunately, iOS5 really shines with multiple iOS devices, Lion, and ATV2.. none of which I have.
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I agree but I need Netflix to be up and running so I just went back to 4.3.3. I'm gonna miss the new notifications the most. D=
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
Oh there is utility in it, however they need to figure out a new way - I want iTunes(and other Apps on the Mac) and the Apps on the iDevices to be equals - they have to be for the Post-PC world. iTunes is a hydra that needs to be slayed. Breaking it into iTMS/Music/Videos is the right path.
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It's never going to happen, so give up the dream. They put everything in iTunes because that's the only way to know that all of their stuff gets on Windows computers.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's never going to happen, so give up the dream. They put everything in iTunes because that's the only way to know that all of their stuff gets on Windows computers.
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But that's the great thing about iCloud, it's now(and increasingly in the future) the hub instead of iTunes. A lot of features can be removed from iTunes when the only things it needs to sync are the 'dumb' iPods that only take music. (except for the iPod classic which will sooner than later be phased out completely)

Is it so wrong to be an idealist?

Edit: Oh, and if I was a betting man, I'd guess that even the low end iPods will get wireless transfer in the next 5-10 years, wifi chips will only continue to get smaller and cheaper.
 
How are they going to get iCloud to automatically sync apps, books, photos, music, etc on the Windows computer? :)

iTunes isn't the central hub anymore, but it's still the only way to get things from devices and servers onto a computer.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
But that's the great thing about iCloud, it's now(and increasingly in the future) the hub instead of iTunes. A lot of features can be removed from iTunes when the only things it needs to sync are the 'dumb' iPods that only take music. (except for the iPod classic which will sooner than later be phased out completely)
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How do you put music you didn’t buy from iTunes onto your iPhone then?
 
I think you guys are getting too idealistic about what Jobs meant by demoting the PC. It's still a self-sufficient hub full of data, but now the iOS devices can fill that role too.

But you're always going to need iTunes on your computer just like you're always going to need a Music app, App Store app, iTunes app, Photos app, etc. You can't just turn everything into a dumb terminal plugged into the Internet.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
How are they going to get iCloud to automatically sync apps, books, photos, music, etc on the Windows computer? :)

iTunes isn't the central hub anymore, but it's still the only way to get things from devices and servers onto a computer.
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Who needs a windows computer now? It's officially the post PC era.

Seriously though, if Apple jumps on the NAS train they can take even more advantage of their ecosystem and decoupling them from needing an active hub and into a passive hub.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
How are they going to get iCloud to automatically sync apps, books, photos, music, etc on the Windows computer? :)

iTunes isn't the central hub anymore, but it's still the only way to get things from devices and servers onto a computer.
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Why do they need to sync to the Windows computer?

There actually is the option in the welcome screen of the iDevice to just load everything from iCloud, and you can choose to back up to iCloud only in the settings (if you flick that switch, it warns that it will STOP backing up with iTunes). The limitation right now is 5 gb (but they left hooks for buying more space) and 20,000 songs if you pay $25/year, and there still is the hole with movies/videos.

However, seeing the popularity of iDevices in China, where personal PCs aren't as common, makes me think that they really are serious about getting as PC-free as they can.

If they want to hook people on the iTunes Store, they still can--its on every iDevice sold.
 
Will I automatically be charged extra for enabling wifi hotspot on a Verizon iPhone? This is not in my dataplan but the option has appeared, is this an oversight?
 
numble said:
Why do they need to sync to the Windows computer?

There actually is the option in the welcome screen of the iDevice to just load everything from iCloud, and you can choose to back up to iCloud only in the settings (if you flick that switch, it warns that it will STOP backing up with iTunes). The limitation right now is 5 gb (but they left hooks for buying more space) and 20,000 songs if you pay $25/year, and there still is the hole with movies/videos.

However, seeing the popularity of iDevices in China, where personal PCs aren't as common, makes me think that they really are serious about getting as PC-free as they can.

If they want to hook people on the iTunes Store, they still can--its on every iDevice sold.
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I'm talking about if you have a Windows computer that you want to put stuff on just to have the stuff on there, not as a device sync hub.
 
I don't know all the details of how Apple is going to transition to having iDevices be completely PC independent, but if I had a time machine, and went back to October 2001, and posted on the Gaming-Age forums telling everyone that in 6 years Apple would release a full color buttonless iPod that would download songs directly over the air and browse the web you would all laugh at me.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
I don't know all the details of how Apple is going to transition to having iDevices be completely PC independent, but if I had a time machine, and went back to October 2001, and posted on the Gaming-Age forums telling everyone that in 6 years Apple would release a full color buttonless iPod that would download songs directly over the air and browse the web you would all laugh at me.
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Not really. Back during the PalmOS days people were talking about similar things (no music store) and there were products on WIndows Mobile and such that did it (as well as some J2ME applications). The problem was that with data plans at the time it was entirely impractical to transfer the data OTA.
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
I don't know all the details of how Apple is going to transition to having iDevices be completely PC independent, but if I had a time machine, and went back to October 2001, and posted on the Gaming-Age forums telling everyone that in 6 years Apple would release a full color buttonless iPod that would download songs directly over the air and browse the web you would all laugh at me.
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Imagine if you had said Apple would become the tech company with the biggest market value!
 
ivedoneyourmom said:
I hope iTunes for OS X 10.8 gets broken up as iTMS, Music and Video too.
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There are always 2 - a master and an apprentice. iOS has proven itself the master, and the apprentice will learn those lessons soon enough.
 
For the iOS wireless App sync, what if I choose not to put all apps on my iPhone and iPad? Does it keep redownloading apps I don't want to sync?

Also for games, does it cause save files to sync?
 
Rez said:
the OS wide replacement of the iPod button with the Music button is unacceptable. Fix this shit, Apple.
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iPods don't look like this anymore. The Classic is on life support and clearly not part of Apple's future.

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A quaver is a universal symbol for music.
 
Please pardon my ignorance, but as someone who plugs their iPhone into the computer almost every night to charge it (which backs up contacts, messages, apps, photos etc right?) how is iCloud going to benefit me? Or isn't it?

Really looking forward to iOS nonetheless, especially those notifications and the reminders app...
 
Zzoram said:
For the iOS wireless App sync, what if I choose not to put all apps on my iPhone and iPad? Does it keep redownloading apps I don't want to sync?

Also for games, does it cause save files to sync?
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From what I can gather so far, I am able to sync my appdata to the iCloud. I haven't figured out how to set up wireless syncing as far as media/apps go; however, I have been told that it wasn't included in iOS5 beta 1. Assuming those sources are wrong and you have found some way of setting up wireless syncing, DO SHARE!
 
Jill Sandwich said:
Truth.
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It was going to happen sooner or later. With these iCloud and cord-cutting initiatives, it's absolutely clear the classic iPod has no future (well, that's been clear for years). The only question now is when they put that languishing product line out of its misery.
 
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