Enter the Dragon Punch
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XB1 Elite Controller ($150)
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Tales from his ass.
It should be a foregone conclusion that no one wants to pay a lot for anything. Who ever in the history of man said "i'd like to pay a lot of money for that!" only the filthy rich that likes to throw money in the air would do that.
The casing has the rubber grips and a different coat over the entire controller to give it a higher quality feel. I"m pretty sure the casing is still of the same material.
Nice, took Microsoft a bit too long to implement this. i've been asking for this for fucking years.
And that's the problem with people bitching either because it's not coming on their platform, or they deem it too expensive, or just because they want to shit post.
This controller being successful most likely means Sony and other manufacturers will follow. I get giddy just thinking of how much better everyone could be in shooters. Competition is goooooooood
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Papacheeks
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Razor onza wasn't a regular controller.
Arcade sticks and hori pads are not regular controller's.
They use higher quality buttons and switches.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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Can you link me to the teardown where it shows the Elite uses the exact same hardware
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Papacheeks
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Didn't say it used the same hardware, but they use better switches, and buttons, just not removable in the onza.
Papacheeks
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Razor Onza is not a regular controller. Uses razer's mouse switches and tension sticks.
But it's wired, and not part replaceable.
You failed to see where I mentioned arcade sticks with sanwa switches. I own a custom made stick that cost a pretty penny. But it's used for fighting games and arcade system.
These are controllers for consoles, that I understand probably have better switches, and boards in them. And for competative play makes sense. But they are still controllers. It's not like the board and swtiches are placeable, like an arcade stick.
But not worth it for 150$. Can you buy replacement part's? Or are the extra ones they include all you can get for them?
At least with scuff controllers you can buy the part's like an arcade stick.
It's worth it for arcade sticks since you can buy replacement sanwa or semitsu switches, buttons and sticks, even boards.
You can't for this controller.
Which defeats the purpose. Same with over priced racing wheels.
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DJ Lushious
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I've been tossing around getting this controller. My PS4 is my primary system, but I love the vanilla Xbox One controller. The only thing that turns me off on the Elite controller is the underside paddles. I just can't see myself using them; I'm ingrained with the conventional controller style.
Are you forced to use the underside paddles?
You can use anywhere between 0 and 4 of them.
Atlas AS7-K
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What if I told you I don't expect to have to replace the switches with the brand you prefer because the gear in the elite controller isn't the same as the standard bone controller?
You aren't forced to use ANY paddles. You can only have two lower paddles attached, or two upper, or even just ONE paddle. Its totally up to you how you want to get it configured. I think that's the best part.
Even I can't imagine using the upper paddles without changing the way I hold the controller.
Either way, my main reason to get this is the quality. I LOVE those metal buttons, and sticks.
Yes magnet and based on the impressions (previews) they are strong. and hard to take them off once attached.
That's exactly why I'm getting one for my PC. Around three years or so a heavily used controller starts to really degrade to me and the 360 one I currently use is getting pretty bad nowadays. This should last me quite a long time. My XB1 is only for exclusives so the normal pad should work fine for the duration of the generation.
Papacheeks
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Do you know anything about arcade sticks? I know the part's for the Elite are different and from better manufacturing, but it's still in an enclosed shell, that you can not tamper with.
A regular controller is 60-64 bucks. And if your good to them will last a decent while. But can not withstand the same pounding an arcade stick can go through.
Which is my whole argument. i understand the allure of these controller's. But even pro player's I see for consoles don't use a lot of these. Unless they just get them from sponsor's.
150$ for something you can't get replacement part's for and is advertising itself like the scuff controller's at a retail level, is something I have a hard time fathoming.
Arcade sticks make sense because of their purpose, and how they are built, and making replacement part's easily available.
For 99 bucks you can buy a hori stick that can have almost everything replaced at Lizard lick.
If you prefer using a controller for fighting/arcade games the elite controller is not attractive at that price point. Which is why u see a lot of people use the hori fight pad's. because they are cheap to replace once they die, or get beat up enough.
Atlas AS7-K
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I get what you're saying, You would prefer that it could be opened and customized with parts. What you're not getting is, If it holds up, and doesnt have to be opened up and have parts put in it, than your concern is for nothing.
Papacheeks
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Problem is these are not sanwa, or razor switches they are using? They are better than stock xbox switches. And the fact that the extra parts are held on via magnets is a little concerning.
Even scuff controllers have regular soldering , nothing special inside them. The only thing that has changed is the scrapped some of the glue, and solder from the board, and soldering the wiring directly to it making it a little thinner when put together.
There's little risers inside the thumbstick mounts to raise them, so they don't have to rest underneath the plastic, so making it easier to interchange.
But all your doing is changing out the plastic, not the switch and connection that usually over time deteriorate from use and pressure.
Enter the Dragon Punch
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I dont undertstand the debate, the market dictates the price of the controller. People have been shelling out $150-$225 awhile for these controllers. Purchased from 3rd party makers whose controllers do show flaws. So for $150, and first party, I think its pretty damn good. I paid $160 for my PS4 Scuf and it basically a base model, could have been even more if it had the upgrades this Elite controller has.
Papacheeks
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And you over paid for that controller. WHen it breaks or has a short, or the connections on the board go bad. Your out 160$ for a controller with customization.
Hori Fight sticks, and even madcatz sticks last for a long time and most of the innards can be changed completely.
These scuff, and elite controllers are just marketing tools, for people who want to be "competitive". Same goes for Astro gaming headsets. They are nice headsets don't get me wrong, but it's mostly marketing with sponsorship with esports that's made them as popular as they are.
A lot of pro players before they got big sponsor ships used regular ass controllers with maybe Kontrol freaks or something on them.
Now that scuff controllers are big sponsor ship guess the tune has changed.
Dude. Everyone should get warranties on these controllers. Regardless if it's the elite or not. They break, that's just the nature of them. And to ship it back to microsoft or playstation costs you about the same if you went and purchased the Best Buy insurance (walk in, no questions asked and switch it out)
People that play a lot, or competitive players WILL run through multiple controllers. It's physics. I am getting the Elite and believe me i will be purchasing the warranty at best buy.
Marketing tools they are not. Again, for people that play a lot customization and optimization is important. You don't go buy an expensive hockey stick just because it's a marketing tool, it's because of the technology that goes into the expensive ones actually result in real world performance increases.
You WILL be at a disadvantage vs an equally skilled player using a controller that doesn't require him to take his thumbs off the sticks, that's already been proven and why everyone wants these controllers. Argue against it all you want. It's like arguing against aluminum bats vs wood bats in baseball. Aluminum WILL make you hit the ball farther most of the time.
Your comparison with gaming headsets is a bit flawed. Yes, gaming headsets are also a marketing tool, why? Because you could easily go out and get a cheaper over ear open all purpose headset that will sound just as good or better than the over priced "gaming" headsets. But that doesn't negate the fact that headsets are a great "tool" for shooters, allowing you better overall sound quality at cheaper prices than surround sound, which results in real world performance increases by allowing you to hear footsteps more clearly and from a farther distance.
User 479360
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Hopefully this one won't have the disconnect issue. I've eliminated interference but still get it sometimes, even while playing Rock Band.
The issue has nothing to do with controllers unfortunately. It's usually because of the wifi unit in xbone.
Is this expensive? Yes.
Is it similar price to other products? Yes.
Is it worth it?
Well in theory the engineering and manufacturing costs should be higher, better materials, more R&D. It's the same price as 3 standard controllers and should show less wear and tear or reduced feel/performance over time on top of the extra "pro" features and performance so there's probably a case for it.
I always hate the feel of controllers when they wear down and hopefully that won't happen here. But I mainly just want the paddles, hair triggers etc.
Is it similar price to other products? Yes.
Is it worth it?
Well in theory the engineering and manufacturing costs should be higher, better materials, more R&D. It's the same price as 3 standard controllers and should show less wear and tear or reduced feel/performance over time on top of the extra "pro" features and performance so there's probably a case for it.
I always hate the feel of controllers when they wear down and hopefully that won't happen here. But I mainly just want the paddles, hair triggers etc.
Dee Dah Dave
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So whats everyone's ideas on paddle configs for Halo / COD?
I'm thinking -
Jump - Left paddle
Melee - Right paddle
Seems the most obvious to me. I'm not sure how 4 paddles would feel at once but if they are viable stick the other face buttons on them, with jump and melee on the most 'natural' ones.
Hair triggers on, maybe not on ADS / left trigger though.
Also will be interesting to tweak the analogue stick profile curves for aiming.
I can't wait!
I'm thinking -
Jump - Left paddle
Melee - Right paddle
Seems the most obvious to me. I'm not sure how 4 paddles would feel at once but if they are viable stick the other face buttons on them, with jump and melee on the most 'natural' ones.
Hair triggers on, maybe not on ADS / left trigger though.
Also will be interesting to tweak the analogue stick profile curves for aiming.
I can't wait!
Jump on left paddle, possibly something on right paddle. 4 paddles is impossible for anyone with recent muscle memory with regular bace buttons. It's really impossible lmao and the period to adjust would take a very very long time
what i really want to know is when the third party paddle replacements and thumbsticks will be available
Head.spawn
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Not even going to venture into Fighting Sticks, Flight Sticks, Racing Wheels, Rockband-type controllers and such even those are clearly in the same category.
Corsair Gaming K70 RGB - $196
Corsair Vengeance K70 - $170
Corsair Vengeance K95 - $180
Razer BlackWidow Chroma - $170
Razer BlackWidow Ultimate - $130
Mad Catz S.T.R.I.K.E.5 Gaming Keyboard $200
Mad Catz S.T.R.I.K.E.7 Gaming Keyboard - $300
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Razer Mamba (Wireless) - $150
Razer Ouroboros - $150
Razer Epic Chroma - $130
Razer Orbweaver Elite - $130
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Razer Wildcat - $150
Mad Catz® L.Y.N.X.™ 9 Mobile Hybrid Controller - $300
Then you have Scuf Modded Controllers, which is the most comparable thing to what MS is offering with this Elite controller... Prices can easily range from $99-350. They will be offering basic modded Elite controllers starting at $250.
Show me where 'precedent' starts.
I don't see the problem at all either tbh. It's optional. You can play any game you want without this controller. But for the few that want to have it, it is pretty cool that you can go for it.
These controllers are not new either, but people ignored them and nobody cared that they cost more.
I might never have to buy another controller if they sell replacement parts. I wish there was a Dualshock equivalent.
These controllers are not new either, but people ignored them and nobody cared that they cost more.
I might never have to buy another controller if they sell replacement parts. I wish there was a Dualshock equivalent.
Papacheeks
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I am specifically talking about certain genre of peripherals. Astro are pro/mlg player headsets. That are extremely over priced for what they are.
And they are major sponsors for mlg players just like scuff controllers are, and the elite will be as well.
My issue is when it comes mainly to controllers with consoles, they are not like arcade sticks.
But promote them as such for esports. Arcade sticks are for either arcade nuts, or some what serious fighting players.
The elite is targeted towards the serious players for shooters, and has been marketed as such like the scuff controllers.
Arcade stick players in evo don't have warranties on their sticks mainly, want to know why?
They are either sponsored by someone who gives them new sticks, or they can repair them easily by buying new board, switches, joysticks, and buttons from lizard lick.
You can't do that with these controllers. Getting a warranty is meaningless since for scuff controllers you have to send it back to them. If you buy it retail you have to shell out more money or the warranty when The elite is basically Microsoft's version of a scuff controller, but unfortunately controllers are not repairable, you can't buy parts like you can with arcade sticks.
Or people who use fightpads, they only paid 40 bucks, so if it does break, which with hori is not the case, you can buy another for 40$.
Your still almost 80 dollars cheaper than buying an elite, or scuff controller.
VlaudTheImpaler
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I posted this a while back, If you are confused about the pricing I would encourage you to click on the second link and read the Wikipedia article on value based pricing...
VlaudTheImpaler said:
Microsoft does offer you warranty on their peripherals. Even with a little extra nudging you can get them to replace things that are out of warranty. Also, i already pointed out to you that Best Buy and other outlets offer their own warranty. The smart thing to do in this scenario is to get the warranty. You don't have to ship it back to Best Buy if there is one close to you. You walk in and switch it out.
The amount of controllers i've had break or wear out per year has to be around 2+. Never has 1 controller lasted me all year. Never. No matter what console. So, i get the warranty. And i advise everyone do so as well.
Lizard lick went out of business years ago just so you know.
I only use one, for "ground pound " and air melee on one specific game. You can ignore and in fact physically remove all of them.
VlaudTheImpaler
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Any word on that special Halo thing that you said you guys were working on for the controller?
Yeah, I wasn't going to say anything but...I do miss them. All up in Focus Attack's guts now.
I'm not sure what the current argument is now. Repairability? Eh...the only thing I've ever had to replace on a controller is the thumbsticks on a 360 pad because the tippy-tops were worn smooth. I guess I could've used some kontrol-freek thingies. I have replaced buttons because I wanted monochrome buttons in a couple of my controllers though, because I'm a dweeb.
People should say dweeb more these days. Oh! the actual definition is...I guess pretty accurate...
I think I'll use Jump for left paddle, Crouch for Right paddle. Remap reload to Right Bumper.
AllIsOneIsNone
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If you ain't paddle thrustin', your paddle busted.
I haven't used the controller yet.
User 479360
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I don't know what it is, but it's annoying.
A family member's oxygen machine was above my gaming room, and moving it got rid of the regular disconnects I was having. However, I still get the odd one.
I've gone through a few consoles, too, as well as different controllers. Plus checked for outside interference.
Thankfully it hardly happens anymore. I was surprised when it did with Rock Band, though.
Dee Dah Dave
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I don't know, shouldn't be too difficult to adjust, you most likely won't be pressing a couple of them that often anyway. Jumping without having to stop aiming is the main one though and will give a good advantage, especially so now in Black Ops 3 with it's new movement mechanics.
Paddle shifting in Forza will be nice too.
Yeah I'm interested in different 3rd party sticks and paddles, I might even be able to make some of my own paddles at work.
constantstatic
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I have a scuf and having paddles on the back of the controller is game changing. I just had to order one for the ps4 because I cant go back to a regular controller now and im picking up black ops 3 on ps4. Scuf has terrible quality control though the switch in my A button paddle has gone out twice now in the year I have had it. I think instead of paying to repair my scuf im just going to order one of the elites for playing halo.
anyone now how the paddles on the elite controller connect to the back? someone said you can take them on and off.
Dee Dah Dave
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From the looks of it, it hooks in and then stays there with a strong magnet. They can easily be removed.
FrenchFryFiend
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Speaking of the warranty, I have one of these controllers preordered but I am curious what the warranty from Microsoft will be. The standard controllers only have a 30 day warranty I believe.
Do you play catch with the controllers. Mine have lasted more than a year and mever had to replace them.
Anything less than a year and they won't be getting a cent from me. I've had far too many issues with their controllers in the past to spend 150 on one without a one year warranty.
You don't have to abuse an Xbox controller to make it fail. Or Playstation controller for that matter. Quality control on these things doesn't appear to be a high priority for them.
constantstatic
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I think it also depends on how much you play. When I played Advanced warfare a ton it wrecked my controller with all the jumping and fast movement. I think the build quality of these controllers looks great but the stick and paddles connecting with magnets has me kind of worried.
I would be surprised if we get more than a 90 day warranty here in the USA.