AgentChris
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Moderate success for MS in Japan would be impossible. They jumped ship and focused in NA.charsace said:
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Xbox 360 dead in Japan? (EDGE)
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InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Me too! I can play that at a place about 10 minutes from here, but I had the Japanese 360 version here too.kokujin said:
Admiral Bone to Pick
Banned
The 360 never sold very well in Japan because:
360 Launch Line-up (Japan):
Every Party
FIFA '06: Road to FIFA World Cup
Need for Speed: Most Wanted
Perfect Dark Zero
Ridge Racer 6
Tetris: The Grandmaster Ace
This wouldn't even be so awful if Microsoft didn't already create such a bad image with the original Xbox. You don't get a second chance to make a first impression. They should have come out with big-name JRPGS right away with the original Xbox. They have no one to blame but themselves.
360 Launch Line-up (Japan):
Every Party
FIFA '06: Road to FIFA World Cup
Need for Speed: Most Wanted
Perfect Dark Zero
Ridge Racer 6
Tetris: The Grandmaster Ace
This wouldn't even be so awful if Microsoft didn't already create such a bad image with the original Xbox. You don't get a second chance to make a first impression. They should have come out with big-name JRPGS right away with the original Xbox. They have no one to blame but themselves.
Anasui Kishibe
Banned
this sucks, I love buying cheaparse region free japanese 360 games with english language
Gentleman Jack
Member
InfiniteNine said:
Must be nice to live in one of the 3 cities across America that keeps their arcades current with non-fighting games.
JoshuaJSlone said:
Well, I remember getting into this argument, and basically being told Dynasty Warriors is bigger than Samurai Musou in terms of sales.
As for Ridge Racer, I wasn't aware DS wasn't released in Japan. But I still think Vita RR will do better than RR 3DS due to the amount of effort being put in. 3D looked low effort, while Vita seems to be the next step for the franchise given its staff.
iconoclast
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Chacranajxy said:
Nah, Cave is pretty big. The arcade/console team is only a small portion of the company. There's also a mobile team who has been porting their games for ages (well before iOS), and they've also made the SMT MMO, Princess Debut, and some other junk.
OldJadedGamer
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sublimit said:
You didn't read what I wrote. PS3 kits weren't available to even purchase no matter how much money they had. At the time Sony could barely even supply their own first parties.
Damn, a 360 for $79-80? *Envious* a little, *not-so-Envious* of MS's poor hardware so it's prone to failure. >:|
MGS in general has been absolutely pants-on-head-stupid this generation and last generation. Make Phantom Dust that appeals to the Japanese and most people that bought the X-box before the other two consoles in the west. Drop support and lock the IP up to where the creator can't make another for other platforms or systems for those fans
Make new console, get JRPG support. Do nothing to help or foster it. Lose support.
Depends on the game and publisher. MGS titles are AFAIK region locked. Same for Ubisoft.
Mr SRS BNSS said:
MGS in general has been absolutely pants-on-head-stupid this generation and last generation. Make Phantom Dust that appeals to the Japanese and most people that bought the X-box before the other two consoles in the west. Drop support and lock the IP up to where the creator can't make another for other platforms or systems for those fans
Make new console, get JRPG support. Do nothing to help or foster it. Lose support.
jett said:
Depends on the game and publisher. MGS titles are AFAIK region locked. Same for Ubisoft.
eastside49er
Member
Console gaming died in Japan a long time ago. Handheld and on the go gaming has been their thing for the last 2 generations. At least MS was able to sell around 2 million units there this time around, unlike last generation where they only sold around 500K. That is quite a step up. Now MS could care less. Their system is probably going to sell more this coming fiscal year than last fiscal year, all with out the help of Japan. It is funny though. MS made a huge push for Japan early in the generation, but eventually stopped caring once Japan became irrelevant to the overall success of the 360.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I don't know I can play a US copy of Assassin's Creed 2 on my 360 just fine. I don't own any MGS games though.TheSeks said:
BrokenSymmetry
Member
After Peter Moore was gone, Microsoft didn't seem to care about Japan anymore...
bullet_happy
Member
kokujin said:
But we are talking about Japan not US. So...Cave can continue releasing them to the US/PAL X360s. I know it's difficult though.
I doubt Microsoft will bother with Japan next time around, it seems to be a lost cause.
They pushed the Japan market really hard in the first few years of 360 with the Mistwalker stuff and JRPG's and it didn't really get them anywhere. Hardware and software sales are like triple what the original Xbox was, but that's not exactly a great achievement.
Microsoft is better off focusing on Europe.
They pushed the Japan market really hard in the first few years of 360 with the Mistwalker stuff and JRPG's and it didn't really get them anywhere. Hardware and software sales are like triple what the original Xbox was, but that's not exactly a great achievement.
Microsoft is better off focusing on Europe.
bullet_happy
Member
Must be nice to live in one of those cities across world that keeps their arcades at all.Gentleman Jack said:
eastside49er
Member
MS will release their next console in Japan no doubt. It will be interesting though if they push for so many Japanese exclusives next time around, like they did early in this generation and the sad thing was, they were great exclusives and if on a Japanese console, would have been massive system sellers.
cw_sasuke said:
NPD = The world.
Fixed.
eastside49er said:
They pushed for a lot, but a metric ton of them were very very poor games. MS can't seem to understand that whole reason the PS2 sold so well/thrived. It wasn't just hardware sales.. FREE PS2 with ICECREAM, take THAT nintendo!!! The game quality did have something to do with it.
TOAO_Cyrus
Member
REV 09 said:
Actually I think its
America- Wii>360>PS3
Europ- Wii>PS3>360
Japan- Wii>PS3>360
Vire
Member
Worldwide sales figures
Wii – 87.57 million as of 30 June 2011
Xbox 360 – 55 million as of 4 June 2011
PlayStation 3 – 50 million as of 31 March 2011
Crazy numbers for everyone. Last generation wasn't nearly this spread out in high volume, most of it was all clumped into the PS2 sales.
Microsoft is better off forgetting about Japan and focusing on the European market. Mistwalker did not prove to be a successful endeavor.
Wii – 87.57 million as of 30 June 2011
Xbox 360 – 55 million as of 4 June 2011
PlayStation 3 – 50 million as of 31 March 2011
Crazy numbers for everyone. Last generation wasn't nearly this spread out in high volume, most of it was all clumped into the PS2 sales.
Microsoft is better off forgetting about Japan and focusing on the European market. Mistwalker did not prove to be a successful endeavor.
like a dragon
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Sean said:
I doubt Japan would bother with the next Microsoft console next generation. Retailers aren't going to give their vailable shelve space to a twice failed console while they could sell other more popolur products.
Secondly, Japanese publishers wont be buying into the lucid dream of developing for a western console to appeal to western audiences again, as doing so got them nowhere.
I doubt the next Xbox could ever sell as much as the xbox 360 in Japan (LOL) even if Microsoft tried.
RukusProvider
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BrokenSymmetry said:
After Japanese development fell far behind and the big publishers with Western appetites were already on board with MS for the future, MS had no reason to care for Japan. This is a business first and foremost.
RukusProvider said:
Yeah, this is what I think is going to happen.
They already have pretty much every big Japanese game/IP, and the support of just about every big Japanese publisher. Short of something happening next gen that really throws the Xbox brand off, I really doubt all the Japanese publishers still supporting the 360 are going to just ditch it.
The next step should be to remain strong in North America and build up its position in Europe.
Even if they don't support Japan with their own console, I think it's crazy to think that the big names like Capcom and Square Enix don't believe there's money to be had in North America and Europe. As long as the next XBOX continues to sell in these regions I think MS will get support from the big Japanese publishers. It will be sad if smaller devs like Cave jump ship and exclusively support iOS..I still think Cave can target XBLA though.
OldJadedGamer
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sublimit said:
Don't know what to tell you if you don't believe the comments from the developers actually working on the title. There is nothing to discuss with you at this point then.
Vire said:
It is still crazy to think MS is second place worldwide in userbase numbers considering they are totally dead in 1 out of the 3 regions. Shows just how big the US market has grown and how small the Japanese market has shrank.
RukusProvider said:
I can see them ignoring Japan next gen and putting all the money and effort that would have gone into it to more support in Europe. Right now, many of the biggest features of XBL don't even matter outside of the US/UK so they need more region specific features next gen.
RukusProvider
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Rpgmonkey said:
That would be the right move. I think they can certainly make a much bigger impact on mainland Europe with enough focus and region specific catering with games and services. I believe that would be next ideal focus spot for the new console. Of course, they'll ensure their NA appeal remains strong.
ThisWreckage
Banned
I'd argue that they should completely ignore Japan next generation and funnel that money into exclusive software for the western market instead.
RukusProvider
Banned
ThisWreckage said:
I don't think many people will argue back....
Grinchy
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I know this adds like nothing to the discussion, but I appreciate the fact that they have ashtrays right near the controls, and yet the entire cabinet isn't covered in ashes and burn holes. When I'm in Vegas, one of my biggest pet peeves is people who irresponsibly smoke and ash all over the place, missing the tray, ect. Now that I'm done typing this post, I still have no idea why I'm about to his submit. It has nothing to do with anything.bullet_happy said:Who needs a X360 in Japan to play these babies? Seriously.
like a dragon
Banned
ThisWreckage said:
The problem with western exclusives is that they are so much more expensive then their Japanese counterparts and doesn't make financial sense, especially since all three console do well in Europe and US, unlike Japan were one console is nearly non existent. Its hard to make a case for Microsoft buying European exclusives when they are doing the worst is Europe.
ThisWreckage said:
The only problem now is that MS seems content to leverage Live as their one true leg up on the competition and cares more about big name media partnerships. Next gen is going to be a lot more competitive on the usability front (I suppose Vita will be a good indicator of whether Sony is paying attention). Right now MS doesn't seem to think investing in first party studios is a good investment. It's hard to say definitively whether or not this is the right move but so far it's going alright for MS.
JoshuaJSlone
Member
But they did. About a year after launch Blue Dragon hit and improved the system's numbers enormously. It's only now in 2011 that things have slowed back down to what it was doing in 2006, shortly after launch.Mr. Serious Business said:
tinfoilhatman
all of my posts are my avatar
LOL at anyone who thought an American game console or any electronic device outside of the trendy Iphone\Ipad would do well in Japan, stupid waste of money Microsoft.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
It just makes no fucking sense to me.
It's like the entire country is populated with the worst kind of fanboys.
It's not like there aren't good games to be played on the 360.
It's like the entire country is populated with the worst kind of fanboys.
It's not like there aren't good games to be played on the 360.
sublimit
Banned
OldJadedGamer said:
If something doesn't sound reasonable then i don't believe it no matter who is saying it.As i said i'm not saying MS didn't offered free kits but i doubt they offered them so much earlier than Sony in order to secure exclusivity.The developer wants to protect the image of the company he's working for and after the backlash Namco received from Japanese fans it's no surprise he'd refuse to admit MS paid them for exclusivity.
tinfoilhatman
all of my posts are my avatar
ThisWreckage said:
This , it's a lost cause what was the last Japanese centric console game that sold well in America?
Fighting and JRPG's are pretty much dead here, what do western gamers need Japan for these days?
Nostalgia~4ever
Banned
bigdaddygamebot said:
fps games does not cater to the Japanese audience though. They dont sell on any platform.
jrpgs thank you, plus that the japanese has made the majority of my fav games through history. I would be sad if the Castlevania series didn't exist.
Lance Bone Path
Member
Apple's approach to an ultra-competitive market in Japan has been pretty different from Microsoft's, but obviously the problem is Japan.tinfoilhatman said:
Nostalgia~4ever
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there is a lot of ignorance in this thread, saying that Japanese games isn't needed in the West is BS.
OldJadedGamer
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sublimit said:
Think about the 360 year head start wasn't just in sales... it was with final development kits and software tools/support as well. Now take yourself back to 2006 and look at multiplatform games and listen to developers complaining about porting from 360 to PS3. If they were knee deep into building the 360 version, then they finally got kits from Sony, at that point their kits were very early and the developers had no experience with them and even Sony admitted their early software tools were subpar and on top of that Namco had to port the 360 code to PS3 which at the time was very difficult for them.
It's not far fetched at all to think. The PS3 today wasn't the PS3 at launch, not by a long shot. I'm sure a lot of Japanese devs thought they would just start on the 360 and then quickly port to the PS3 but that didn't turn out as easy as they maybe thought.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
So is it crazy to imagine them not putting the Xbox 3 out in Japan at all? Or will they just keep putting their systems out there knowing they will never sell?
Also, do games that sell huge in American for the 360 sell big on the PS3 in Japan, or is it just flat out that they don't give a fuck about the type of games we westerners do (ie shooting their friends in the face online)? What games sell big in Japan on PS3?
Also, do games that sell huge in American for the 360 sell big on the PS3 in Japan, or is it just flat out that they don't give a fuck about the type of games we westerners do (ie shooting their friends in the face online)? What games sell big in Japan on PS3?
Vire
Member
Is it needed? Not especially - this generation has proved it otherwise. Aside from a few titles from Nintendo, Capcom and Square - eastern gaming sales have stagnated greatly in the past five years.Nostalgia~4ever said:
The better question is - is it wanted? There will always be a legion of players who yearn for old school Japanese games but unfortunately that market is dwindling with each day passing. The main stream no longer is buying these types of games in the US market.