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[CrushDance]

Sure. It's still pretty funny that there aren't any Wii games online yet.




Mech Assault. October 2002. 11 months from launch.




I'm sure, but virtually every single Xbox 360 and PS3 game is somehow connected to online gaming or community. I don't suspect that will ever be true of the Wii.

Yeah okay now tell me how long Wii has been out for and your already complaining about online. I don't mean it as a insult speevy or to sound rude. Maybe I misunderstood you but Wii's online and PS3's online is to be expected for now, wouldn't you agree?

The wifi is there for when the games start coming.

 

[Speevy]

Oblivion is just the first of many superior PS3 versions. .

Oh really? Like what? Oblivion is actually one of the last of its kind, that kind being games that came out a year later on the PS3. Things being developed simultaneously will be the norm.

 

[Kolgar]

Yeah, I bet developers just LOVE to see console manufacturers create more and more expensive hardware.

 

[KINGMOKU]

if you want the X360 then just wait (if you can) and hope for a price drop this year. The games are still the most important factor.

I know, I know. I'm just tired of waiting.

30$ bridge eh?

Hmmm. Interesting.

 

[QVT]

So is there any news on upgrades for us with the old Premiums?

 

[Omar Ismail]

How a $480 console fits into that.. I dunno. Other than to make sure the consumer doesn't think of the Xbox brand as 'too cheap' while Sony's pimping the luxury angle.

I know they're pushing the whole movie / tv show download thing, I just think it would have made a more cohesive vision to the consumer if they'd done this along with the IPTV launch.

You really just answered your own question.

It's all about the TV and movie downloads. With the current premium the HD movie downloads were pretty much useless. I said it before but it was a totally underserved market.

And as far as I understand it IPTV doesn't even need a hard drive because everything is handled by the service provider. There is no local storage necessary. So this really isn't tied to IPTV at all. Plus, IPTV is going to be a long and slow rollout most likely happening over the next few years, so waiting for IPTV doesn't make much sense at all.

What it does make sense is rolling it out alongside filling out the video marketplace and making that a premier digital distribution solution.

Again, as far as I know, Video Marketplace is the ONLY service that provides HD content to the home, not including OnDemand services. Amazon's Unbox, iTunes, CinemaNow, etc all offer SD content only.

So there are people that want the convenience of HD digital distribution and there's no solution that satisfies their needs. Well, now there is. I think it makes perfect sense. How big this market actually is remains to be seen, but that's Microsoft's problem, not mine.

 

[Mr_Furious]

the bluray puts it over the top imho, making it a great value. That still doesn't make it affordable to the average household.

The magic number for mainstream penetration is 299point99. That's what MS thought by offering the tard pack.

 

[Mrbob]

So is there any news on upgrades for us with the old Premiums?

Buy a new Elite system.

Buy a new 120GB hdd.

Those are our choices.

 

[My Chemical Mouse]

Yeah okay now tell me how long Wii has been out for and your already complaining about online. I don't mean it as a insult speevy or to sound rude. Maybe I misunderstood you but Wii's online and PS3's online is to be expected for now, wouldn't you agree?

Wii online is not even comparable to PS3, Sony is miles ahead of Nintendo at this point. There are likely more games with online multi on PS3 now in the first 4 months then there will be on Wii by next summer.

 

[FirstInHell]

Yeah okay now tell me how long Wii has been out for and your already complaining about online. I don't mean it as a insult speevy or to sound rude. Maybe I misunderstood you but Wii's online and PS3's online is to be expected for now, wouldn't you agree?

The wifi is there for when the games start coming.

So it is acceptable for PS3's and the Wii's online service to be where Xbox Live was 4 years ago?

 

[Son of Godzilla]

So what do you get with going with the bundles instead of Core + HD?

Premium:
Wireless instead of Wired controller.
1 Month XBL
Headset
Component cable?

Elite:
HDMI
The above?

No, It sounds like they are afraid of my money.

Is there any way to get wifi on the 360, without getting raped for that stupid cable-dongle?

I don't know anything about it as wifi interests me as much as fisting a sock, but I'm pretty sure it's possible to jurry rig something up much cheaper than the official solution.

 

[Speevy]

Yeah okay now tell me how long Wii has been out for and your already complaining about online. I don't mean it as a insult speevy or to sound rude. Maybe I misunderstood you but Wii's online and PS3's online is to be expected for now, wouldn't you agree?

The wifi is there for when the games start coming.

I just don't believe Nintendo is focused enough on online. They spent last generation shying away form it, then they build a console which is connected from day one, but with no online multiplayer.

 

[FrankT]

Oh really? Like what? Oblivion is actually one of the last of its kind, that kind being games that came out a year later on the PS3. Things being developed simultaneously will be the norm.

Haha, ya got to love those posts. Well off to play a little Shivering Iles I go.

 

[Blablurn]

loool :lol why?

Because they started to react. Although the Xbox360 Premium Version is a nice piece of technique it's not full HD capable.

 

[neptunes]

People can't seem to understand the fault in this announcement.

When it comes to comsumer electronics there is one variable that kills all:

MARKETING. This announcement kills the small chance they had to win the marketing war against Sony.

360 Premium it was nice knowing ya! (people who want an xbox will get the Elite instead or will hold out since no one wants the inferior product. Just look at the 20G PS3)

NO respectable corporation would base their marketing efforts soley on the price of their product compared it's competition.

You try to maket the product's differentiation and tangible strengths, not compared to the competion, but in their own right.

 

[CrushDance]

wow

Wow what? Does it not make sense to you? 360 has been out longer so it obviously will be better compared to the two(1) system(s) that just came out.

Besides it's the same logic you use in every one of your posts so you should understand it.

 

[Barnolde]

I pulled about 60' of Cat5 just so that could avoid gaming on wifi.

I wouldn't want to go wi-fi either, but why not include it when everyone else does it or when YOU do it with the Zune? Silver users would certainly benefit, they don't need high speeds, just start a download and then play a game whilst it downloads in the background.

Hell, why is anything that's not MS's overpriced wi-fi such a bitch to deal with? Hours of trying to config an adapter that should work (and worked fine with the Xbox) but doesn't and the MS one works fine right out of the box. **** MS and their proprietary bullshit.

I for one have no issues with paying 29.99-34.99 for a DVD movie.

How does it feel to be raped constantly? Does it hurt?

wow

40GB+ extra space and a hard drive that developers can always rely on and utilize? I know, what was Sony thinking, putting a standard hard drive in ALL their systems? I can't imagine where they got that idea. But hey, you are perfectly okay with your $400 system breaking, so we all know you're batshit insane.

Oh really? Like what? Oblivion is actually one of the last of its kind, that kind being games that came out a year later on the PS3. Things being developed simultaneously will be the norm.

Yeah and with the PS3 there's more potential, because everyone can rely on their massive disc space and standard hard drive. Do you honestly think that 360/PS3 games will be the same in the next couple years? 360 games are already at their max capacity of 7.5GB, why is MORE flexibility bad?

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

I bought a 60GB iPod in 2005, I didn't bother Apple with trading in for an 80GB when it came out, some people are whining for the sake of it.

 

[Polari]

Shit deal. Give me wireless and price it at $399, then we'll talk.

 

[Lagaff]

Taking all this into consideration, it seems like Microsoft is afraid of Sony .

They certainely not, they just target the same market.
What microsoft do now is just tryng catchup hardware side i think for this market.
What i dont understand from microsoft they say 20 gig is enough now 120 gig
720p is the sweet spot and now they made 1080p..
they want to give you the choice but you have to buy their hd..you have to buy hd-dvd but dont offer bluray..
all these contradiction...it's so confusing and now the elite and 3 sku..
oh well

 

[Bill-Lumberg]

Well here in the UK, I can either rob a bank to buy a PS3 and then have only a couple of half-decent games to play, or buy a 360 and spend half my life taking/sending it back for a replacement, or I can buy Nintendo's gimmick.

Let me know when the next next gen is ready.

 

[KINGMOKU]

You can buy ANY wireless ethernet bridge if you don't want to pay for the official adapter.

Seriously. And is a wireless adapter now more important than great games or something? :lol

You're really making a bigger issue than it needs to be.

Wifi for some, is more important than it is for others. For me, and how I have stuff set-up, it would be a nightmare getting a cable there, and I dont want to trip on the thing either.

Well, enough bitching about this. I knew the cost would be high to grab one of these bastards, now I just have to find a cheap price on lube. Unless I need a ****ing anal adapter, then I'm out. For good.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

know, what was Sony thinking, putting a standard hard drive in ALL their systems? I can't imagine where they got that idea. But hey, you are perfectly okay with your $400 system breaking, so we all know you're batshit insane.

That HDD is added cost because of Blu-Ray, that's where the idea came from.

 

[mood]

I bought a 60GB iPod in 2005, I didn't bother Apple with trading in for an 80GB when it came out, some people are whining for the sake of it.

Youd think Microsoft was getting rid of the Premium version by the responses.

 

[FrankT]

I bought a 60GB iPod in 2005, I didn't bother Apple with trading in for an 80GB when it came out, some people are whining for the sake of it.

There will be a whole lot of gnashing of teeth on the release of April/May NPDs.

 

[CrapSandwich]

Built-in wifi is over-rated. The last thing I want is an 802.11g client slowing down my network once I upgrade to 11n. It's the same thing with the DS's built-in 11b support. I'm not slowing my network down for a game machine. The only thing I can figure is that some of you don't want an 11n network. That kind of boggles the mind, but there it is.

 

[Evlar]

Built-in wifi is over-rated. The last thing I want is an 802.11g client slowing down my network once I upgrade to 11n. It's the same thing with the DS's built-in 11b support. I'm not slowing my network down for a game machine. The only thing I can figure is that some of you don't want an 11n network. That kind of boggles the mind, but there it is.

... what?

 

[GhaleonEB]

There will be a whole lot of gnashing of teeth on the release of April/May NPDs.

I think it actually will cause a spike in sales. Somehow.

 

[CrushDance]

I just don't believe Nintendo is focused enough on online. They spent last generation shying away form it, then they build a console which is connected from day one, but with no online multiplayer.

Yeah I agree with you on that. Friend codes killed it for me I'll live though...slowly XD.

@Firstinhell: Can you please make some sense? Think about what you said and then tell me again. It is to be expected, anybody who thought either PSN or WiiConnet would be feature rich, streamlined and have tons of downloads etc was over hyping themselves way to much. It takes time to bring up a stable network and both PSN and Wii will go through major overhauls before they reach the level of Live. Get it?

 

[CrapSandwich]

... what?

What what?

 

[CurseoftheGods]

IMHO, the 20GB drive should have been discontinued altogether and the 120GB drive should have taken it's place at $100.

EXACTLY.

Still, the Elite is SO mine. It will also function as my new DVD player (since my PS3 can't upconvert at the moment).

 

[Evlar]

What what?

You actually think the presence of a single 802.11g device will slow your whole network down?

 

[soul creator]

So what do you get with going with the bundles instead of Core + HD?

Premium:
Wireless instead of Wired controller.
1 Month XBL
Headset
Component cable?

Elite:
HDMI
The above?



I don't know anything about it as wifi interests me as much as fisting a sock, but I'm pretty sure it's possible to jurry rig something up much cheaper than the official solution.

I think the Elite does have all the stuff in the Pro (including a black headset, and the composite/component cables) and also an HDMI cable.

There's not anything weird where you "lose" something by buying the Elite over the Pro (unless you really like the color white)

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

I think it actually will cause a spike in sales. Somehow.

Of course it will. The 220,000 who buy premiums will keep doing it in May. And then along come at least 50,000 other dudes who actually want this thing.

ETA: Oh, wait. I just saw this thing upscales DVDs...?

Uh oh.

(CAN'T CAN'T CANNOT be 50,001...)

 

[Speevy]

Do you honestly think that 360/PS3 games will be the same in the next couple years?

I hope not. Developers need to get a handle on the PS3 hardware so the versions can be at least equal.

 

[CrapSandwich]

You actually think the presence of a single 802.11g device will slow your whole network down?

I don't think it. It is an indisputable fact.

 

[Odysseus]

I think it actually will cause a spike in sales. Somehow.

temporary, sure

although it will also dampen sales from now until april 29 or whenever the new sku is released. you'll see a boost from that, a boost from existing owners trading up, and then i'll predict you'll see the system settle in at a rate lower than what it sells now, barring a price drop.

 

[FirstInHell]

Wow what? Does it not make sense to you? 360 has been out longer so it obviously will be better compared to the two(1) system(s) that just came out.

Besides it's the same logic you use in every one of your posts so you should understand it.

The nonsense Oblivion point he made is what I was responding to.

Oblivion was in development for a year longer for the PS3. I would probably attribute that to the "superior version" claims when compared to the 360 version. Any improvements Oblivion on PS3 saw had nothing to do with a 60gb HDD, The Cell processor, or Blue Ray.

 

[cheekymunky]

I hope not. Developers need to get a handle on the PS3 hardware so the versions can be at least equal.

:lol


Ouch!!

 

[Omar Ismail]

You actually think the presence of a single 802.11g device will slow your whole network down?

You don't know how wireless networks work.

A very important point: The ENTIRE wireless network runs at the speed of the slowest connected device. So even if you have an uber-fast N, or A network, as soon as you connect some old B wireless device, the ENTIRE network runs at that speed. Ya. It's as ridiculous as it sounds.

 

[soul creator]

I bought a 60GB iPod in 2005, I didn't bother Apple with trading in for an 80GB when it came out, some people are whining for the sake of it.

Yeah, I think it's pretty clear is that MS is sorta taking the Apple approach to things with the varying SKU's.

Elite = 80GB Ipod
Pro = 30GB Ipod or high capacity Nano (if small size is a deciding factor)
Core = low end Nano and the Shuffle

Will this actually work in the gaming space? It remains to be seen. I think they still have to get a $100 price drop in before the end of the year to really break into the mass market.

 

[frAntic_Frog]

uhh....they actually went ahead and called it "Elite"? does that make the other two SKUs "loser" or "noob"?

 

[Future]

In Microsofts head, they have:

-A better more rounded library of games at the moment
-Better online service
-Video Marketplace
-Gears of War selling bucket loads
-Halo 3 coming
-Still cheaper than the cheapest PS3 (notice the Elite is just a bit lower than PS3's $499. Marketing gimmick)

There is no reason to price drop. People wanted a bigger hardrive and HDMI, well they are getting it....at a higher pricepoint. If people are affording these PS3s they can surely afford this cheaper 360, and if not they still have two viable options for the consumer.

I dont see how this is a bad move at all. Like it or not, things are way more expensive this time around and guess what. Consoles and games are still selling

 

[Evlar]

You don't know how wireless networks work.

A very important point: The ENTIRE wireless network runs at the speed of the slowest connected device. So even if you have an uber-fast N, or A network, as soon as you connect some old B wireless device, the ENTIRE network runs at that speed. Ya. It's as ridiculous as it sounds.

OK, I believe you. That does suck.

 

[J-Rzez]

Incredible...

So:
120GB HDD
HDMI
HDMI cable
Headset

No:
Play and Charge kit or battery charge dock? (is it included?)
XBL 1-year membership? (is it included?)
TRANSFER cable...
NO 65nm revision...

MS really ended up screwing themselves here... AND, just like before when people argued that the consumer will see a $500ps3 and a $600ps3, they will disregard the $500 model as being inferior, I guess Joe-blow-consumer stumbled across great wisdom all of a sudden? Yeah, right... It hasn't changed... Just like the stores that said the 60Gb PS3 was so much better an experience over the 20Gb model, they'll ALL do the same here... In people's minds, it'll end up the 360 as being $480, as the others must be inferior some way or another...

I really expected $129.99 or $149.99, but $180 for the 120Gb HDD... that is one spectacular raping... Even if you're lucky to sell your 20Gb for $50, you're still paying too much for that HDD... Man, they are really giving it to their consumers now...

So here's what someone can expect going into the Elite head first:
$480 for the console
$50 for Live (forgive me if included)
$10 Play and Charge kit (forgive me if it's included)=
$540...

Need Wi-Fi?
$620-640...

And these people will still be staring at the HD-DVD drive if they want next-gen movies...

They just effectively cancelled out their gameplan saying you don't need a next-gen movie player... Because now you pushed your console right up with the costs of your competitor, which only lacks 60Gb of HDD space, BUT Allows you to play Blu-Ray movies, which reports are showing it's starting to take over that segment...

Minus the Wifi, it puts it ABOVE the price of a 20Gb PS3 which allows Blu-Ray movie playback... And forbid that Sony pulls out more 20Gb PS3's and big titles come out showing the importance of Blu-Ray...

They're really giving it to the consumer now, guess they figured that Sony was getting away with it, so why not?

Why haven't they gone with the 65nm yet anyways? I thought that was supposed to be here by now? So it's still a risk to pick up one of these yet?

 

[BlackGoku03]

thread should be renamed to hate fest, since thats what it basically is.

don't want it? don't buy it.

Haha, welcome to what PS3 threads have been like for the past... oh, year and a half?

 

[Blablurn]

Haha, welcome to what PS3 threads have been like for the past... oh, year and a half?

QFT

 

[Odysseus]

There is no reason to price drop. People wanted a bigger hardrive and HDMI, well they are getting it....at a higher pricepoint. If people are affording these PS3s they can surely afford this cheaper 360, and if not they still have two viable options for the consumer.

I dont see how this is a bad move at all. Like it or not, things are way more expensive this time around and guess what. Consoles and games are still selling

360 and ps3 are still selling... just not as well as the ps2 was at this point in the cycle. not as well as the ps2 if you add them together. and then there is the wii to consider...

microsoft can keep on thinking they just need to worry about sony, meanwhile nintendo will move into the drivers seat.

 

[QVT]

Buy a new Elite system.

Buy a new 120GB hdd.

Those are our choices.

I don't give a shit about the hard drive. I just want HDMI and a console that I'm not worried about bricking because i play a game on it.

Its almost unbelievable that they'd do this. I can't imagine that something one idiot would call a mistake could pass through the hundreds of people at M$(going to start using that now) with nobody noticing how stupid an idea it is.

 

[Buffy4ever]

she is fine....who is she?