jordan0386
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MadOdorMachine said:
How do you come to the conclusion they are picking a Wii, when they have an interest in HD gaming?
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How do you come to the conclusion they are picking a Wii, when they have an interest in HD gaming?
BenjaminBirdie
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travisbickle said:
They've had this split for the lifetime of the console. A difference between 20 and 120 makes little to no difference to said developers.
It seems to have done okay for the software.
MadOdorMachine
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I'm saying he's either going to be turned off by HDTV because of all the different standards or he's going to go with PS3 because it has all bases covered out of the box. Microsoft just made the 360 a lot more complicated to consumers by including so many options. This isn't an iPod, it's a game system.jordan0386 said:
jordan0386
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But the ipod system works...I think that is why they are doing this
Way too many options across the board on all electronics...but, it helps because you can buy what you can afford
Thats all it bows down to, buying what you can afford
The 3 tier Xbox 360 was always the plan...that was the very first leak...we shouldnt be so selective in our anger
Way too many options across the board on all electronics...but, it helps because you can buy what you can afford
Thats all it bows down to, buying what you can afford
The 3 tier Xbox 360 was always the plan...that was the very first leak...we shouldnt be so selective in our anger
StingerNLG
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MadOdorMachine said:
Ok, I think you're making too much of the comparison, but I wanted to have both. The PS3 part is pretty much right on. Well, except you're expecting a Walmart employee to have this knowledge. That might be reaching.
Here's the thing. That guy who bought the Wii had no intention of worrying about High Definition movies. And that same clerk could have ended a lot of confusion by pointing the person to the Premium pack and saying "For an extra $100 you can get a unit with a hard drive, and wireless controllers that not only plays the same games, but allows you to download and watch high definition movies right from the console. And instead of $599, it's only $399". And if the add-on is important for the sale, the $399 + $199 add-on = PS3 60GB, and you still get the Xbox 360 games you want. At that point you can fight about the PS3 vs. the 360 games, value, etc:,
Anyway, I think too much is made of that type of situation. Most Joe Blow folks are going to look at the console, look at the games, and buy the console. They have to be sold on the movie aspect of it.
travisbickle
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m0dus said:
For developers they have different functions...
You have a number of people that won't contemplate online due to cost, and you have storage ranging from 64mbs to 120gbs.
We know, due to developers comments, the lack of hard drive prevents certain functions within games -caching and streaming, but I don't want concentrate on that here.
My train of thought was looking at "Little Big Planet", the proclaimed breath of fresh air for this tired industry, a downloadable game with multiple player online and community features - available to everyone on PS3, not so on the 360.
Microsoft have to concentrate on DVD sized offline games that don't require extra storage of a harddrive because they have made that option viable to the consumer. That's there bread and butter, and they can't keep producing higher standards of this console because less and less developers will be inclined to use it. You (a developer) have a quality game that's about 3GBs and its biggest asset is its online/community play, you haven't got the resources to distribute it on disc, which company do you go to with your idea?
jordan0386
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You make a decent game...and nobody is gonna publish it...where did you get the money to make the game, in the first place
try again...
try again...
GhaleonEB said:
Solution? Quite gouging the hell out of the peripheral prices.
Then core users could upgrade without worry of being ripped off.
That is come circular reasoning there. Well he HAVE to charge $180 for the HDD, therefore, we had to create a new SKU so we didn't rip people off. :lol
Arne - For all the talk about choice, MS is doing the opposite by creating these SKU's and then putting the peripheral pricing through the sky.
If they wanted to offer true choice, they would offer the core as the base package, and a wide variety of reasonably priced peripherals so the user can build their own.
I agree that it makes business sense (potentially great) but as far as gameplay experiences go I think you will see some really bad examples going forward due to the lack of HDD. Oblivion for example the loading times are just massively longer. And you still at least have to invest 40$ to be able to save your progress.
If the Core hits $199 this fall, or even $249, I expect it will begin to constitute a much higher proportion of 360 sales than current. It's a strategic move which is dependant on tapping into the budget segment; that segment isn't looking at $300 to the same degree.m0dus said:
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
The main thing that is rubbing me the wrong way about this is the arrogance shown on Major Nelson. It just seems like Microsoft is declaring victory already when a PS3 price-drop could put a major dent in their lead. The Elite is not really something I want. HDMI, so what, component and VGA are enough for me. The hard drive is nice, but I still have 6.3GB left on mine now. I have no clue why they didn't want to include HD-DVD in the damned thing. They keep trying to spin-spin-spin, but it makes no sense at all. No wireless in the damned thing, and still keeping the price of the adapter for 100 bucks?
MS just KICKED the door wide open for PS3. Because even though I am not interested in the Elite, in comparison the mere fact that MS is pricing it like it is makes me think that a $600 PS3 isn't that bad.
MS just KICKED the door wide open for PS3. Because even though I am not interested in the Elite, in comparison the mere fact that MS is pricing it like it is makes me think that a $600 PS3 isn't that bad.
neojubei said:
It is not limited edition if it was people would not be so up in arms over it. Paying a few dollars more to get something early in a new color is not so bad. A new periment SKU that makes the PS3 look like a bargin is stupid and that is what the elite does.
StingerNLG
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btrboyev said:
Ok. So then what will be the draw away from the Wii? What sounds better?
"Here, spend $50 more and get an Xbox 360"
or
"Here, spend $150 more and get an Xbox 360".
Granted, you can still opt to buy the Premium 360. But consider the key word there......OPT.
I still don't understand this logic. There are still two less expensive SKU's than the Elite, and all three SKU's are still over $100 cheaper than the 60GB PS3.
Sigh. It's lunch time.
OverHeat
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Here in Canada the Premium is 499.99$
and the Elite will be 549.99$
http://www.xbox.com/en-CA/Hardware/x/xbox360elitesystem/default.htm
good deal if you ask me
and the Elite will be 549.99$
http://www.xbox.com/en-CA/Hardware/x/xbox360elitesystem/default.htm
good deal if you ask me
m0dus said:
Well that may be a realworld solution, but it doesn't change the bone-head strategy MS is implementing.
I mean, how much profit are thgey really making on these HDD's? And is it really worth having the percieved price of the system raised by $100???
MS could essentially do a $100 pricedrop simply by dropping the price on their HDD's.
By making a slim profit on the 20gb HDD, say $50 at retail, the core would become extremely attractive at $299 for users without HDTV.
By releasing the 120GB at a reasonable price, say $100, they would remove the need for a 3rd sku entirely, and could simply integrate HDMI into existing models when the time comes, it's a niche feature anyways.
This entire thing reeks of pinching pennies.
Guileless
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I really don't understand how yall can be so indignant about what just another choice for the consumer. If you don't like it, you have two other options to you to enjoy all the 360 games that you want to play. I will get one of these, mostly because I use Marketplace so much. I absolutely cannot stand advertising and don't have access to network shows in HD so watching the few shows I like via Marketplace is the best thing for me since Chinese checkers. I already have the wireless adapter, and I can just reattach it to the Elite and put the old 360 in the bedroom. I don't care about how this makes people I don't know reassess their views about the PS3.
soul creator
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I keep trying to figure out why this "makes the PS3 look like a better deal" when the 360 does things that the PS3 doesn't even do that may be desirable to certain customers.
Just like the PS3 does some things (plays hi-def movies on a disc, home, when it comes out, linux, etc.) that the 360 doesn't do. But it's not as one sided as everyone seems to think.
They each have their own strengths and weaknesses. The only difference is that the 360 has cheaper options for people who just want games.
Just like the PS3 does some things (plays hi-def movies on a disc, home, when it comes out, linux, etc.) that the 360 doesn't do. But it's not as one sided as everyone seems to think.
They each have their own strengths and weaknesses. The only difference is that the 360 has cheaper options for people who just want games.
Robobandit
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No 65nm, no sale.
I hate this kind of crap. I'd like to have a bigger HDD for my 360, but not at that price. This feels like a bait and switch - like I'm being punished as an early adopter. You would think MS would have a program to offer discount to those who bought in earlier, thinking that they were getting the top of the line system instead of asking them to pay $100 more than a brand new customer. Premium, Elite, what's next, the UberBox?
jordan0386
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Unless it is leaked, I doubt they will ever tell us
AlanzTalon
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I think the problem here is MS had a choice....either shoot for the sky or lower the price....they played it safe and took the middle ground and it does them no good.
This elite should have been either an HDMI, HD-DVD, wireless, 120gb packing 65nm beast of an Xbox and price it right along the PS3 at $599 and let the big spenders go to town...then Sony has nothing to say
or
make it a Pro in black finish with a bigger Hard Drive and HDMI (or even just HDMI and sell the HDD separate) and price it at $399
MS split the middle and it is gonna miss
This elite should have been either an HDMI, HD-DVD, wireless, 120gb packing 65nm beast of an Xbox and price it right along the PS3 at $599 and let the big spenders go to town...then Sony has nothing to say
or
make it a Pro in black finish with a bigger Hard Drive and HDMI (or even just HDMI and sell the HDD separate) and price it at $399
MS split the middle and it is gonna miss
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Deku Tree said:
No, they decided since it is in the back of the 360, there was no need to make a black one.
I just saw this, and that the rumors were true. It would have been an ok move limited.. i have no clue why they are making it permanent.
All I want is a X360 with improved HD space, and the new 65NM everyone is talking about if it helps with any heat/breakdown issues by the time Halo 3 launches. I kinda thought there would be a price drop this year too, but that doesn't seem likely with them announcing all new more expensive SKU's.
I can live with the $399 price tag if they can just pack in a bit larger HD, and make the thing more reliable.
All I want is a X360 with improved HD space, and the new 65NM everyone is talking about if it helps with any heat/breakdown issues by the time Halo 3 launches. I kinda thought there would be a price drop this year too, but that doesn't seem likely with them announcing all new more expensive SKU's.
I can live with the $399 price tag if they can just pack in a bit larger HD, and make the thing more reliable.
arne said:
Tell me about it - I just read a few more pages, and people are STILL saying that the Elite "kicks the door wide open for the PS3", even though it's still cheaper than the "cheap" PS3 (which doesn't exist in Europe BTW, it's strictly 599 or bust up here), and as if the Core and Premium suddenly don't exist anymore...
But carry on guys, continue to complain about things not targetted at you, as if there isn't a choice - choice is bad now!
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
StingerNLG said:
I am only speaking for myself, but when MS is offering this new unit for basically 100 less than a PS3 which has a blu-ray player and a wireless adapter built-in, there is a natual comparison. A comparison that actually justifies the $600 price tag for a PS3. I am only speaking for myself, but if MS is charging 479 for a unit that doesn't have a HD-DVD player or wireless built-in, then maybe that $600 is a bargain for those things in the PS3.
My point is that MS has put out a 360 at a premium price, without premium features. Therefore making any comparison to the $500 or $600 PS3s a favorable one for Sony. This was a mistake. We pulled some of the same crap at Compaq and got hammered for it. We, like MS, kept the units that were cheaper on the board, but what happened is the magazines and buyers only compared the top skus of the competitors and our higher priced competitors gave more bang for the buck. That is what is happening now. Are you going to piece together an elite, wirless adaptor, and HD-DVD player for $779 or are you going to buy a PS3 for $600? That is the strategy Sony should use to attack MS. Looking at the gaming press' reaction, I think they will be telling the same story.
Just speaking from real-world pricing and marketing experience.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
Skilotonn said:
It doesn't matter if it isn't targeted to them because they are the ones who are most likely to rebuy a console.
I really would not have a problem with this Elite SKU priced at $480 if microsoft somehow comes to its senses and drops the Premium SKU to $299. Then, if you want to upgrade your HDD, pop another $180 for the 120 GB HDD. Your total spending: $480, which is comparable to Elite.
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
While I do think that the accessories are a rip off and that the XBOX elite is just a ploy to increase profits more.
I can't help but think that stuff like this justifies why we need 3 consoles in the race. We need checks and balances. MS knows that they still have the premium so they could create a higher margin product so that they could make money before the big push for consoles in Fall where they may go in the red again.
I see the elite as something MS could always have as the product that could keep the console in the black while they could push the Premium and Core down to the hardcore base.
I can't help but think that stuff like this justifies why we need 3 consoles in the race. We need checks and balances. MS knows that they still have the premium so they could create a higher margin product so that they could make money before the big push for consoles in Fall where they may go in the red again.
I see the elite as something MS could always have as the product that could keep the console in the black while they could push the Premium and Core down to the hardcore base.