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Xbox 360 gaining USB storage support in spring 2010 update...16gb cap? smh

BudokaiMR2 said:
This isn't even about some silly "internet world"

This is about the real world where one of the biggest companies in gaming makes a unnecessarily restrictive design choice for their flapship product.

However, yes, let's just go back to arguing bayonetta vs. GoW3 vs. Dante's inferno instead of actually talking about something (even slightly) meaningful.
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hey man, i'm just letting you know that it's possible to think the cap is lame and not give a shit, all without being some corporate shill/apologist. hence it's not all black and white. MS is trying to make more money at the expense of the consumer.... welcome to forever ago. you have every right to be outraged so carry on. but i'm not going to get all huffy about it and it has nothing to do with some kind of love of MS. i just really don't give a shit.
 
Well as I said I am not actually THAT angry because it not longer has anything to do with me since my Xbox 360 is out of commission. I should probably not post after so much alcohol. haha

And I don't have to deal with these problems since I bought a gaming PC.

So it's more like I am sitting in the VIP balcony of a club, shaking my head in pity as the waiter sells some poor schmucks watered down beer while I enjoy my pricey but quality scotch.
 
BudokaiMR2 said:
Well as I said I am not actually THAT angry because it not longer has anything to do with me since my Xbox 360 is out of commission. I should probably not post after so much alcohol. haha

And I don't have to deal with these problems since I bought a gaming PC.

So it's more like I am sitting in the VIP balcony of a club, shaking my head in pity as the waiter sells some poor schmucks watered down beer while I enjoy my pricey but quality scotch.
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ok, the pity angle i can get behind. i don't have a good PC and i am most certainly the poor schmuck buying the watered down beer but i can definitely see where you're coming from.
 
BudokaiMR2 said:
Are you fucking serious? 16gb cap? So the 360 is equal to a top-of-the-line PC from 1998!

Shit like this just pisses me off to no end.
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This isn't a HDD replacement it's is a memory unit replacement. And seeing how expensive microsoft memory cards were this is very welcome to a lot of us.
 
Diablohead said:
This isn't a HDD replacement it's is a memory unit replacement. And seeing how expensive microsoft memory cards were this is very welcome to a lot of us.
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Not that I need it but I definitely agree with you. I know a lot of people that has an Arcade and ended up buying a hard drive later.

However would "Common Joe" realize that he does not need a hard drive just to play games but any USB stick would do? Probably not...
 
jaypah said:
you don't have to be a corporate apologist to not be outraged. ok, watch this. nah, for real. check this out:

i think the 16gb cap is stupid but whatevz man.

OH SHIT, A SHADE OF GRAY IN AN INTERNET WORLD OF BLACK AND WHITE!!!!

how the fuck did i do that? i'm blowing minds up in this bitch.
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But you're a corporate apologist?!


Game installs is one of the greatest things to happen recently (I've a psp) so Microsoft forcing people to buy overpriced peripherals to take advantage is shitty. This could have been the best announcement ever, but with bandwith caps its turned into another thread about how much big companies expect for proprietary equipment, and pissing on their consumers.
 
Rant time! The big problem with this USB feature is that the general public doesn't know that not all USB flash drives are made equal.

Most are terribly slow and people who plug in their 16 gb data traveler they've had lying around are going to think that MS fucked them, while the guys who bought fast drives are going to have no problems. It used to be that you can buy usb sticks with Readyboost logos on them, as they used to be the high performance devices. Lately however, they slap readyboost on every other stick these days. USB flash drives are faster in gerneral now, then they were 2 years ago.. but there are still poor performers out there.

The solution? Buy a new drive from this year or late last year. I recommend Sandisc Cruzer or the OCZ myself. And for all that's holy, avoid Kingston. A good guide is the price. The fast USB drives are usually $15-$30 more expensive for the same memory size. If your buying your 16gb for 35 bucks: slowsville.

Wait, I forgot to ask if anyone cared. :)
 
I can't believe people who are too lazy to delete multiple game installs are taking the time to complain about this. For the vast majority of consumers this is a big win. They can install one game and save a significant amount of DLC.

Yes, another company will continue to milk their hardcore users. Welcome to the real world.

And let's not forget game installs aren't mandatory.

gaf != real world
 
BudokaiMR2 said:
I can't understand how you DON'T understand my desire for more memory? 32GB is NOT a lot of space, and is actually a pretty damn pitiful number in this day and age.
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So buy more USB sticks?
 
watership said:
Rant time! The big problem with this USB feature is that the general public doesn't know that not all USB flash drives are made equal.

Most are terribly slow and people who plug in their 16 gb data traveler they've had lying around are going to think that MS fucked them, while the guys who bought fast drives are going to have no problems. It used to be that you can buy usb sticks with Readyboost logos on them, as they used to be the high performance devices. Lately however, they slap readyboost on every other stick these days. USB flash drives are faster in gerneral now, then they were 2 years ago.. but there are still poor performers out there.

The solution? Buy a new drive from this year or late last year. I recommend Sandisc Cruzer or the OCZ myself. And for all that's holy, avoid Kingston. A good guide is the price. The fast USB drives are usually $15-$30 more expensive for the same memory size. If your buying your 16gb for 35 bucks: slowsville.

Wait, I forgot to ask if anyone cared. :)
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I was pretty skeptical of your post but I did a little googling and it backs up your claims. This article is from 2008, but the differences are surprising.


windowslivewriterusbflashdrivecomparison21testedandcompar-11cdediskbench-read-from-2.jpg
 
BudokaiMR2 said:
As someone said, installing games. my 60GB PS3 has been full for a good year and a half because of installs.

It is just an asinine decision as far as I am concerned. One of the 'features' of the Xbox 360 is the ability to install games to make them run better. Kind of defeats the purpose if I end up hitting the small limit and have to uninstall and reinstall games constantly...

I can't understand how you DON'T understand my desire for more memory? 32GB is NOT a lot of space, and is actually a pretty damn pitiful number in this day and age.
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No 360 game has mandatory installs though, with the possible exception of FFXI. I've used a 20GB HD (with only 14GB available) for nearly 4 years. And, inexplicably, some games run better off the disk or only offer marginal improvements when running off the hd.
 
play 1 game at a time (from start to finish)
have a dedicated usb drive for said game
never run out of space

i do this now anyways, if i dont finish a game and put another disc in, i will most likely never finish the game (ie tales of vesperia, ff13, etc)
 
Kenak said:
I wasn't trying to defend Microsoft, I just didn't get why you would even really have a desire for more memory than that.
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Personally, I rotate through a series of games at any one given time. Any more questions?

edit: I also cannot see how anyone defends this fuckstickery of consumers at the hands of Microsoft. Anyone who does is just a fool with money.
 
travisbickle said:
But you're a corporate apologist?!


Game installs is one of the greatest things to happen recently (I've a psp) so Microsoft forcing people to buy overpriced peripherals to take advantage is shitty. This could have been the best announcement ever, but with bandwith caps its turned into another thread about how much big companies expect for proprietary equipment, and pissing on their consumers.
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At risk of sound like a corporate apologist, what the fuck are you talking about? 16GB limit on a USB stick, something you can get as many of as you want. It's a disadvantage in you cannot buy one large HDD, sure -- that is annoying. But come on, trying to spin this as negative is ridiculous. Pissing on everyone by for once actually giving us a legitimate option besides Microsoft's ass-raping HDDs?
BigNastyCurve said:
Personally, I rotate through a series of games at any one given time. Any more questions?
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So install games to more USB sticks? And I like how you answer the post that wasn't even directed at you, while glossing over the one that was.
 
PopcornMegaphone said:
I was pretty skeptical of your post but I did a little googling and it backs of your claims. This article is from 2008, but the differences are surprising.


http://www.testfreaks.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/windowslivewriterusbflashdrivecomparison21testedandcompar-11cdediskbench-read-from-2.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
Someone needs to make a list of decent USB drives today...
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I like to thank MS for this feature. I know there are some babies on this thread that don't appreciate your thoughtfulness to us true gamers...
 
Kenak said:
At risk of sound like a corporate apologist, what the fuck are you talking about? 16GB limit on a USB stick, something you can get as many of as you want. It's a disadvantage in you cannot buy one large HDD, sure -- that is annoying. But come on, trying to spin this as negative is ridiculous. Pissing on everyone by for once actually giving us a legitimate option besides Microsoft's ass-raping HDDs?

So install games to more USB sticks? And I like how you answer the post that wasn't even directed at you, while glossing over the one that was.
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Can you copy game installs to another hd and just swap them when you're ready to play a certain title? Or is there some type of encryption to prevent this?
 
BigNastyCurve said:
Personally, I rotate through a series of games at any one given time. Any more questions?

edit: I also cannot see how anyone defends this fuckstickery of consumers at the hands of Microsoft. Anyone who does is just a fool with money.
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If you were a tree, what kind would you be?
 
SapientWolf said:
Can you copy game installs to another hd and just swap them when you're ready to play a certain title? Or is there some type of encryption to prevent this?
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I'd assume so. If Microsoft put in some sort of system to block that, then I could see reason to be up in arms :lol
 
BudokaiMR2 said:
This is about the real world where one of the biggest companies in gaming makes a unnecessarily restrictive design choice for their flapship product.
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Past, pricey proprietary memory up to 0.5GB
= "I have cancer, but I'm dealing with it"

New, cheap non-proprietary up to 16GB x2
= "RAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!"

...

..Yep; must be an internet videogame forum :lol
 
Interesting, but 16 gb is still too low! The only reason they have this cap is because they intend to still sell their overpriced 250 gb. One thing I dont get is if they want people to actually BUY dlc wouldn't it be in their GODDAMM interest to make cheap storage space available. Seem they are shooting themselves in the foot with all the HD content, installable games and dlc that begs for more space...

How much money are they loosing because people don't have enough storage...
 
DarkoMaledictus said:
Interesting, but 16 gb is still too low! The only reason they have this cap is because they intend to still sell their overpriced 250 gb. One thing I dont get is if they want people to actually BUY dlc wouldn't it be in their GODDAMM interest to make cheap storage space available. Seem they are shooting themselves in the foot with all the HD content, installable games and dlc that begs for more space...

How much money are they loosing because people don't have enough storage...
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Yep, I was wondering the same thing on the last page:
Kenak said:
Actually I wonder if Microsoft could do everything over again, if they would have gone with a bigger initial HDD or made the price a bit lower. The biggest limiter in my 360 digital purchases are the HDD space, where I have to constantly delete stuff just to make room. I actually haven't bought anything for a couple of months thanks to this. I wonder how much money they're missing out on in that regard compared to new HDD purchases.
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Kenak said:
Yep, I was wondering the same thing on the last page:
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We're wondering the same thing, if MS is smart they start looking into this! My guess is they are missing up on possible DLC revenu due to limiting space and high priced storage.
 
BigNastyCurve said:
Personally, I rotate through a series of games at any one given time. Any more questions?

edit: I also cannot see how anyone defends this fuckstickery of consumers at the hands of Microsoft. Anyone who does is just a fool with money.
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I think I have 10 games installed and still have 30-40 gb left on the drive. How many games do you rotate through?

Then again, how is adding USB storage as
an option "fuckstickery" at all? You'd rather they NOT add it?
 
Chrange said:
I think I have 10 games installed and still have 30-40 gb left on the drive. How many games do you rotate through?

Then again, how is adding USB storage as
an option "fuckstickery" at all? You'd rather they NOT add it?
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He's just being a dip trying to start stuff that has no relation to the actual discussion at hand.
EDIT: At least the discussions he's quoting :p
 
DarkoMaledictus said:
How much money are they loosing because people don't have enough storage...
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Not much. This solution will work for the vast majority of XBOX users. Most power users on the other hand will most likely pay for the HDD upgrade. All companies get most of their profits from hardcore users. They are less sensitive to price premiums.
 
Kenak said:
I'd assume so. If Microsoft put in some sort of system to block that, then I could see reason to be up in arms :lol
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Yeah, if you can copy data to and from the 360 partition then I'm not buying another HD. I already have a 500GB portable with eSata.
 
PopcornMegaphone said:
Not much. This solution will work for the vast majority of XBOX users. Most power users on the other hand will most likely pay for the HDD upgrade. All companies get most of their profits from hardcore users. They are less sensitive to price premiums.
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I would tend to disagree, the core is a very small percentage, look at nintendo... their main revenu is from the common user not the hardcore. The market is changing and games have become mainstream... i'm pretty sure you would be surprised at the amount of money they are missing out because of this...

Myself I have all systems, sure I'm part of the core.. but when I buy DLC I buy it on ps3. Why? Because I dont want to buy an overpriced HD and I think the yearly enrollement they have is bullshit... so just with me they are missing on a lot of sales, i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one doing this!

My xbox has become an exclusive only console and is no longer multiplayer oriented... am I missing out on a great online experience? Sure, but i mainly play street fighter online so I have a pc and ps3 fix for that.

All this has been basicaly because of low hd space and yeah that gold membership they have... So yea,h I would say some sales they should be making are going south because of this...
 
DarkoMaledictus said:
I would tend to disagree, the core is a very small percentage, look at nintendo... their main revenu is from the common user not the hardcore. The market is changing nad games have become mainstream... i'm pretty sure you would be surprised at the amount of money they are missing out because of this...
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You mean the Wii that doesn't include a HDD and has really expensive peripherals? You really think 16GB isn't enough for the vast majority of consumers? 16GB gives you a game install (optional) and quite a bit of DLC. If consumers run out of space they can always buy a 2nd drive.

I have a 20 GB harddrive and I have no plans for a flash drive.


DarkoMaledictus said:
Myself I have all systems, sure I'm part of the core.. but when I buy DLC I buy it on ps3. Why? Because I dont want to buy an overpriced HD and I think the yearly enrollement they have is bullshit... so just with me they are missing on a lot of sales, i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one doing this!
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:lol
 
PopcornMegaphone said:
You mean the Wii that doesn't include a HDD and has really expensive peripherals? You really think 16GB isn't enough for the vast majority of consumers? 16GB gives you a game install (optional) and quite a bit of DLC. If consumers run out of space they can always buy a 2nd drive.

I have a 20 GB harddrive and I have no plans for a flash drive.




:lol
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Sure its not enough... have you thought about HD movies, game install and DLC... Blu ray movies alone are HUGE. So yeah 16 gb is still a joke... If I would be them I would make storage cheap. The more storage people have, the more they are enclined to purchase dlc online... a filled hd will not help your online sales...
 
The cap sucks, but I'd rather have this with the cap, than no standard usb support for games at all.

Seems like there should be an easy way to have an external USB HD with several 16gb partitions that could be hidden. Only problem would be you'd have to plug it up to a PC to hide/unhide them.

I ordered the smallest usb stick I have ever seen, the super talent pico mini-a. It's a 16GB 200X usb2.0 (reads/writes like 30/10 MB/sec - basically in the range of the fastest you can get right now.)

It was 30 bucks shipped from here. I think it's 31 now as it has gone up a buck. There's a $5 coupon at top of the page, ends today. Shipping was about 2 bucks for me. Got here in a couple days, maybe three.

I wanted this style due to size since it will be sticking out of my 360. Also, no activity light which is plus for this usage for me. When plugged in, the external part is literally about the size of a dime.
 
SapientWolf said:
That sucks balls. Oh well.
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I think he meant you can't install to it and use it on another 360. Not sure if you could move it to a HDD and then back and use it on the same 360 or not.
 
Cynar said:
This will be nice instead of having to recover my gamertag I can just bring it with me to my friends place. :D
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I used a cheap 64MB memory card I bought, but the profile was still like 50 goddamn MB's. Downloading that each time would have taken forever, since MS obviously slows the speed of recovering profiles to make you buy a memory card. At least now I can carry around games, maps, and DLC and other shit
 
After doing some checking i realized that 16 gigs usb devices are way too expensive where i live (chile) to use with an xbox arcade, an xbox arcade + two 16 GB pendrives is not that cheap compared to an xbox elite with a 120 gb hard disk, the xbox elite is a better value for my money.
 
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