famousmortimer
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Thing we don't have an advantage in is meaningless, says every exec ever.
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Xbox boss says hardware analysis between consoles is meaningless
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flyingmonkeywhoa
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This is the only relevant metric
Preorder cancelled
Wishmaster92
Member
Lol, is this the new "DID YOU SEE TITANFALL"
OrangeYouGlad
Banned
This is the only relevant metric
Amazing. These are metrics I can get behind.
LittleJohnny
Banned
PS3 was twice the power of 360... on paper that is, the games really proved otherwise and they will once again. That's what the man is saying and I agree with him. *Puts flame suit on.
Meus Renaissance
Member
There is too much discussion on the theoretical performance levels when comparing the two and not enough on what extent, if any, that difference will show. Let's assume we will see X amount of difference 18 months after release. The crucial question is would X difference be enough for an Xbox One - or someone who is looking to purchase their first console - be so significant that they decide to purchase the PS4?
If not, then this debate is pointless
If not, then this debate is pointless
Cannot wait for games to start coming out, I wanna see what this "power of the cloud" thing is all about.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
If you measure "power" in terms of what is likely to be achieved rather than in terms of maximum potential given no other realistic constraints, the PS3 wasn't more powerful than the 360. (And I should say "on average," because obviously Sony first party games lived up to the PS3's potential much more often than did 3rd party games.)
The PS4, fortunately, was built to walk the middle ground between extreme theoretical power and usability.
It's the most cunning form of reverse psychology ever seen.
I thought that was herpes?... ok, so not much difference between the two.
He's absolutely right. It's all about the games, I couldn't give a shit about the operations per clock etc when I'm playing Quantum Break or Infamous. Who here actually does that. Personally I think those that go out of their way to shove 'number's down other peoples throat are simply trying to justify their preorder. My advise; just be happy with your purchase and enjoy it 
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Most of my family and friends will probably convert to Xbox One so that is also a big factor.
Loosing it?
He's absolutely right. It's all about the games, I couldn't give a shit about the operations per clock etc when I'm playing Quantum Break or Infamous. Who here actually does that. Personally I think those that go out of their way to shove 'number's down other peoples throat are simply trying to justify their preorder. My advise; just be happy with your purchase and enjoy it
He is right. Maybe then also, he should stop shoving the cloud and 5 billion transistors down our throats since they're meaningless.
This is just to counter what Cerny said at Gamelab and they know they have nothing that they can say against him.
All this guy is, is a hypocrite who says specs don't matter, yet spew out meaningless turd like 5 billion transistors.
In the end, it's the games that matters, but those games are also affected by the final specs in the end.
robertsan21
Member
yeah sorry, they already did drop the ball entirely, hopefully its to late to turn it around this coming Gen.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
I'm just glad we won't have a generation arguing which console is in fact stronger when we already know it now and it's pretty definitive.
We'll have to come up with something new, get to it guys. Got a few months to figure it out.
We'll have to come up with something new, get to it guys. Got a few months to figure it out.
Dark Octave
Banned
It doesn't matter because games get made for the weaker/easier system and ported to the other one anyway.
dragonelite
Member
He's absolutely right. It's all about the games, I couldn't give a shit about the operations per clock etc when I'm playing Quantum Break or Infamous. Who here actually does that. Personally I think those that go out of their way to shove 'number's down other peoples throat are simply trying to justify their preorder. My advise; just be happy with your purchase and enjoy it
The number games is pre release pr talk and fanboy fodders
After release it will be list wars.
Im getting an x1 i dont see myself missing an halo or forza after playing them on the 360. Get the box that has the games you want to play if you want tflops and godly image quality get an high end gaming rig...
In this case, that easier system is the PS4. Cerny even said in Gamelab that all third parties asked for unified memory. There's a reason for that and more than likely PS4 will be lead dev platform then port down to XBONE.
I think the real answer will be found 2 years from now. If multiplatform games look better on PS4, will it allow PS4 to pull away and sell more software? The 360 being the lead platform and having stable FPS on titles like Madden in the early days did establish it as the machine to purchase your 3rd Party games on. It is pretty important to a lot of people.
He is absolutely wrong when he says that it doesn't matter to people. If one console is as far ahead as specs indicate, then it will make a difference in people's perception of the box.
Albert Penello
Member
I appreciate those who understand the point I was trying to get across. Its always hard, after sitting doing interviews all day, and youre trying to have an engaging conversation with someone, and words get pulled out our the tone what youre trying to say didnt come out how you meant it.
You should also understand this interview was done after our launch event, and prior to E3. So please take that into consideration.
Im not diminishing Sonys performance claims and I wasnt trying to be arrogant or dismissive. What I was trying to say is Im not Sonys engineering team. So I cant comment on what they have published as specs. I know what our teams are doing, and I know how they thought about architecting the system. The guys who are building these machines (on both sides) are unbelievably talented and experts in their field. Nobody knows the specifics of how the machines are architected or if there may be bottlenecks in one system or accelerators in another that change the impact of the published specs.
What I believe is that our games are going to be great and they are going to look next-gen, and I *think* E3 sort of showed that. And great games are what matters. And while you guys joke about the cloud stuff, I think the stuff the Respawn guys have said starts to clear up what weve been talking about with cloud performance (cue the have you seen Titanfall meme)
Games on both systems looked awesome. I was there, and while I know RISE took a hit on the gameplay that was shown, I thought it was the most next-gen looking game I saw on either platform. Of course, I get Im biased and I didnt have time to see everything.
As always, I love taking the hits. And I appreciate that while the words I used may were probably worth some scrutiny, I do appreciate that some of you got what I was trying to say.
(BTW the picture in that article is not me, but it is my good looking friend Kevin who works in Marketing)
You should also understand this interview was done after our launch event, and prior to E3. So please take that into consideration.
Im not diminishing Sonys performance claims and I wasnt trying to be arrogant or dismissive. What I was trying to say is Im not Sonys engineering team. So I cant comment on what they have published as specs. I know what our teams are doing, and I know how they thought about architecting the system. The guys who are building these machines (on both sides) are unbelievably talented and experts in their field. Nobody knows the specifics of how the machines are architected or if there may be bottlenecks in one system or accelerators in another that change the impact of the published specs.
What I believe is that our games are going to be great and they are going to look next-gen, and I *think* E3 sort of showed that. And great games are what matters. And while you guys joke about the cloud stuff, I think the stuff the Respawn guys have said starts to clear up what weve been talking about with cloud performance (cue the have you seen Titanfall meme)
Games on both systems looked awesome. I was there, and while I know RISE took a hit on the gameplay that was shown, I thought it was the most next-gen looking game I saw on either platform. Of course, I get Im biased and I didnt have time to see everything.
As always, I love taking the hits. And I appreciate that while the words I used may were probably worth some scrutiny, I do appreciate that some of you got what I was trying to say.
(BTW the picture in that article is not me, but it is my good looking friend Kevin who works in Marketing)
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
Prices are meaningless numbers
But you want to play those titles with impressive graphics. The same way that people want to play Nintendo or Sony titles that are improved.
I think the thing that will make the most difference is $399 right away. Games looking better on one platform will be a word of mouth thing that carries into years 2 and 3 of the system.
Vermillion
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This
Actually, that's why I'm getting a PS4, too. If KHIII and FFXV were coming to Wii U, this would be unnecessary.
But, I already expected the latter to be on PS4, so I can't really complain, yah?
Why doesn't Microsoft publish their specs? Do you believe that specs would be published in more detail if they were on par on better than Sony's platform. 8GB of RAM and 5 Billion Transistors were something brought up during your press conference. Two specifications that on the surface level before looking at the type of RAM look on par with Sony.
Also, when you look at launch titles it is more difficult to tell what the generation will look like 2-3 years from now when better specifications like a better GPU and less splintered RAM would have an impact on performance of both 1st party and 3rd party titles. How long into the generation does it take for those specifications to matter in your opinion?
Says the 1%.
He's a hypocrite that knows a damn sight more than you, me or anyone else on GAF. We should leave the tech talk to the experts and do what we do best, games. I think we should wait for side by side comparisons for multiplats, that's only way we, the consumers, can compare these things.
flyingmonkeywhoa
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You and Respawn have some sort of partnership going on, hence the timed exclusivity, so why would they be anymore credible on discussing the "infinite power of the cloud" than Microsoft itself?
Maybe if you guys spent more time discussing the tech side of the cloud as Mark Cerny has been doing with the PS4 instead of sounding arrogant in practically all of your interviews, this would not be such an issue. It all sounds like fluff to make up for the fact that your console is underpowered.
This just in: Microsoft boss doesn't know how to spell the name of his own game, it's Ryse (I'm sure it was an honest typo)
You do know your logic is pretty much flawed especially at the beginning of this generation where we'll have multiple cross-generational games. I mean, hell, ACIV is being released on 8 platforms!
Interfectum
Member
Why not release the specs? What are you afraid of?
flyingmonkeywhoa
Banned
I wasn't being serious
Well said, but many enjoy PS4 exclusives too. There are some things PC rigs will never get to play unfortunately. Also getting an X1 as I prefer it's controller and exclusives not to mention what looks like an amazing OS and later in the cycle I'll enjoy the PS4 exclusives
I posted the GIF because he couldn't spell RYSE correctly, not in regards to you.
Specs are meaningless IF;
A. You are not the most powerful but are still the 'lead platform'
B. You are the most powerful but are not the lead platform
Specs are very meaningful IF
C. You are the most powerful and the 'lead platform'
D. You are not the most powerful and are NOT the 'lead platform'
A. You are not the most powerful but are still the 'lead platform'
B. You are the most powerful but are not the lead platform
Specs are very meaningful IF
C. You are the most powerful and the 'lead platform'
D. You are not the most powerful and are NOT the 'lead platform'
Pretty much this. Nothing wrong with releasing the specs. It's not meaningless to everybody. Some people actually are curious or want to know.
It's meaningless to you guys because you know, when in comparison with the PS4, your console is weaker. By not releasing specs, you guys are showing that specs do matter.
Uno Venova
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He's absolutely right. It's all about the games, I couldn't give a shit about the operations per clock etc when I'm playing Quantum Break or Infamous. Who here actually does that. Personally I think those that go out of their way to shove 'number's down other peoples throat are simply trying to justify their preorder. My advise; just be happy with your purchase and enjoy it
I don't think he can be wrong or right on that statement until people see the differences between multiplat games.
Well said, but many enjoy PS4 exclusives too. There are some things PC rigs will never get to play unfortunately. Also getting an X1 as I prefer it's controller and exclusives not to mention what looks like an amazing OS and later in the cycle I'll enjoy the PS4 exclusives
Lol Love how people are judging the Ps4 controller to be inferior when they haven't tried it out themselves yet, chalk up the XBONE controller, when they also have not tried it out themselves. I'm keeping an open mind about both controllers.
Add to that, people seem to be ignoring the various sites that have praised the DS4.
I wish the Xbox were even less powerful so the PS4 just got the 60fps port.
NullPointer
Member
When is the last time Microsoft hyped up some potential for the Xbox and it actually panned out?
Trusting in potential requires that there is some credibility to the claims.
Respawn said to trust in da cloud, therefore trust in da cloud.