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Xbox Fitness Officially Announced

Don't forget guys, Kinect 2.0 can now measure your BMI and also track weight distribution!

My wife flipped out after seeing this. I have a feeling a lot of our friends will also.

Also, as a martial arts instructor that deals with people in terrible health all the time and as someone married to a nutritionist/herbalist I hope that MS also grabs up a good nutritional program along with these workouts, or at least encourages one. Being fit and healthy is a balance of diet and exercise.

Now IMO what would make this service perfect is if they get a real T'ai chi ch'uan instructor to really help round out all of the workout methods and also for the elderly who would also like to stay in shape.
 
Can they make Xbox Physical Therapy with a nice soothing voice telling me to do basic things while I scream at them? Insurance only covers 20 visits a year here and I max out early on with a new problem each year so that would be helpful.

I know a lot of people shrug at these announcements, but it's a big thing to have for the casual market that they've been trying to target and I know my mom loved it when I bought her Wii Fit and all that but the problem here is the entry price point still.
 
This could be wonderful actually.

Edit: What's this I hear about 2 subscriptions required?

So... I'll need a Gold XBL membership and a Monthly paid Fitness membership in order to utilize this thing?
 
How long does it take you to burn that 450 calories (Please tell me this isn't based on the notoriously inaccurate readings of a treadmill or elliptical)? How long does it take me to not eat those calories? (Hint: Not eating takes absolutely zero minutes:zero seconds) Also, how much more accurate is the calorie content of food vs the calculation of calorie expenditure of exercise (Assuming weight fluctuation and varying levels of intensity)? I lift heavily (for me) 3-4x/week but I don't count it toward my I/O because I don't lift heavily to burn calories, I lift heavily (with low reps/fewer sets) in order to preserve strength and muscle mass while cutting.

Fat loss is a war won in the kitchen, not in the gym. The only people who will tell you different are people who want to sell you something. Don't get me wrong, exercise is essential for overall fitness, strength, and physique - but it's about the hardest way to create a caloric deficit that you could find. Not only that, but if you exercise wrongly during a cut, you can actually damage your physique and strength goals if that's what you're going for. There is a time and place for more intense, calorie expending exercise during a cut (near the end) - but if you start at a high level of energy expenditure you have nowhere else to go when you hit the last few body fat percentage points or lbs/kgs - except to cut calories when your motivation and energy will be lowest. Unless you're chemically enhanced or have truly exceptional willpower, you will crash hard.

These programs (P90x, etc) will bring results for overfat noobs because pretty much any not-absolutely-stupid program can transform a couch potato into a moderately fit person. Nonetheless, they are overly difficult roads to that goal and their endless promotion is part of the reason more people don't have truly fit physiques or strength. I can't speak to endurance here because that does require a totally different approach. But if you want to exercise primarily to feel good, get stronger, and look good naked, there are much, much easier ways to get there and I only wish I'd have learned that lesson a whole lot earlier than I did.

Finally, if you rely on a coach or a workout buddy to get you fit, what do you do when that external crutch is gone? It's like hiring a chef to cook you meals to cut calories. Yes, you do require the motivation to follow through and you do have to suffer deprivation, but you never have to learn to do it yourself or find an intrinsically enjoyable reason to do it. In the case of these programs they are deliberately more difficult because convincing you that it's difficult creates the need for a coach in the first damn place.

For you dieting may be easier than working out but for a lot of people, including myself, its harder. I find working out to be therapeutic and an enjoyable activity, so yeah id rather eat that pizza or ice cream and bust my ass in the gym than not have the pizza and be thinking about pizza all the time.
 
If it really works that would be wonderful and I would have no problem with a subscription.

My problem is that there are no real reviews for such a system :(

I want someone to try this out for 2 months and give a real report but that is never going to happen, just like with all the other fitness game stuff.
 
I don't understand why it wouldn't be made available outside the US. I live in Scotland and I can buy all the beachbody workouts direct from the beachbody website OR I can buy most of the them from Aamzon.co.uk.

But, personally speaking, as a gamer this is an awesome feature that was entirely unexpected. I finished a complete block of Insanity and I'm currently about to finish the Alpha phase of T25. If I can get teh sort of feedback from my form and progress that this promises then ill be signed up from the day this becomes available.
 
For the people complaining, how is this a bad thing?
At least, it is optional.. and choices, as far as I can tell from this forum, is not a bad thing.

If Kinect2 is so sensitive to make this really work, then it is an unknown amount of added bonus to Xbox One. Quickly, does someone have figures on how big the "home training market"-is? (Those no good training peripherals that are sold on tvshop channels.. abflex etc etc but also these kind of quick training programs such as P90X etc) By including kinect in every box, MS has effectively entered and is competing with that market)

And by having kinect bundled together with every box, these kind of training-games or what you can call them, have the chance of becoming bigger than what for example Wii fit and such ever was.

Was there any information on how much the subcription fee was?

My suggestion is that MS should somehow have an inhouse section handling these kinds of software for Xbox One. How much further can this be taken? learn to dance, learn to play some instrument, different kind of trainings.. someone mentioned tai chi, why not Yoga and pilates...

This opens up a totally new segment, a segment which Sony cannot really compete with due to lack of bundled in camera.

If pricing is set appropiate and if the quality is good, then this can be quite a big thing for Xbox One sales.. (and peoples health :)

But the bottom line.. this is optional, so how is this a bad thing?
 
For you dieting may be easier than working out but for a lot of people, including myself, its harder. I find working out to be therapeutic and an enjoyable activity, so yeah id rather eat that pizza or ice cream and bust my ass in the gym than not have the pizza and be thinking about pizza all the time.

I agree. I know people who have just cut out all the rubbish in their diet and they have lost loads of weight with very little exercise. Me, I have lost well over 20 pounds. Possibly more, but I have gained a bit of muscle mass which is probably offsetting some of the lost weight. But I made the decision to exercise. Not only to lose weight, but to get fit.
 
That is a really interesting idea. Fitness-Apps as Services instead of games could be the way to go. I've never heard of P90x before (maybe it's an American thing only, I don't know) and I personally prefer a real gym + Wii Fit (U) instead of this. It sorta looks like a DVD with some Kinect-feedback, which, remembering some Kinect 1 fitness games-reviews, could be better. But maybe it is and this turns out to be really cool. Now that All-in-One concept seems to make more sense too. Cool move, Microsoft.
 
Yeah, and most people don't realize that these fitness workouts are horrible on your body. Esp things like P90x. Muscle Fatigue is not a good thing to have during a workout.
 
I go to the gym and I play A5 soccer.
Thanks M$, but this app seems ridiculous to me (based on my experience)
 
let's see;
Wii Remote = Kinect
Miis = Xbox Avatar
Wii Sports Resort = Kinect Resort
Wii U Pad = Smartglass
Wii Fit = Xbox fitness
etc

Cant blame Nintendo for being soo secretive.

All the three big players copy each other all the time, but Nintendo does generally do its own thing (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse).

For anyone specifically wanting a fitness thing, Wii Fit U will have a few major advantages over this. The balance board (advantage for weigh ins and tracking), off-TV play (again advantage for quick and easy weigh-ins etc) and of course a far lower cost of entry. But in reality, I think many people did the Wii Fit thing and moved on, and they'll see both this and Wii Fit U as more of the same. After all, that Kinect Nike Plus training thing was a massive flop too.
 
That is a really interesting idea. Fitness-Apps as Services instead of games could be the way to go. I've never heard of P90x before (maybe it's an American thing only, I don't know) and I personally prefer a real gym + Wii Fit (U) instead of this.

Yeah, it's an American born programme which is very popular around the world.

Some people will always prefer going to the Gym rather than doing stuff at home and I can understand that. Personally speaking, I spent hundreds, if not a couple of thousand, pounds in Gym memberships over the years and I lost very little weight and gained very little fitness from it. I spent 2 months focussed on Insanity and lost the most weight I ever managed in one period and achieved a level of fitness I've never had before. I used to turn my nose up at home based exercise programmes, now I swear by them.
 
Yeah, it's an American born programme which is very popular around the world.

Some people will always prefer going to the Gym rather than doing stuff at home and I can understand that. Personally speaking, I spent hundreds, if not a couple of thousand, pounds in Gym memberships over the years and I lost very little weight and gained very little fitness from it. I spent 2 months focussed on Insanity and lost the most weight I ever managed in one period and achieved a level of fitness I've never had before. I used to turn my nose up at home based exercise programmes, now I swear by them.

That is really cool, whatever works for you, mate! :)
Maybe I should give this insanity program a try then.
 
I go to the gym and I play A5 soccer.
Thanks M$, but this app seems ridiculous to me.

Huh, I know that this might sound strange but.. perhaps this works for someone else.
Obviously this is not for you, but could be a perfect fit for someone or many others..

I know, a mindboggling thought so sit down for a bit and contemplate about this...
 
this may just be the system seller MSFT needs - still don't think it'll be very mainstream but it could work

wonder if sony has anything similar planned
 
Yeah, and most people don't realize that these fitness workouts are horrible on your body. Esp things like P90x. Muscle Fatigue is not a good thing to have during a workout.

This strikes me as a very strange sentiment to have without further explanation on your part. It's kinda like:

"Fuck breathing man. Terrible for your lungs. All that particulate matter in the air. People are just straight up ignorant sometimes I swear."
 
Huh, I know that this might sound strange but.. perhaps this works for someone else.
Obviously this is not for you, but could be a perfect fit for someone or many others..

I know, a mindboggling thought so sit down for a bit and contemplate about this...

It's ridiculous because doing gym in front of a tv without tools is very ineffective.
 
All the three big players copy each other all the time, but Nintendo does generally do its own thing (sometimes for better, sometimes for worse).

For anyone specifically wanting a fitness thing, Wii Fit U will have a few major advantages over this. The balance board (advantage for weigh ins and tracking), off-TV play (again advantage for quick and easy weigh-ins etc) and of course a far lower cost of entry. But in reality, I think many people did the Wii Fit thing and moved on, and they'll see both this and Wii Fit U as more of the same. After all, that Kinect Nike Plus training thing was a massive flop too.


I was wondering if Kinect Nike was a flop or not. This still isn't a bad idea by Microsoft but this really isn't going to be a killer app for a $500 game console unless you already were planning to buy it. They really shouldn't put this behind their pay wall and hopefully the extra workouts are cheap. Plus paying a monthly fee for workouts when I can just buy/ borrow the videos or watch people on YouTube seems kind of silly.
 
It's ridiculous because doing gym in front of a tv without tools is very ineffective.

What are you even talking about? For one, there are lots of trainings that work with out tools, lots of concepts.

And it also depends on what kind of results you want to have. Do you want to Schwarznegger-ize your self, then you need to be hitting the gym and steroids.

But for example, the tabata concept works very good without tools..but then you are not out to build big muscles.

Perhaps your POV is stuck on building Mr Olympia sized muscles.. Change POV and you will notice that the world can be beautiful sometimes.. ;)
 
It's ridiculous because doing gym in front of a tv without tools is very ineffective.

This is complete rubbish...

I have personally completed the Insanity workout and I lost a pile of weight, gained a good level of tone around my arms, legs and core areas and achieved a level of fitness I have never had before. Now I am doing T-25, another programme that doesn't use tools (Well, the first half anyway) and I am still losing weight, gaining muscle mass and getting fitter.

Then we have the thousands of other people who have completed the Insanity workout and the countless other 'tool-less' workout programmes and lost weight. You only have to go on the beachbody forums and see the before and after section to see real world results - hell, even look at Neogaf's beachbody OT to see how successful the programme is.
 
Yeah, it's an American born programme which is very popular around the world.

Some people will always prefer going to the Gym rather than doing stuff at home and I can understand that. Personally speaking, I spent hundreds, if not a couple of thousand, pounds in Gym memberships over the years and I lost very little weight and gained very little fitness from it. I spent 2 months focussed on Insanity and lost the most weight I ever managed in one period and achieved a level of fitness I've never had before. I used to turn my nose up at home based exercise programmes, now I swear by them.

I know it is a bit of a holy war (as above), but in my opinion:

Gym, knowing what you are doing > fitness programs (P90X et al) >> Gym, not knowing what you are doing.

I used to go to the gym a lot and did things here and there but wasn't really getting anywhere. P90X as a structured program has taught me a lot about fitness, my body and different exercises I can do. After getting good results, I know feel like I'm ready to actually use the gym properly.

There is a lot of great info in the Beachbody Workouts thread in community...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459109

...and I'd recommend anybody interested in this to check it out. There are different strengths to each workout. For example I lost little to no weight in P90X, but I went from doing no pullups to over 100.
Similarly with insanity/T25 I turned my best 5km run time into the same time twice in a row for a 10km.

Do I look big and buffed or did I lose a lot of weight? No, not at all because it isn't necessarily about that. But with the right expectations it can be very effective.
 
People need to check the reviews of P90X and Insanity on Amazon. They're rated really high. If the fee for this is around $10 per month I can see a lot of people using it.
 
Perhaps your POV is stuck on building Mr Olympia sized muscles..

Absolutely not. I'm not that kind of people.
I just think that if you want lose weight is way better go running 40 minutes instead of doing gym without tools in front a tv :)
 
I know it is a bit of a holy war, but in my opinion:

Gym, knowing what you are doing > fitness programs (P90X et al) >> Gym, not knowing what you are doing.

I used to go to the gym a lot and did things here and there but wasn't really getting anywhere. P90X as a structured program has taught me a lot about fitness, my body and different exercises I can do. After getting good results, I know feel like I'm ready to actually use the gym properly.

Yep, I would agree with this. Doing a structured programme like these not only teaches you how to look after your body from a physical and nutritional sense, but it also trains your mindset and enables you to dedicate and push yourself whether that be in the home or in the Gym. Thinking about it, I could probably apply myself more and get more out of a Gym membership now than I had before doing these programmes.

But I am also of the mindset now that I know what I can achieve and get out of these programmes that doesn't require I leave the house or go somewhere to train after work or require a constant monthly membership. I can slot it in to my daily routine alot easier knowing all I need to do to start is go up the stairs to my bedroom, change and slip a DVD into the tray. I also acheived the results I did with a minimal single payment that will reward me everytime I do it for as long as I want.

If this fitness programme offers access to all these different training programmes for a minimal fee, with the addition of real time biometrics, community encouragement, friendly fitness tournaments and seeing stats that you can push yourself to beat each time - this will be good value for money.
 
This strikes me as a very strange sentiment to have without further explanation on your part. It's kinda like:

"Fuck breathing man. Terrible for your lungs. All that particulate matter in the air. People are just straight up ignorant sometimes I swear."
I'm not saying it's bad, but these extensive type of workouts are. Maybe Kinect could act like a personal trainer? That would be cool if it could show you to slow down in your work out. Bulking up is a pretty big fad these days, so it makes sense for Microsoft to do so but doesn't mean it's healthy as say a regular measured work out by a personal training. Not that I'm one, but I know enough.
 
I won't get my hopes high. This probably won't be available in lowest priority EU countries. So blah. But nice for other people.
 
This sounds pretty amazing. Great move by MS. Kinect actually servers a purpose here.

People need to understand that beachbody workouts are really popular and one set like Insanity costs around 120 euro. This includes multiple ones.

I wouldn't use it myself, but people being down on this are crazy.
I'm not saying it's bad, but these extensive type of workouts are. Maybe Kinect could act like a personal trainer? That would be cool if it could show you to slow down in your work out. Bulking up is a pretty big fad these days, so it makes sense for Microsoft to do so but doesn't mean it's healthy as say a regular measured work out by a personal training. Not that I'm one, but I know enough.
Based on what?
 
For you dieting may be easier than working out but for a lot of people, including myself, its harder. I find working out to be therapeutic and an enjoyable activity, so yeah id rather eat that pizza or ice cream and bust my ass in the gym than not have the pizza and be thinking about pizza all the time.
You don't understand - I can eat the pizza or ice cream on my diet.

Figure out your maintenance calories. (I use myfitnesspal app)

Subtract 750 calories from maintenance (I use 750. 500 is too slow, 1000 is brutal. On myfitnesspal, 750 calories = 1.5lbs/week setting). Adjust your calories as lose weight and your maintenance calories decrease - myfitnesspal automatically adjusts every 10lbs.

Eat your lean body mass lbs number in grams of protein. Example: 250lbs at 40% body fat = 250 x .40 = 100lbs of fat. 250 - 100 = 150lbs lean mass. Eat 150g of protein/day give or take. (you can estimate body fat loosely using a site that figures it based on body measurement ratios with measuring tape - I eventually used body fat calipers). Protein supplements help. The rest of your calories can be anything you want.

Lift heavy weights 3x/week. I usually use 3-4 sets of 5 reps, energy level determines number of sets. I do push/pull. Push day is bench, squat, shoulders, triceps, calves. Pull is pull-ups, chins, rack deads (if you didn't do squats the day before) abs, biceps. Just alternate days wherever it's convenient.

I also personally do Intermittent Fasting. That means you fast for 16 hours (you're sleeping for 8 of those 16) and eat maintenance minus 750 calories in that 8 hour eating window between fasts. That's why I can eat fast food, pizza, or ice cream on a diet (within reason). After a week or less, intermittent fasting feels natural. Small snack to break the fast before lifting, big meal after lifting on lift days, break the fast with a big meal on non-lifting days.
 
Diet is actually an important part of P90x and Insanity. Nice try though.
Right, but what is that diet? Are you counting calories? Getting enough protein? Able to fill the rest of your calorie allowance with whatever you want? I was hungry all day long before intermittent fasting. Hell, even my girlfriend uses it now.
 
Right, but what is that diet? Are you counting calories? Getting enough protein? Able to fill the rest of your calorie allowance with whatever you want? I was hungry all day long before intermittent fasting. Hell, even my girlfriend uses it now.
Does that matter? There are different diets, some more effective than others. Some diets work better on other people. There are diets for specific purposes as well. Some are geared towards gaining weight(which I imagine is in the P90x program). There is no end all diet.
 
Does that matter? There are different diets, some more effective than others. Some diets work better on other people. There is no end all diet.
You're right! The diet that works is the right diet for you - I was just posting what worked for me losing 45-50lbs in 4.5 months.
 
So much salt,

Oh look after all this bitching about Kinect being useless, they show a pretty good looking application for it so let's talk about sub fees that are not forced on us unless we want to use a product...which are also not taken into effect until you have had a year of tying said product out!!

Is there a game that need be purchased first or is it a pure service? Free for a year without any purchase would be awesome

I would like to see how much better the new Kinect is at tracking, I had issues with it in my basement lighting
 
You really think a mom is going to go out to the store and pay $500 plus a gold subscription just for fitness.

Lol child please
Well Timmy can play Minecraft, Tom the Dad can do his Fantasy Football and she can use this. That's the approach they're taking and if you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.
 
So much salt,

Oh look after all this bitching about Kinect being useless, they show a pretty good looking application for it so let's talk about sub fees that are not forced on us unless we want to use a product...which are also not taken into effect until you have had a year of tying said product out!!

Is there a game that need be purchased first or is it a pure service? Free for a year without any purchase would be awesome

I would like to see how much better the new Kinect is at tracking, I had issues with it in my basement lighting
The program actually looks exemplary for what it is - I simply don't like these sorts of coaches.
 
So much salt,

Oh look after all this bitching about Kinect being useless, they show a pretty good looking application for it so let's talk about sub fees that are not forced on us unless we want to use a product...which are also not taken into effect until you have had a year of tying said product out!!

Is there a game that need be purchased first or is it a pure service? Free for a year without any purchase would be awesome

I would like to see how much better the new Kinect is at tracking, I had issues with it in my basement lighting

The bitching about Kinect being useless is mainly aimed at its gaming uses, and that pretty much still stands. Sure it's not forced, but it's still ridiculous to expect users to pay 2 different subscription fees for the service. Microsoft isn't forcing people to use Netflix on their systems, but people still have a right to bitch when they expect you to pay a subscription service on top of the one you're already paid when virtually no other platform requires that. Either make it a separate subscription service which doesn't require XBLG or incorporate it into XBLG altogether.
 
This is exactly what I was hoping for.

I have a few fitness games with my 360 that have worked. But this looks on a whole other level.
 
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