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I'd rather remove (or make optional during install) all AI instead of "less AI clutter", but we'll see what this actually translates to. I, for one, don't believe that they're going to do a good job of this. Since Windows 11, they haven't done a single thing right that I can think of.
 
K2? why not K1?

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For gaming, Microsoft views steamOS as the benchmark, and is working to optimize the platform so that steamOS and Windows gaming performance are comparable. Within the next year or two, it believes that Windows will be able to truly compete head-to-head with steamOS in gaming performance on identical hardware due to foundational changes that are being made to the platform in the coming months.
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So perhaps in 2028 we will finally see Windows 11 running games specifically made for Windows with the same performance as a Linux based OS that's running non native Windows games using Wine and Proton... The incompetence of Microsoft is just astonishing.
 
Windows has been due for a "clean up" upgrade that focuses on performance for a long time now.

Apple does this periodically as well, with iOS and MacOS, so it's not surprising. You can't just keep piling on new "features" without optimizing the system.

The big issue for Microsoft, in my opinion, is that they've lost some of their top tier engineers so everything takes even longer now.
 
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twilo99 said:
Windows has been due for a "clean up" upgrade that focuses on performance for a long time now.

Apple does this periodically as well, with iOS and MacOS, so it's not surprising. You can't just keep piling on new "features" without optimizing the system.

The big issue for Microsoft, in my opinion, is that they've lost some of their top tier engineers so everything takes even longer now.
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Mac and iOS have the advantage that noone expects longterm backwards compatibility.

if you own a new Mac it's basically expected that older programs are incompatible with it, but on Windows it's expected that even stuff made for Windows 3.1 still works.

the sole reason your default Windows install drive letter is C:, and why subsequent SSDs, HDDs and CD/DVD/BD drives get D:, E:, F, etc., is because A: and B: are by default reserved for floppy drives.
if you connect a USB floppy drive to a Windows 11 PC it will get assigned the letter A:. if you connect a second one it's gonna get B:, because many older programs of the Pre-HDD era expect those 2 drive letters to have the data they need.

that's how far Microsoft goes to keep old software compatible, even if you need to tinker a little bit with compatibility modes and stuff.


so Windows is bloated by default in some regards. and that bloat will never be cleaned up
 
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twilo99 said:
I've had zero issues with it.
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What did you think you were going to accomplish with this response? Do you think that because you personally have had no issues that that means Windows 11 is being handled well despite the myriad of complaints leveled against Microsoft for various issues that span across entire facets of the OS?
 
IFireflyl said:
What did you think you were going to accomplish with this response? Do you think that because you personally have had no issues that that means Windows 11 is being handled well despite the myriad of complaints leveled against Microsoft for various issues that span across entire facets of the OS?
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Yes.
 
IFireflyl said:
What did you think you were going to accomplish with this response? Do you think that because you personally have had no issues that that means Windows 11 is being handled well despite the myriad of complaints leveled against Microsoft for various issues that span across entire facets of the OS?
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Geez chill
 
kruis said:



So perhaps in 2028 we will finally see Windows 11 running games specifically made for Windows with the same performance as a Linux based OS that's running non native Windows games using Wine and Proton... The incompetence of Microsoft is just astonishing.
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I know I saw a post earlier saying there would be expected negativity or whatever but you are right. And please those that really love Microsoft take this as constructive criticism. I've been on Windows since the mid-90s and was using Windows 3.1 prior too. Why would a person like me be looking to hate something that I use so often. When it's been good I can separate my critiques form other Microsoft aspects and still praise windows but Windows has been in the state that it's been and lazily so, for a long time.

So it does need to be said that you are competing with non-native Windows applications running on non-windows that are exceeding the performance to the native. Wrap your head around that and why this should never have been the case. Fantastic and I appreciate it just like anybody else. But it's worth the critique just so we all know where this place stands. If that wasn't the case you wouldn't be hearing that critique but let me reiterate again, it is a very valid thing to say and doesn't dismiss the momentum that Linux has.

You can be a fan of all things Microsoft but have some sense and don't be so biased sometimes. I can acknowledge as a fan of all the systems which ones have had a week or time right now while still making money while others have had a harder time while making less. That's why I always say that I've been supporting Microsoft more with my dollars than anybody else the last three or four years. You can critique my opinions but you can't critique where my dollars are going. And supporting Microsoft hasn't been the most fulfilling thing in terms of what they have been providing to deliver the services and experiences on Windows specifically.
 
cramoss said:
Geez chill
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He responded to my post directly to tell me he hasn't had a single issue with Windows 11 even though I didn't ask about anyone's anecdotal experience. I asked him if he thought that his not having any issues when so many others have had multiple issues somehow means that Windows 11 is being handled well. When he responded in the affirmative, I didn't bother replying because that's obviously a troll response. How was what I said aggressive or "not chill" in any way?

Take a break from the internet if my post bothered you since what I said was incredibly tame. You might as well hit the Ignore button on me as well, because I'm certainly going to say something FAR more inflammatory than this at some point, and I don't want you to get so offended that you say or do something rash.
 
IFireflyl said:
He responded to my post directly to tell me he hasn't had a single issue with Windows 11 even though I didn't ask about anyone's anecdotal experience. I asked him if he thought that his not having any issues when so many others have had multiple issues somehow means that Windows 11 is being handled well. When he responded in the affirmative, I didn't bother replying because that's obviously a troll response. How was what I said aggressive or "not chill" in any way?

Take a break from the internet if my post bothered you since what I said was incredibly tame. You might as well hit the Ignore button on me as well, because I'm certainly going to say something FAR more inflammatory than this at some point, and I don't want you to get so offended that you say or do something rash.
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they are giving us actual targets and a timeline. Let's see if they achieve it. I'm doubtful. If they did turn this around in a year or so and then continued to make improvements. That would be great.

Valve really lit a fire up their ass.
 
So if I boot up a game with Steam will it automatically switch to this mode that uses less resources or do I have to mess with drivers and other stuff to get this to work?
 
I moved to Linux. I used to be a big Microsoft advocate and now I just want them to go away. At a trillion dollars, they won't, but I'd like to see them get knocked down a few pegs.
 
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IFireflyl said:
He responded to my post directly to tell me he hasn't had a single issue with Windows 11 even though I didn't ask about anyone's anecdotal experience. I asked him if he thought that his not having any issues when so many others have had multiple issues somehow means that Windows 11 is being handled well. When he responded in the affirmative, I didn't bother replying because that's obviously a troll response. How was what I said aggressive or "not chill" in any way?

Take a break from the internet if my post bothered you since what I said was incredibly tame. You might as well hit the Ignore button on me as well, because I'm certainly going to say something FAR more inflammatory than this at some point, and I don't want you to get so offended that you say or do something rash.
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Why it's a troll response when almost everything works and the majority of stuff, at least gaming related, works better on Windows??
 
kevboard said:
it absolutely does. not every program, and not always without issues, but they work

they even keep bugs in that these old programs expect to be there.
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It requires emulation to run now, natively nothing works.

Edit: You're probably thinking of Win32 apps, those can be 50/50.

Win16 is dead.
 
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Sounds like good news. The feature creep was getting out of hand though I can't say I've had any issues with the latest Windows versions.

It's also how Apple marketed OSX 10.6.

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kevboard said:
it absolutely does. not every program, and not always without issues, but they work

they even keep bugs in that these old programs expect to be there.
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16-bit applications were only supported on 32-bit Windows but not on 64-bit. Win10 was the last 32-bit Windows so 16-bit support is gone as of last October.

Your point still stands though. Many/most 32-bit applications made for Win95 still work on modern Win11 which is no small feat.
 
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Bojji said:
24H2 improves performance of Ryzen CPUs.
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That's what I run on my desktop machine (build 26100.824 specifically) and there isn't a single thing on it that I use which doesn't work or whatever. Just solid all around.

have a laptop on 26H1 as well but that doesn't get as much usage so there could be some issues I guess..

I must be part of a very small minority because if you believe the articles Windows 11 doesn't even boot at this point
 
kevboard said:
Mac and iOS have the advantage that noone expects longterm backwards compatibility.

if you own a new Mac it's basically expected that older programs are incompatible with it, but on Windows it's expected that even stuff made for Windows 3.1 still works.

the sole reason your default Windows install drive letter is C:, and why subsequent SSDs, HDDs and CD/DVD/BD drives get D:, E:, F, etc., is because A: and B: are by default reserved for floppy drives.
if you connect a USB floppy drive to a Windows 11 PC it will get assigned the letter A:. if you connect a second one it's gonna get B:, because many older programs of the Pre-HDD era expect those 2 drive letters to have the data they need.

that's how far Microsoft goes to keep old software compatible, even if you need to tinker a little bit with compatibility modes and stuff.


so Windows is bloated by default in some regards. and that bloat will never be cleaned up
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Never used Linux, Unix or MacOS? the C: drive is your default hard disk.
 
Since forever.

But no seriously, as you said, Windows is the only system that has that compatibility layer, every other mainstream OS is unix based and has a unified directory tree.

But even Windows shares a similar tree under the hood since Windows NT, the C drive is just a symlink that will map to \Device\HarddiskVolume1 for example so it's not really much work for Microsoft to maintain it, it's a bunch of system variables if you go look at WinOBJ you will see the real unix like paths for stuff, and it's been that way since 1993
 
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