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Xbox One and PS4 Launch Editions both sold out on Amazon

Thats fine, neither look particularly great. The only game I would purchase is Forza. And 3 of the PS4 games are free to play. I wouldn't buy either console based on the lineup of these games, though.

Also

1. The Witness is confirmed as a PS4 launch title
2. We have the tiniest fraction of all Sony's first year games announced, 25-30%, compared to Microsoft having announced approximately 85-90% of all their first year products. This means we have an incomplete picture of Sony's launch lineup, and even Microsoft may have a surprise or two left.

So, yeah, as always launches suck, and Microsoft's and Sony's don't seem dramatically better to me. But Sony's picture is definitely far less complete than Microsoft's, by far.
 
Also

2. We have the tiniest fraction of all Sony's first year games announced, 25-30%, compared to Microsoft having announced approximately 85-90% of all their first year products. This means we have an incomplete picture of Sony's launch lineup, and even Microsoft may have a surprise or two left.

I know Sony have several games yet to reveal, but is this actually accurate?
I would be thrilled if that were the case, but it's almost hard to fathom that they have kept that many titles under wraps.
 
Also

1. The Witness is confirmed as a PS4 launch title
2. We have the tiniest fraction of all Sony's first year games announced, 25-30%, compared to Microsoft having announced approximately 85-90% of all their first year products. This means we have an incomplete picture of Sony's launch lineup, and even Microsoft may have a surprise or two left.

So, yeah, as always launches suck, and Microsoft's and Sony's don't seem dramatically better to me. But Sony's picture is definitely far less complete than Microsoft's, by far.

Oh yeah, The Witness is definitely something I want to play. But yeah, I agree with what you're saying
 
I never got the upgrade to release day delivery, yet I pre-ordered my PS4 within seconds of it being live on Amazon. I wonder if amazon prime members got in front the regular ones.

I pre-ordered a killzone launch bundle also. Will be cancelling one of them once I get a release day confirm on the other.

You'll be able to have release date delivery when Sony announces a date
 
I know Sony have several games yet to reveal, but is this actually accurate?
I would be thrilled if that were the case, but it's almost hard to fathom that they have kept that many titles under wraps.

I don't know about their plans for the US and Europe, but they usually have a bunch of launch/early titles geared at the Japanese market that I presume they haven't revealed as yet.
 
Yes, we can.

Sony had a political win at E3. The second MS changed their tune, balance was achieved in the force. They will be fine. The ONE isn't doomed. It'll be completely fine.

Way to not address anything I said.

Also no one used the word doomed.

Yawn.
 
MS restocked XB1 in amazon,it sold out few times in first few day

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=63019571

Doubtful or a mistake.

Funny how only 1 dude mentioned it when everyone was pre-ordering.

I'll take that with a grain of salt. And re-stocked? Lol. So if it sold out that first day Microsoft magically sent over another email to Amazon and said "oh wait sell more!"


Reading more of the thread you seem to really be running with the sold-out statement.
 
I know Sony have several games yet to reveal, but is this actually accurate?
I would be thrilled if that were the case, but it's almost hard to fathom that they have kept that many titles under wraps.

Microsoft counts game it is publishing as part of the exclusive games from Microsoft Game Studios. Here is the list:

1. Powerstar Golf
2. Ryse
3. Dead Rising 3
4. Halo 5
5. Kinect Sports Rivals
6. LocoCycle
7. Below
8. Forza 5
9. Crimson Dragon
10. Sunset Overdrive
11. Black Tusk AAA
12. D4
13. Quantum Break
14. Project Spark
15. Killer Instinct
16. ???
17. ???

Those are all games published by Microsoft Game Studios for Xbox One. Here are the vast majority of Microsoft's first year efforts. Microsoft getting 15 exclusive games in its first year from Microsoft Game Studios

On PS4, we know of the following games either published or developed by Sony WWS:

1. Knack
2. DriveClub
3. Killzone
4. The Order
5. InFamous: Second Son
6. ???
7. ???
8. ???
9. ???
10. ???
11. ???
12. ???
13. ???
14. ???
15. ???
16. ???
17. ???
18. ???
19. ???
20. ???

Sony getting 20 exclusive games in their first year from Sony WWS, 12 of which are new IPs

The gulf is seriously astonishing. Sony played Microsoft HARD with their strategic unveils. The Witness isn't even a Sony game and it's going to be a timed exclusive for a while.

Oh yeah, The Witness is definitely something I want to play. But yeah, I agree with what you're saying

It's going to be sweet I think. It seems pretty compelling.
 
Oh wow. It also says they doubled the 2012 Black Friday gaming sales, probably revenue I would think. However much that is, I don't know. But BF revenue was $1B across all online retailers.

Ya man. A shitload of consoles were pre-ordered.


Sure, it's no money down. But it's proof that people are hungry for next-gen.
 
Okay, now I see what you are saying.
So probably a good amount of games revealed at Gamescom?

Well, if Ratchet: Into the Nexus is a PS4 game, that's going to be revealed even before Gamescom. But it seems like a PS3 game... which begs the question, exactly how prolific are the studios making games for Sony systems?

Sony is straight up holding up PS3 AND PS4 with an insane amount of content. Vita, though, on the other hand... *cough*

I assume we'll get a few new games at Gamescom, maybe a few games leaked in Famitsu or Game Informer for an exclusive cover story, then their pre-TGS show will reveal another bulk. Finally, after the PS4 launches, they'll probably reveal some of their other games.

By the way, Sony said 30 total games are currently being developed at their WWS for PS4. 20 of those in their first year. So, there's a ton of shit everywhere that can be revealed. Sony just has shit ready to be revealed out of every orifice.
 
We can? Oh good.because what I took away from here is that two different machines, available in different and unknown quantities, both sold out.

If Xbox had significantly lower units available than PS4, yet took significantly longer to sell out those units, I wouldn't say it is 'fine'

It'll be fiiiinnneee man. Relax. Take it eeeaassyyyy.
 
I never got the upgrade to release day delivery, yet I pre-ordered my PS4 within seconds of it being live on Amazon. I wonder if amazon prime members got in front the regular ones.

I pre-ordered a killzone launch bundle also. Will be cancelling one of them once I get a release day confirm on the other.

The KZ bundle that they had yesterday guaranteed release date delivery in the terms. I can't envision that one not being release date.
 
I never got the upgrade to release day delivery, yet I pre-ordered my PS4 within seconds of it being live on Amazon. I wonder if amazon prime members got in front the regular ones.

I pre-ordered a killzone launch bundle also. Will be cancelling one of them once I get a release day confirm on the other.
Yeah, I wonder about that, too. I also ordered within seconds, but as a Prime member, I got my upgrade automatically, as soon as the upgrade emails were announced.

Yup, I figured my wife would get the Knack bundle but she got the Battlefield bundle with 10 bucks off PS+. I told her that bitch can come with Pong for all I care, I just want it day one.
I read that too quickly and thought you called your wife a bitch. My bad.
 
I actually think they will spend $500. As much as Gaf likes to crap on the TV/fantasy football/sports ball aspect as the X1, I think those things plus the Kinect will be a big casual pleaser. I'm sure the thought will be something along the lines of not just buying a gaming console but a media console. The sports stuff will attract the dad, the kinect/tv will attract the mom and the sister and the dude bro games will attract the son.

Of course all of that is nothing but speculation and pure opinion with no evidence whatsoever to back it up :)
There probably is a group that will spend $500 just for that sports interactivity and the fact it's a game system/streaming box, probably that hypothetical sub-urban family. Question is how common is that REALLY? How many don't already, say, use iPads and the like if they cared that much and had that money to spend and really wanted to get it on the TV instead? And will it be hobbled by XBL fees or will they be looser this time around? Xbox's the top selling console yet not the top Netflix streaming service, while some people don't give a fuck and just pay the subscription anyway it does indicate enough people are probably catching on and continuation of that policy would probably see more people jump ship.

Mind, that's speculation and opinion to an extent too, but in addition to the Netflix bit cable users HAVE been dropping as Parapraxis noted, and the fact each system that was $100+ more (other than the PS2 relative to DC) has had trouble being adopted period does not bode well for XB1, especially when for the core audience it doesn't even have the factor of being strongest, even in an esoteric manner.
The PS3 never really did rebound its fortunes though. Sales in the US became worse as the generation progressed, and didn't show much change worldwide. Also, the massive beating Sony took online shouldn't be viewed in isolation, but instead in comparison to where the PS2 and Xbox were, the latter of which was a joke for the entirety of its NPD run.

MS picked up their game no doubt, but Sony fucked up immensely from the start. The great software that followed was not met with increased sales.
PS3 did seem to be rising at the same pace as 360 only to break around the Kinect's debut, but it would inarguably be behind if Japan hadn't more or less fully rejected the 360 unlike every other first world country. And admittedly the game thing IS more my own personal preference, there's exclusives to be had on XB1 but the PS3 tended to pick up what third party exclusives I cared about and Microsoft practically gave up publishing a large number of games part way through the generation so there simply wasn't much beyond Halo/Forza/Gears/Fable. Though if they stick with the support they showed at E3 I'd definitely need to get one, but I suspect they'll start strong then peter out. Poor indie support definitely isn't helping Microsoft though, and likely poor support for smaller developers/publishers period (360 print run limitations ARE a serious fiscal concern for multiplatforms as I recall.)

And I think the beating the PS3 took relative to the PS2's state IS interesting to note: they absolutely fell very hard, but even with that the PS3 is a reasonably close second if you factor out Japan, slightly ahead with Japan factored in, and Microsoft's going into the next generation without having accumulated the PS2's crazy numbers in a longer period of time. It makes me wonder if the PlayStation brand really DOES have enough momentum afterall, even if it wasn't enough to catapult to first place regardless of their missteps, and also if the Xbox really did establish a strong enough foothold anyway; it HAS been a long generation with many people growing up most of their teenage years with the Xbox, if not childhood period, it really may be comparable to what Sony had after the PS1 or PS2... though it could also matter as much as Sega's dominance for the early 16-bit years.
 
There probably is a group that will spend $500 just for that sports interactivity and the fact it's a game system/streaming box, probably that hypothetical sub-urban family. Question is how common is that REALLY? How many don't already, say, use iPads and the like if they cared that much and had that money to spend and really wanted to get it on the TV instead? And will it be hobbled by XBL fees or will they be looser this time around? Xbox's the top selling console yet not the top Netflix streaming service, while some people don't give a fuck and just pay the subscription anyway it does indicate enough people are probably catching on and continuation of that policy would probably see more people jump ship.

Mind, that's speculation and opinion to an extent too, but in addition to the Netflix bit cable users HAVE been dropping as Parapraxis noted, and the fact each system that was $100+ more (other than the PS2 relative to DC) has had trouble being adopted period does not bode well for XB1, especially when for the core audience it doesn't even have the factor of being strongest, even in an esoteric manner.

PS3 did seem to be rising at the same pace as 360 only to break around the Kinect's debut, but it would inarguably be behind if Japan hadn't more or less fully rejected the 360 unlike every other first world country. And admittedly the game thing IS more my own personal preference, there's exclusives to be had on XB1 but the PS3 tended to pick up what third party exclusives I cared about and Microsoft practically gave up publishing a large number of games part way through the generation so there simply wasn't much beyond Halo/Forza/Gears/Fable. Though if they stick with the support they showed at E3 I'd definitely need to get one, but I suspect they'll start strong then peter out. Poor indie support definitely isn't helping Microsoft though, and likely poor support for smaller developers/publishers period (360 print run limitations ARE a serious fiscal concern for multiplatforms as I recall.)

And I think the beating the PS3 took relative to the PS2's state IS interesting to note: they absolutely fell very hard, but even with that the PS3 is a reasonably close second if you factor out Japan, slightly ahead with Japan factored in, and Microsoft's going into the next generation without having accumulated the PS2's crazy numbers in a longer period of time. It makes me wonder if the PlayStation brand really DOES have enough momentum afterall, even if it wasn't enough to catapult to first place regardless of their missteps, and also if the Xbox really did establish a strong enough foothold anyway; it HAS been a long generation with many people growing up most of their teenage years with the Xbox, if not childhood period, it really may be comparable to what Sony had after the PS1 or PS2... though it could also matter as much as Sega's dominance for the early 16-bit years.


We had a talk about the sports integration with Xbone in another thread and I think we made some good illuminating points.

Say you have a die-hard football fan and he's interested in games. Is he going to buy the Xbone and get the special NFL package? Yes or no? We decided probably not, since 1. They probably already have the NFL package, and 2. They will be buying the NFL package at the beginning of the season in August--not waiting until November.

We did conceded that it might be somewhat worthy in the console equation next year however.
 
How much can I scalp 2 Xbox One Day One on launch day? :0


Not as much as a PS4, judging from the current outlook. There will be opportunity as always, but I don't think scalpers in general will see much benefit this season.

I think there will be sufficient supply and demand for both. More apparent demand for PS4's with more produced units, and less demand for Xbone and less produced anyways due to yields.

Still going to be a glorious season for both. Can't we all be happy the next gen is around the corner? :)
 
WOOO!!! Feels good to be back.

Anyway, I'm soooooooo glad I have both mine pre-ordered. I'm still on the fence with Xbox One though. Besides Below (if that's even a launch game) there is nothing I'm really interested in on launch day. PS4 is a definite hell yes.
 
Have both pre-ordered with confirmed launch day delivery. Still on the fence about which one to keep which one to sell/cancel. I'm going to own both eventually but it's very hard for me to say no to KI as long as it keeps looking awesome.
 
Sold out...until new stock allocation is given. They'll continue to give new allocations in the lead up to launch. In the UK absolutely nowhere has any bundles yet. I'm not preordering until that point, buying everything separately is extortionate here.
 
When was the last time two console powerhouses released around the exact same time before? Saturn and PS1? And PS1 wasn't a proven powerhouse at that time. It seems like every other launch has some gap between the company releases. This will be interesting.

I don't see any scenario where Microsoft gains any more marketshare than the 77 mil or so they have now though so, I still they'll sell decently well though. The question is, is MS spending money like they need this to do better than 77 mil sales? Because they're moneyhatting a lot of shit for this. NFL, third party exclusives, timed DLC. If they sell like 50 million this time, is that considered a failure due to the amount of money spent?
 
You say this...and I actually think Xbox fanboys will actually use this in future arguments.

I remember plenty of people who purchased a PS3 when it was $599 who said similar things.
The 360 was a kiddy console, PS3 had the cell, thus better etc etc, those were pretty poor arguments.
The only reasonable argument I think, was that it functioned as a Blu-ray player, and for movie buffs it actually did justify the higher price. Sheer economics.

I don't think TV switching or the power of the cloud are worth the higher price with the Xbox One...whereas the blu-ray kinda was with PS3.
But alas, i'm not much of a baller.
I'm too poor for either right now =/
 
Microsoft counts game it is publishing as part of the exclusive games from Microsoft Game Studios. Here is the list:

1. Powerstar Golf
2. Ryse
3. Dead Rising 3
4. Halo 5
5. Kinect Sports Rivals
6. LocoCycle
7. Below
8. Forza 5
9. Crimson Dragon
10. Sunset Overdrive
11. Black Tusk AAA
12. D4
13. Quantum Break
14. Project Spark
15. Killer Instinct
16. ???
17. ???

Those are all games published by Microsoft Game Studios for Xbox One. Here are the vast majority of Microsoft's first year efforts. Microsoft getting 15 exclusive games in its first year from Microsoft Game Studios

On PS4, we know of the following games either published or developed by Sony WWS:

1. Knack
2. DriveClub
3. Killzone
4. The Order
5. InFamous: Second Son
6. ???
7. ???
8. ???
9. ???
10. ???
11. ???
12. ???
13. ???
14. ???
15. ???
16. ???
17. ???
18. ???
19. ???
20. ???

Sony getting 20 exclusive games in their first year from Sony WWS, 12 of which are new IPs

The gulf is seriously astonishing. Sony played Microsoft HARD with their strategic unveils. The Witness isn't even a Sony game and it's going to be a timed exclusive for a while.



It's going to be sweet I think. It seems pretty compelling.


I wouldn't count the Black Tusk game. It doesn't even have a title. MS wanted to announce a bunch of titles to show how hard they are working. MS also pushed some of their 360 titles onto the One too. Also, some of those titles are not Xbox One exclusive (being released on the 360, PC or both). Some of the games on that list are not created by MS Studios (Dead Rising 3) but I guess some are published by them. We just have to remember that GamesCom is coming up next month.
 
I wouldn't count the Black Tusk game. It doesn't even have a title. MS wanted to announce a bunch of titles to show how hard they are working. MS also pushed some of their 360 titles onto the One too. Also, some of those titles are not Xbox One exclusive (being released on the 360, PC or both). Some of the games on that list are not created by MS Studios (Dead Rising 3) but I guess some are published by them. We just have to remember that GamesCom is coming up next month.

So many falsehoods here. As I said, Microsoft is counting an exclusive as any game they're publishing on the Microsoft ecosystem - it doesn't count PC in the equation at all. If a game is coming to 360 and One and PC, Microsoft counts it as an exclusive for XBO - look at how they're trying to manhandle the community over Titanfall 'exclusivity', even though it's a timed window for only a year.

Dead Rising 3 is publishing by Microsoft Game Studios. It is part of their first year exclusives; Microsoft already confirmed any game that is published by them and is not on their competitors ecosystems is part of their exclusive count.

The Black Tusk game you may be right about only because it seems unlikely it will release in the first year. However, since they haven't said anything about the release date (except "it'll be out when ready") and they showed it so early, I suspect they want it before the end of 2014.
 
Also

1. The Witness is confirmed as a PS4 launch title
2. We have the tiniest fraction of all Sony's first year games announced, 25-30%, compared to Microsoft having announced approximately 85-90% of all their first year products. This means we have an incomplete picture of Sony's launch lineup, and even Microsoft may have a surprise or two left.

So, yeah, as always launches suck, and Microsoft's and Sony's don't seem dramatically better to me. But Sony's picture is definitely far less complete than Microsoft's, by far.
The Witness is aiming for april 2014. Thats what they were telling people at E3 so I wouldn't classify that as a launch title.
 
The Witness is aiming for april 2014. Thats what they were telling people at E3 so I wouldn't classify that as a launch title.

Ah, seems that changed at E3. At February 21, they said it was a launch game. Must have been one of the smaller tidbits I missed. God, it's hard to keep up with everything :P
 
So many falsehoods here. As I said, Microsoft is counting an exclusive as any game they're publishing on the Microsoft ecosystem - it doesn't count PC in the equation at all. If a game is coming to 360 and One and PC, Microsoft counts it as an exclusive for XBO - look at how they're trying to manhandle the community over Titanfall 'exclusivity', even though it's a timed window for only a year.

Dead Rising 3 is publishing by Microsoft Game Studios. It is part of their first year exclusives; Microsoft already confirmed any game that is published by them and is not on their competitors ecosystems is part of their exclusive count.

The Black Tusk game you may be right about only because it seems unlikely it will release in the first year. However, since they haven't said anything about the release date (except "it'll be out when ready") and they showed it so early, I suspect they want it before the end of 2014.
I'm not a big supporter of the XB1, but you are wrong there. Phil Spencer clarified on twitter that the 15 games are all XB1 exclusives with no 360 or PC version. So Project Spark and Lococycle don't count. Black Tusk is 6 months behind, so not 2014. Shouldn't be counted either, although that's debatable.
 
I'm not a big supporter of the XB1, but you are wrong there. Phil Spencer clarified on twitter that the 15 games are all XB1 exclusives with no 360 or PC version. So Project Spark and Lococycle don't count. Black Tusk is 6 months behind, so not 2014. Shouldn't be counted either, although that's debatable.

Link?
 
Wait, I'm a little confused here. I preordered a PS4 a little while after Sony's press conference. I double checked my open order and clicked the link to the PS4 and it goes to the standard edition. There are also other choices to pick from like bundles and a launch edition.

Did something go wrong here? If I was one of the very first to preorder shouldn't I be getting a launch edition? Another thing I noticed, if I have ordered or preordered something it'll give me a heads up note at the top of the page that I ordered so and so item on whatever date I did.

What's going on here...
 
Wait, I'm a little confused here. I preordered a PS4 a little while after Sony's press conference. I double checked my open order and clicked the link to the PS4 and it goes to the standard edition. There are also other choices to pick from like bundles and a launch edition.

Did something go wrong here? If I was one of the very first to preorder shouldn't I be getting a launch edition? Another thing I noticed, if I have ordered or preordered something it'll give me a heads up note at the top of the page that I ordered so and so item on whatever date I did.

What's going on here...

Go to the Amazon Best Sellers of 2013 list and click the PS4 from there.

Is there a bar popped up on the top saying you ordered the item? If so, you got Launch Day.


Scratch that. Go to the PS4 page, click the Launch Edition button and see if that bar popped up saying you ordered on bla bla bla.

Most likely a problem going to the PS4 page not showing the Launch editions anymore.

I'm not a big supporter of the XB1, but you are wrong there. Phil Spencer clarified on twitter that the 15 games are all XB1 exclusives with no 360 or PC version. So Project Spark and Lococycle don't count. Black Tusk is 6 months behind, so not 2014. Shouldn't be counted either, although that's debatable.

Link please.
 
Go to the Amazon Best Sellers of 2013 list and click the PS4 from there.

Is there a bar popped up on the top saying you ordered the item? If so, you got Launch Day.

Most likely a problem going to the PS4 page not showing the Launch editions anymore.
Ok, thanks for the answer. I clicked on the PS4 from the best seller list, it went straight to the standard edition but when I clicked on the launch edition tab an instant order update bar showed up on top saying I ordered it on June 10th.

I thought something had gone wrong and my order got screwed up or something.
 
I'm not a big supporter of the XB1, but you are wrong there. Phil Spencer clarified on twitter that the 15 games are all XB1 exclusives with no 360 or PC version. So Project Spark and Lococycle don't count. Black Tusk is 6 months behind, so not 2014. Shouldn't be counted either, although that's debatable.

Did he? I don't read twitter, so it's possible. I am trying to find this news on game websites, though, and am failing.

Phil Spencer said:
When Microsoft Studios head Phil Spencer took the stage Monday morning to announce "Titanfall's" release, he said that the game would be an Xbox One exclusive.

Link

And yet.. there exists a 360 and PC version. Sounds like once again the PR folk at MS are trying to muddy the waters to make things seem unclear.

Here is another chart:

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This one sans the Black Tusk AAA and LocoCycle
 
So many falsehoods here. As I said, Microsoft is counting an exclusive as any game they're publishing on the Microsoft ecosystem - it doesn't count PC in the equation at all. If a game is coming to 360 and One and PC, Microsoft counts it as an exclusive for XBO - look at how they're trying to manhandle the community over Titanfall 'exclusivity', even though it's a timed window for only a year.

Dead Rising 3 is publishing by Microsoft Game Studios. It is part of their first year exclusives; Microsoft already confirmed any game that is published by them and is not on their competitors ecosystems is part of their exclusive count.

The Black Tusk game you may be right about only because it seems unlikely it will release in the first year. However, since they haven't said anything about the release date (except "it'll be out when ready") and they showed it so early, I suspect they want it before the end of 2014.

Where did Microsoft confirm that all published titles were included in the '15 First Year Exclusives"?

Also

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I'm not a big supporter of the XB1, but you are wrong there. Phil Spencer clarified on twitter that the 15 games are all XB1 exclusives with no 360 or PC version. So Project Spark and Lococycle don't count. Black Tusk is 6 months behind, so not 2014. Shouldn't be counted either, although that's debatable.

That's not exactly what he said:
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It could mean 360/Xbone crossovers don't count or 360 only doesn't count...
PC wasn't even mentioned...

Saying "The 15 are only available on Xbox One." would have been easy and way more clearer - Spencer chose his words wisely I think...
 
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