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Xbox One and Windows 10 May Preview Update

This is shaping up to be the best OS MS have released in quite some time. We're getting it for free, initially at least, which makes me think they plan to generate revenue from the app store? Getting that enormous volume of users on the W10 operating system will easily achieve this.

We're getting DX12 with the OS, not to mention Xbox app integration which comes with a lot of great features like DVR, Achievements, Activity Feeds etc.

I can understand some of the scorn, but MS has done nothing but listen to us for the last year now. And it shows in every product and software update thus far. How many companies do that?
 
dr_rus said:
They are spending their time and resources - for which we pay them - on things which no one on PC will use. If you don't see any problem in this then it is your problem.

There are A LOT of things in Windows which they may actually improve instead of adding features which are already there for tens of years and are unlikely to be beaten in any way by their OS counterparts.

I'll still use Afterburner for screenshots simply because it have things beyond that. I'll still use Shadowplay for recording simply because it is using my GPU's hardware for that and Win10 thing will probably rely on CPU limiting the framerate. And Live tile and Avatar app are just completely pointless in a Win10 boot to desktop scenario with all the gaming infrastructure being tied to Steam.

Honestly the only good Win10 feature in the OP is the inclusion of XBO gamepad drivers. Now if they'd only release the wireless dongle for it...

What's wrong with unifying you ask? Win10 isn't an Xbox - that's what's wrong. Instead of unifying with a platform which isn't even leading the market in this generation they should've opted for the ability to integrate with any other platform out there - be it Steam or Xbox or PS4. That would at least useful in general. This Xbox-Win10 unification is nothing more than MS trying to flock gamers into their Xbox infrastructure again which has failed miserably several time already and will fail again in Win10 as well.
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To be frank, it sounds like you have very little idea how these things work, business in general even. Just because you won't use those features doesn't mean others don't appreciate them. People who have been very familiar with Xbox One and are fresh to the PC space, they will welcome these unifying features, even if it's just a starting point until they learn their way around. I am willing to bet that only a fraction of the PC gamers know what MSI Afterburner or ShadowPlay even is.
 
Phil0sophy said:
Your arguement about them giving us something for free is not really relevant to anything, someone could give me a free Titan X (although I admit it's unlikely lol) but that doesn't stop me asking what the catch is.
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I understand your pessimism, and I too wondered on some things but MS is actually changing. Look, .NET (right now, the core) is being open sourced...that's a huge deal. You can get Word, Excel, and Powerpoint on Android and iOS for free (for quick little edits here and there) and soon on Windows 10 (they will still sell the bigger version and Office 365) and Office Online that has similar feature set as those apps. These are traditionally things that no one in the world would think MS would give away for free (and open sourcing .NET) but they are doing it and people are using it. There is no catch in my opinion.

The thing is that in all spaces, Microsoft is being challenged and losing customers to Android, iOS, Amazon Cloud, Playstation. What Microsoft is doing is making a way for people to love Microsoft software, right now, people don't trust MS (like you) or think that they are old boring software. They have to change or they lose customers, repeat customers. So them giving stuff away for free is to one, not lose customers, and two gain customers on other platforms to switch to theirs.

What I will say is that yes, MS does want games to be made into the Microsoft Store (that's for all of its Windows 10 platforms...One Store) so that they can get money from devs/consumers. So yes, it will be similar to GFWL in that aspect from where you are buying the game. It could also be using Xbox Live, which MS wants...so yea, some games may not work with Steam. Your nightmares may come true where games only work within MS ecosystem...but that is the choice of the developer. Now they do make a compelling case for a developer as if you make a game for Windows 10, you can make it for Xbox as well with some slight changes (depending on the tools used to make the game). So yea, there's gonna be competition with Steam...but we don't know the details of everything just yet. Let's see what happens at //BUILD/ next week.
 
etta said:
To be frank, it sounds like you have very little idea how these things work, business in general even. Just because you won't use those features doesn't mean others don't appreciate them. People who have been very familiar with Xbox One and are fresh to the PC space, they will welcome these unifying features, even if it's just a starting point until they learn their way around. I am willing to bet that only a fraction of the PC gamers know what MSI Afterburner or ShadowPlay even is.
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To be frank I'm willing to bet that those people who are using Xbox now and fresh to PC space will eventually claim that MS has created a lot of issues for them by doing stuff that they shouldn't have done in the first place. GFW and GFWL were created with the exact same set of mind and I know that there where people who where happy when these services where introduced. I don't see what's changed since then and I don't see why these features will fare any better on PC than GFWL did.
And I think that you'd be surprised about Afterburner and Shadowplay awareness levels among PC gamers.
I would much rather see MS spend time and resources on something useful instead of trying to get PC gamers into their stable again. That won't work, it is clear as day to me.
 
dr_rus said:
To be frank I'm willing to bet that those people who are using Xbox now and fresh to PC space will eventually claim that MS has created a lot of issues for them by doing stuff that they shouldn't have done in the first place. GFW and GFWL were created with the exact same set of mind and I know that there where people who where happy when these services where introduced. I don't see what's changed since then and I don't see why these features will fare any better on PC than GFWL did.
And I think that you'd be surprised about Afterburner and Shadowplay awareness levels among PC gamers.
I would much rather see MS spend time and resources on something useful instead of trying to get PC gamers into their stable again. That won't work, it is clear as day to me.
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And what would be useful? They already have DX12 coming. They revamped the whole UI for Windows 10 so that it's actually good on desktop PCs (they still need to work on the touch versions). They have one store to get apps that can be among different input devices (pc, tablet, phone, etc...). They decrease the footprint of the OS by extracting out what would be deemed as features and made them apps so that they can be easily update (decoupling a lot of stuff). Making a way better browser that's not integrated into the system unlike IE. Make a different way to login with 3D images of people's faces. Have a system in place where a user doesn't need a password based off their login. Let developers use Xbox Live for their games. Release touch versions of their Office suite. They are making the ability to run crossplatform games easier (Xbox to PC) so that users can play with more users. They've revamped the way all of the settings look to make it easier accessible.

What things do you deem more necessary than them making an Xbox app (that can be deleted and not used)?
 
Phil0sophy said:
Why is it a pointless discussion point? From where I am sitting it looks like MS are offering windows 10 for free so it gets the last few people off of windows 7 into one OS and by doing that they can then plug their console brand to windows gamers?
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They are actually reducing their XBox brand on Windows. XBox Music and XBox Video are now just Music and Video.
 
etta said:
To be frank, it sounds like you have very little idea how these things work, business in general even. Just because you won't use those features doesn't mean others don't appreciate them. People who have been very familiar with Xbox One and are fresh to the PC space, they will welcome these unifying features, even if it's just a starting point until they learn their way around. I am willing to bet that only a fraction of the PC gamers know what MSI Afterburner or ShadowPlay even is.
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This is an important facet that tends to get buried in these discussions; with the majority of PC gaming happening on fairly lightweight rigs (most people in the Steam Survey don't even have a dedicated graphics card, for crying out loud), integrating these features in a more universal fashion holds real value.

Hell, I (technically) started gaming on PC when I was 2, and I had never heard of ShadowPlay or Afterburner until people started bringing them up in these threads as a reason why these features are useless.
 
Zedox said:
And what would be useful? They already have DX12 coming. They revamped the whole UI for Windows 10 so that it's actually good on desktop PCs (they still need to work on the touch versions). They have one store to get apps that can be among different input devices (pc, tablet, phone, etc...). They decrease the footprint of the OS by extracting out what would be deemed as features and made them apps so that they can be easily update (decoupling a lot of stuff). Making a way better browser that's not integrated into the system unlike IE. Make a different way to login with 3D images of people's faces. Have a system in place where a user doesn't need a password based off their login. Let developers use Xbox Live for their games. Release touch versions of their Office suite. They are making the ability to run crossplatform games easier (Xbox to PC) so that users can play with more users. They've revamped the way all of the settings look to make it easier accessible.

What things do you deem more necessary than them making an Xbox app (that can be deleted and not used)?
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Something useful would be a better OS support for 3rd party gaming related programs which are already there for years. Stop making Windows into OSX and start treating it like a platform suited for all 3rd parties. DX12 is a step in a right direction but as it usually is with MS - some parts of the company are always going backwards while some are marching forward. I would gladly welcome an OS-level aggregation of DD systems in some form for example. I would be glad if they would make some sort of an API which any console maker would be able to use somehow. Building proprietary clones of programs which are available already and ultimately failing at making them any better than these 3rd party alternatives is a waste of everyones time when it's coming from the company whose responsibility should be in handling the platform evolution, not end user utilities and programs.
 
dr_rus said:
Something useful would be a better OS support for 3rd party gaming related programs which are already there for years. Stop making Windows into OSX and start treating it like a platform suited for all 3rd parties. DX12 is a step in a right direction but as it usually is with MS - some parts of the company are always going backwards while some are marching forward. I would gladly welcome an OS-level aggregation of DD systems in some form for example. I would be glad if they would make some sort of an API which any console maker would be able to use somehow. Building proprietary clones of programs which are available already and ultimately failing at making them any better than these 3rd party alternatives is a waste of everyones time when it's coming from the company whose responsibility should be in handling the platform evolution, not end user utilities and programs.
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You do realize that Microsoft does have APIs that anyone can use. They are even opening up Xbox Live APIs (I'm not sure if that's outside of the Windows store app platform or not) for developers to use. Anyone can use Azure (which Xbox Live Compute uses).

Microsoft lets anyone on Windows make anything (and going forward with Windows 10 PCs). That's how we have competing browsers even though Microsoft makes their own (and those browsers are better...). Wordperfect, OpenOffice, all compete with Office. Steam, Origin, etc...all competed with (until they killed it GFWL). Microsoft competes on its own platform, but what it also is going to do is make products that people would expect to use. I expect to game on my PC, does Windows 10 have a place for that, why yes it does. Are there alternatives to do gaming on Windows, sure, there are.

It seems from what I'm reading from you is that you want MS to make the OS and get the hell out of the way. Sorry, but that's not how those things work. Tell iOS to not bundle a mail app, tell Google to not bundle a google search bar. OS' are going to have bundling that keep the user on their platform.

EDIT: Anyways, this is way off topic so I'll listen to your reply if you have one and move on.
 
The Flash said:
Nothing. Major Nelson made it sound like everything was ready to go yesterday. As far as the thread goes...well...
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Yep he keeps tweeting that Windows 10 Xbox app and update have een ready, but I can't for the life of me get Xbox app on windows to update. Has anyone? As in, has anyone here gotten the version where you can record?

Edit: of course right after I post that it goes live haha
 
Banjo-Kazooie said:
Yep he keeps tweeting that Windows 10 Xbox app and update have een ready, but I can't for the life of me get Xbox app on windows to update. Has anyone? As in, has anyone here gotten the version where you can record?

Edit: of course right after I post that it goes live haha
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How much have you played around with it? So far I've been messing around with recording playing Spartan Strike.
 
somuchwater said:
Wait... why? What's here that has something to do with a Lumia?
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All windows phone (windows tablets/ Windows PCs) having the ability to cast their screens and unprotected content to Xbox one with this update. However some Android phones can also do this if they're complaint.
 
JaggedSac said:
They are actually reducing their XBox brand on Windows. XBox Music and XBox Video are now just Music and Video.
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How did you come to this conclusion?

They were never called Xbox Video and Xbox Music on the start menu but only in the programs themselves. Essentially they just removed the Xbox branding in the apps that made no sense to be there in the first place.

What they've done with the Xbox app is increasing the presence of Xbox on Windows.
 
The Flash said:
And of course, the update keeps failing when I try to install it.
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Did you get it working? If not, go into the store beta, search for Xbox, click on the Xbox app and it should update from there. I was having issues with Store beta crashing every time I clicked the update button from downloads.
 
For the last two or three updates I've had a lot of issues with games failing to start. They just go back to the xbox dashboard after showing the game startup screen. Anyone else having this or is my xbox dying somehow?
 
Bsigg12 said:
Did you get it working? If not, go into the store beta, search for Xbox, click on the Xbox app and it should update from there. I was having issues with Store beta crashing every time I clicked the update button from downloads.
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Nothing. Error code 0X8004264A is all I get.
 
FordGTGuy said:
How did you come to this conclusion?

They were never called Xbox Video and Xbox Music on the start menu but only in the programs themselves. Essentially they just removed the Xbox branding in the apps that made no sense to be there in the first place.

What they've done with the Xbox app is increasing the presence of Xbox on Windows.
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No the Xbox branding is definitely gone... gone on windows phone too

Part of the old regime thinking Xbox is for everything
 
Having Miracast support available is pretty great.

You can get the app now from the Quest menu in the Dashboard Preview app
 
Being able to switch the bone on and off via smartglass is winning.

Being able to miracastany device to my bone when I had to switch the hemi input before is winning.

All I need now is the streaming games to smartglass.m
 
I'm checking out the miracast support now. Seems pretty nice so far. Unless I'm doing something wrong resolution is maxed out at 1366x768 however :-/

Edit: Trying a different device and I'm getting full 1080p resolution!
 
PSGames said:
I'm checking out the miracast support now. Seems pretty nice so far. Unless I'm doing something wrong resolution is maxed out at 1366x768 however :-/

Edit: Trying a different device and I'm getting full 1080p resolution!
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How are you projecting your screen? I have the Wireless Display App on the Xbox but I don't know what to do on the laptop to project the screen.
 
Lynn616 said:
How are you projecting your screen? I have the Wireless Display App on the Xbox but I don't know what to do on the laptop to project the screen.
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First you need to go to the "Quest" section of the Preview app on Xbox and download the Wireless Display App Beta. Start the app on Xbox. Then pull up the Charms menu to the right on Windows 8 and select Devices-> Project-> Add a Wireless Display. You should see the XboxOS listed.
 
PSGames said:
First you need to go to the "Quest" section of the Preview app on Xbox and download the Wireless Display App Beta. Start the app on Xbox. Then pull up the Charms menu to the right on Windows 8 and select Devices-> Project-> Add a Wireless Display. You should see the XboxOS listed.
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Thanks. Problem is I have Windows 10 ( no charms). I figured out that you have to press Window Key + P to add Wireless Display.


Xbox doesn't show up when I search for it with Window Key + P. Might be a Windows 10 problem.
 
Projecting from my Venue 8 Pro to my Xbox One is pretty cool. Just playing with what I can throw over to the system.

How do I use Smartglass to turn on and off my Xbox One? Cannot figure it out. :D
 
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