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Xbox One sells (to customers) 2 Million Units in 18 Days

That number is shipped, not sold through. Different figure altogether.

So if Microsoft knows they shipped 50K consoles to EB Australia, and then after a month, EB asks for another 50K, they can't assume that they've more than likely sold 50K Xbox consoles through EB Games?

The figure in the OP is referring to Sold Through no?
 

I am sick of reading this shit. The complaint was they used language indicating Surface sales were stronger than they actually were. By the way, this is a case that they have not been decided on. The party felt that it was misleading.

Releasing hard numbers is not something that a company is going to lie about due to liability. I can't believe some members like you are trying to downplay this achievement for whatever reason. It is really sad.
 
Wow great numbers!

So much for console gaming is DEAD!

this has to be one of the best console launches for both platforms or any console in the past. AMD did a good job on designing the APU in these console. In the past the consoles had no where near the number of console out day one.

I am surprised MS delay the launch in other places with these numbers. Guess the war is really in the EU and NA. Have to get the numbers there first...
 
I would wait for reputable third party confirmation. Until the numbers are verified this is a release coming from the same people claiming that dedicated servers make the XBone 400% faster; the same company getting sued for lying about sales numbers of other products that had rocky starts. It seems somewhat incongruous to me that they sold through this many while there are XBones still sitting on store shelves in many places. It's certainly not impossible, but at this point I think Microsoft's media comments should be taken with a grain of salt. All of this said, I think it's less likely for Microsoft to try to fudge the truth by a wide margin here given that they know these sales numbers are going to be hotly tracked.
I had doubts at first, when I was entering the thread. But, seeing it come from nelson himself has kind of reinforced it a bit, for me. Although I'd rather wait for NDP numbers. In due time, we'll see if it's true or not, but for now I'm inclined to believe so.
Relax, this does not validate the plans they didn't execute, and it doesn't particularly endorse the plans that they did. It validates their launch strategy, and that's as far as it goes. In the grand scheme of things, these sales (PS4, included) are a drop in the bucket for what they'll garner this generation. If consumers are of a mind to reject things about the Xbox One or PS4 that they do not like, that will still happen, and it will become evident soon enough.
By the time the next console gen rolls around, I think that people will be more open to the idea and it'll be more acceptable (as internet technology will have advanced, probably, by then). But I digress, it makes sense and you're right that we have an entire at least 4 or 5 years ahead of us for things to be worked on and changed. Ballmer and Mattrick stepping down gives me a little hope they'll do better with the console itself next time, but boy I miss J Allard and I hope they get him/someone like him for the next time. I'm disappointed by all the negatives of the console and the executive decisions behind it (all in one, one input, media box, etc.). I feel they did a great job turning everything around though, and I'm happy with all the unique things they have at launch (Killer Instinct is HUGE to me, Sunset Overdrive, Dead Rising 3).

An argument to your last sentence, would people have accepted something like microtransactions at the beginning of last (360/PS3) gen? It was unthinkable. But now it's a pretty rampant and a disconcerting practice. Most people don't like it, but it's popped up in a lot of games (see: Microsoft's launch lineup (minus Killer Instinct))
 
So if Microsoft knows they shipped 50K consoles to EB Australia, and then after a month, EB asks for another 50K, they can't assume that they've more than likely sold 50K Xbox consoles through EB Games?

The figure in the OP is referring to Sold Through no?

They can assume whatever they want. That's actually the point. People are trying to paint these figures as black and white - completely accurate or completely false. It's a sliding scale influenced by competency, bias, methodology, variance, and a slew of other factors as well.
 
They can assume whatever they want. That's actually the point. People are trying to paint these figures as black and white - completely accurate or completely false. It's a sliding scale influenced by competency, bias, methodology, variance, and a slew of other factors as well.

True- but they're close enough that any sort of variance should be negligible at best.
 
The timing isn't suspect. People need to put away the tinfoil hats. :|

The key figure is 2M units sold through, that was the milestone that they wanted to announce.

It's being announced 18 days post-launch, because it took 18 days post-launch to reach that milestone.

Also, I thought Microsoft had their own PoS tracking system anyway? I'm sure Nintendo does.
 
Tomorrow's report will not confirm or deny today's data. It covers a smaller period of sales activity.

Pretty much, NPD is going to be a fraction of this. It includes only part of the sales period and is US only afaik. Anyone expecting the truth from that might as well give it up.

You guys expecting PS4 NPD to show over 2 million?
 
1 million on 15/11, 700k on 29/11, or during the weekend, the rest outside the launch days. So, 1.7 million in a handful of days.

In the end, we're talking about 100% sell-through on consoles being shipped on barges all over the world. We know that Sony was able to ship 1 million to North America by November 15. We know that they were able to ship another 1.1 million worldwide, with most going to Europe, by November 29. We know Microsoft was able to ship 1 million worldwide by November 22, and another 1 million worldwide as of the time of today's report.

In the end, they're shipping as much as they can and selling all of it (or most enough of it for it not to matter).

If I could quote the former First Lady and Secretary of the State for a moment.... what difference does it make? Why is there such a rush to paint one side in a positive light and the other negatively, as if both consoles aren't doing something tremendous at the moment?

Next year. All will become evident next year. We can point and laugh all we want at whomever is losing until we're frankly sick of it.
 
Pretty much, NPD is going to be a fraction of this. It includes only part of the sales period and is US only afaik. Anyone expecting the truth from that might as well give it up.
Yeah it actually kinda dampers it a bit. Wont be as crazy with MS preempting things. Mission accomplished.
 
Timing is a little weird as we will know tomorrow for sure about NA.

Tomorrow only gives us numbers for 1 week of xbox sales and 2 weeks of ps4 sales.

December npd numbers (January) will be a full month....the numbers in the op are 18 days, 10 of which are not reported tomorrow
 
We've gotten numbers like the ones in the OP. People expecting definitive clarity will be disappointed. Just pouring one out for the glory days, is all.
You just need a protractor.

Tomorrow only gives us numbers for 1 week of xbox sales and 2 weeks of ps4 sales.

December npd numbers (January) will be a full month

The timing is sort of irrelevant because the machines were not freely available.
 
Does anyone think major nelson and other Microsoft employees bought a ton of consoles themselves to inflate sales numbers?

So because you don't like the console, its success must be the product of fraudulent numbers right?

lol. I'll never understand why people become so attached with cheering or hating multi-billion corporations.
 
In the end, we're talking about 100% sell-through on consoles being shipped on barges all over the world. We know that Sony was able to ship 1 million to North America by November 15. We know that they were able to ship another 1.1 million worldwide, with most going to Europe, by November 29. We know Microsoft was able to ship 1 million worldwide by November 22, and another 1 million worldwide as of the time of today's report.

In the end, they're shipping as much as they can and selling all of it (or most enough of it for it not to matter).

If I could quote the former First Lady and Secretary of the State for a moment.... what difference does it make? Why is there such a rush to paint one side in a positive light and the other negatively, as if both consoles aren't doing something tremendous at the moment?

Next year. All will become evident next year. We can point and laugh all we want and whomever is losing until we're frankly sick of it.

Because this makes too much sense.
 
Other fun facts that can be directly derived from the given figures:


41.5 hours played in games/tv/apps per gamer since launch with an average of 2.3 hours played per day

19.5 achievements unlocked per player with an average achievement score of 15.3 points.

At peak demand on Amazon the XBone would have sold all 2million units in less than 33 hours, on Amazon alone.
 
For all the ridiculous things I read in this thread, this takes the cake. I mean wow!

So because you don't like the console, its success must be the product of fraudulent numbers right?

lol. I'll never understand why people become so attached with cheering or hating multi-billion corporations.

I believe this one was joking.

Although I do have it on good authority that Microsoft did buy enough to ship to the moon and use them as external walls for a new lunar base. Got that one from CBOAT's dad's neighbor's uncle's cousin's former roommate.
 
You just need a protractor.



The timing is sort of irrelevant because the machines were not freely available.

Possibly.

Two weeks is still double, unless there were absolutely no ps 4s available on black friday?

Which I doubt but point taken as to some wiggle room there
 
Possibly.

Two weeks is still double, unless there were absolutely no ps 4s available on black friday?

Which I doubt but point taken as to some wiggle room there

But that's just one day that both machines have in common. The interceding week was basically irrelevant. I don't think many would disagree with this...
 
Possibly.

Two weeks is still double, unless there were absolutely no ps 4s available on black friday?

Which I doubt but point taken as to some wiggle room there

Many (all?) people are saying Xbox One had better stock than PS4 in black Friday. And we have some company that did some statistics and found Xbox One won black Friday
 
Possibly.

Two weeks is still double, unless there were absolutely no ps 4s available on black friday?

Which I doubt but point taken as to some wiggle room there

Walmart had a ton of PS4s on Black Friday. Enough to guarantee that if you got in line at a certain time, you would get one. It's hard to gauge Sony restocks because they sell out almost immediately upon being made available. Not a bad problem to have.
 
Ok could be closer than we thought then for tomorrow.

I think we can all agree however that December npd will be more valuable in determining NA demand.
 
Ok could be closer than we thought then for tomorrow.

I think we can all agree however that December npd will be more valuable in determining NA demand.

Not at all. Especially if one is more of the consoles are simply impossible to find in stock. If they were in stock and consistently did not sell out, then you could guage that the supply exceeds the demand.
 
Ok could be closer than we thought then for tomorrow.

I think we can all agree however that December npd will be more valuable in determining NA demand.

Nah, still too crazy with stock issues and holiday shopping. January onwards is a much more sobering realization.
 
Ok could be closer than we thought then for tomorrow.

I think we can all agree however that December npd will be more valuable in determining NA demand.

It's Christmas time, so every unit shipped to retail will be sold. December npd will only tell us who got the better stock.
 
Ok could be closer than we thought then for tomorrow.

I think we can all agree however that December npd will be more valuable in determining NA demand.

Nah, I think stock and holiday shopping will mess up the numbers a bit. I think Feburary would be a more valuable time to start looking at that.
 
In the end, we're talking about 100% sell-through on consoles being shipped on barges all over the world. We know that Sony was able to ship 1 million to North America by November 15. We know that they were able to ship another 1.1 million worldwide, with most going to Europe, by November 29. We know Microsoft was able to ship 1 million worldwide by November 22, and another 1 million worldwide as of the time of today's report.

In the end, they're shipping as much as they can and selling all of it (or most enough of it for it not to matter).

If I could quote the former First Lady and Secretary of the State for a moment.... what difference does it make? Why is there such a rush to paint one side in a positive light and the other negatively, as if both consoles aren't doing something tremendous at the moment?

Next year. All will become evident next year. We can point and laugh all we want and whomever is losing until we're frankly sick of it.

Like I said before, the end result seems to be about the same, but they reached it in different ways. I'm just nitpicking about how many actual sale days it took. ;) the next year will show how it really goes.
 
As someone who will happily own both systems, I welcome the news of great sell-through rates. I'm also pleased with the performance of Microsoft's new network supporting XBOX Live, even if I am a bit grumpy about some of their decisions for business reasons.
 
I am very "happy" to see both consoles doing well. I wonder if this proves last gen was milked way to long...regardless we all now have brand new spanking consoles to look forward to! It is a win win for both xbox loyalists and ps loyalists...heck its a win win for all gamers including the PC gamer...now that pc hardware can get flexed a bit more.

Great times indeed!! Everyone should just be happy for our fellow gamer brethren!!
 
People think that 2 million number is false?

wow... Xbox One's success bother that much?

I chuckle a little bit about this because I can't remember this amount of distrust/doubt on Sony's numbers on the PS4. But seriously, people complaining about it haven't realized that MS staying afloat (well afloat) will keep Sony on their toes this gen.
 
Sony reached 2.1 million sold WW on 11/30, MS on 12/11

Sony in 15 days, MS in 18

Worth pointing out that for 14 of these 15 days, the PS4 was only available in US and Canada.

So you can't really compare like for like.

Regardless, really good numbers for the Xbox. MS turned things around massively since the disastrous initial unveiling. To have such demand in the face of so many fuck ups is testament to them (or at least testament to the 360).
 
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