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Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017

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e-gamer said:
The rumor is that Scorpio will be compatible with Oculus. Perhaps Vive.
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Is this even a rumor? They confirmed Fallout 4 VR during the conference, which was specifically listed as being a Vive title at Bethesda's earlier show.

My guess is that Scorpio is just running Windows 10 (or the next iteration), and the XBox is just a frontend app. XBox ONE discs run via emulation, or perhaps some integrated hardware.

Which means anything that ran on Windows, could work on the next XBox. Including Oculus, Vive - shit, your Steam library would be up for grabs.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
Is this even a rumor? They confirmed Fallout 4 VR during the conference, which was specifically listed as being a Vive title at Bethesda's earlier show.

My guess is that Scorpio is just running Windows 10 (or the next iteration), and the XBox is just a frontend app. XBox ONE discs run via emulation, or perhaps some integrated hardware.

Which means anything that ran on Windows, could work on the next XBox. Including Oculus, Vive - shit, your Steam library would be up for grabs.
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Huh? Scorpio will just be the Win10 kernel just like every other Xbox One with a Xbox UI. Nothing emulated. The VR support will be interesting to see because it does sound like it'll be Vive and Rift support so how those games come to Scorpio is going to be a interesting issue since every game coming to Xbox One as a platform is essentially a UWP app.
 
Interesting article here. SIAP.
While resolution will most certainly be higher on Scorpio, we can't report the same for frame rate. Loftis says that developers will continue to choose frame rate to fit their gameplay design, and that might not be unlocked or even 60 frames per second. We asked specifically whether there will be different frame rates for the same game running on Xbox One and Scorpio. "No, there wouldn't be a frame rate difference, because typically the frame rate is determined by the game developer and what's right for the gameplay mechanic," Loftis explains. "You don't necessarily want to create two different mechanics for two different configurations."
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"We don't really think of games as 'Scorpio games' per se," she says. "We think of them as Xbox One games that may take advantage of the 4K rendering abilities of Scorpio. If you put a 4K game in a non-4K box it's going to render at 1080p. It will still look beautiful. Same with HDR. That will all work correctly."

As you might expect, Microsoft isn't talking about price yet. Though we asked if Microsoft thought players could expect the familiar $400 to $500 launch price or if the Scorpio is a more premium item. "We're not talking about price right now, but it is a more premium piece of hardware," Loftis says.
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http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...d-scorpio-says-microsofts-shannon-lofits.aspx
 
bidguy said:
lol good idea to put a competing store on your console.

steam is never happening on xbox
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Then why am I able to install Steam on Windows?

I think Microsoft is taking this notion of blending Windows 10 and XBox to heart, and really running this into the future. Scorpio could, hypothetically, allow Microsoft to take a sledgehammer to the entire notion of a 'console'. They own an OS with tremendous backwards compatibility, and are now eagerly porting every single exclusive they get their hands on. What advantage do they really glean by keeping XBox this separate, isolated thing?

This would also let Microsoft (albeit temporarily) scoop Sony's various 'console exclusive' deals. Death Stranding? Coming to PC, and thus Scorpio. Street Fighter V? Play it on Scorpio. Windows has always been the neutral ground in the console war, assumed to be a 'non-issue'. Scorpio could let Microsoft leverage that advantage, and catapult that company into a very competitive position.

Mix the library of Windows 10, Microsoft's ability to build user-friendly machines for less than consumers, and the work to make good on existing XBox ONE content... That's a move that turns the tide for the company.
 
More stuff here

Interviewer asks if he needs to buy Scorpio

Phil replies (rough transcript)

If you own an Xbox One and youre happy with the gaming experience you have today, stay with it. I want people to make the decision on when they want to upgrade based on what TV they have and the experience they want. If you have an Xbox One today, we love you, keep playing, keep buying games, keep playing on the service. If youre not an Xbox One customer and you want to buy today we announced the Xbox One S, which is our smaller Xbox One, great price point, think its an amazing console with great content. And obviously if you want 4K and you want the very best in technology, we announced Project Scorpio coming to provide the very highest performance, high fidelity VR and 4K gaming experience for all of our customers, so were giving gamers choice in the consoles that we're putting back.
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Interviewer asks if it should be considered as a new console

Its a member of the Xbox One family, all of your Xbox One games all of your accessories will work across the whole line, certain people will look at 4K based on what TV they have and thats what they want, other people will look at the price of Xbox One S and the price and say thats what they want, and obviously we have millions of people who have been Xbox One for a while and we want to support all of them completely
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Makes me wonder if theyre going to retain the 'One' branding with Scorpio, or it will be a Windows Vista/7 situation where they are very much similar, but the branding is different
 
SO5 said:
Makes me wonder if theyre going to retain the 'One' branding with Scorpio, or it will be a Windows Vista/7 situation where they are very much similar, but the branding is different
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Almost makes a certain amount of sense at this point to call it Xbox One X if they're all in the same family.

Xbox One
Xbox One S
Xbox One X
 
Rad- said:
It's not pointless. I might have bought Neo this fall. Now I will seriously think about it if I can buy a much more powerful console for third party games in a year. I can wait that one year as I already own PS4 for its exclusives.
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it wasn't/isnt coming out this fall...
 
Pathfinder said:
Almost makes a certain amount of sense at this point to call it Xbox One X if they're all in the same family.

Xbox One
Xbox One S
Xbox One X
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That would be a death sentence honestly. The whole point of Scorpio is to jettison away from the XB1 as much as possible.
 
Proelite said:
I reckon we will see VR games at 90 fps.
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I really wonder what it means for vr games for the vanilla ps4 in the end. Third party vr games will be seriously held back by the low spec system. Not only because of Scorpio but also in general. Scorpio is just another competitor in the console business for this.
 
Sony and Microsoft might be taking similar approaches, but for entirely different reasons. It looks like Andrew said that the Neo is for hardcore gamers and Scorpio is for similar reasons, but more specifically for people that want 4k console gaming and VR.

I'm skeptical if 4k or VR is going to be a big thing, but right now it seems both the newer versions of the consoles with be held back by the current versions of the consoles both the companies probably expect and/or want that. Therefor the games will be "modern" games with most likely higher resolution and in some case higher frame rate. Some developers will use the stronger consoles to make their games to have superior graphics with better graphical features, but they will be in the minority.

To me it seems like MS wants to jump in and take full advantage of the newer trends and gaming tech, being the console to get in on them. It has little to do with iterative consoles as some of us thinks - the newer version of consoles being fully taken advantage of with not just better performance cross the board, but with newer tech, and more features - instead the iterative consoles are mostly for newer tech and not for the games themselves necessarily. Consoles are stagnant so they might not be able fully take advantage of newer technology, but not technology in the sense of better CPUs, GPUs, RAM, etc, but tech like motion gaming, 4k, HD, VR, etc. If anything this might resemble MS and Sony doing what they did last-gen with motion gaming.

I think Sony and to some extent MS probably know that these consoles won't have a huge adoption rate and that is probably the point, they aren't necessary designed to completely replace the current versions. If they really wanted to, they would make sure that Neo and Scorpio offer different and superior experience not just with performance or graphics. I actually think that this might help extend the current gen , because releasing another console right after Scorpio will just eat up the audience and make it irrelevant in MS case and Sony probably won't be in a real hurry to start a completely new gen when everything is doing fine for them.

If VR( especially that) and 4k don't take off much, plus the new consoles not selling very much. I expect everything will go back to how the way they were, but the companies making far stronger consoles to last long term.
 
Abinash117 said:
Sony and Microsoft might be taking similar approaches, but for entirely different reasons. It looks like Andrew said that the Neo is for hardcore gamers and Scorpio is for similar reasons, but more specifically for people that want 4k console gaming and VR.

I'm skeptical if 4k or VR is going to be a big thing, but right now it seems both the newer versions of the consoles with be held back by the current versions of the consoles both the companies probably expect and/or want that. Therefor the games will be "modern" games with most likely higher resolution and in some case higher frame rate. Some developers will use the stronger consoles to make their games to have superior graphics with better graphical features, but they will be in the minority.

To me it seems like MS wants to jump in and take full advantage of the newer trends and gaming tech, being the console to get in on them. It has little to do with iterative consoles as some of us thinks - the newer version of consoles being fully taken advantage of with not just better performance cross the board, but with newer tech, and more features - instead the iterative consoles are mostly for newer tech and not for the games themselves necessarily. Consoles are stagnant so they might not be able fully take advantage of newer technology, but not technology in the sense of better CPUs, GPUs, RAM, etc, but tech like motion gaming, 4k, HD, VR, etc. If anything this might resemble MS and Sony doing what they did last-gen with motion gaming.

I think Sony and to some extent MS probably know that these consoles won't have a huge adoption rate and that is probably the point, they aren't necessary designed to completely replace the current versions. If they really wanted to, they would make sure that Neo and Scorpio offer different and superior experience not just with performance or graphics. I actually think that this might help extend the current gen , because releasing another console right after Scorpio will just eat up the audience and make it irrelevant in MS case and Sony probably won't be in a real hurry to start a completely new gen when everything is doing fine for them.

If VR( especially that) and 4k don't take off much, plus the new consoles not selling very much. I expect everything will go back to how the way they were, but the companies making far stronger consoles to last long term.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes, they do want to sell a shitload of Scorpios and Neos. It's not some extend scheme. Both parties are looking at ways to "trap" gamers in the ecosystem and offering titles that travel through the iterations accomplishes that.
 
Proelite said:
If I was Kaz, i would can Neo right now.

Make $299 PS4 with UHD and HDR.
Announce PS5 at E3 2017 for Fall 2018. >10TF. Bury Scorpio.
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Sony's reaction now really intrigues me. Scorpio has been received well and I'd wager it has put a few question marks on their plans.

For the first time I feel like we are gonna have all 3 players on their own divergent paths. Ninty doing their own thing with Sony and MS on the iterative model though updating on alternative timelines.

How this all plays out fascinates me.

I feel Sony will hold course and release Neo soon. They then have a full 12 months or more to themselves. Install could be around 55 million (PS4 and Neo) by time Scorpio hits.

Some good price cuts and games will keep that ball rolling. That's alot of people in their ecosystem that are hard to shift to Scorpio. The install base could be 25 million more than MS.

And 2 and a half years from now release PS5.

So, keep growing the base till holiday 2017. Then a year after Scorpio hits, release a ~10 teraflop PS5. Doable? I'm not sure. But interesting nonetheless.
 
farmerboy said:
Sony's reaction now really intrigues me. Scorpio has been received well and I'd wager it has put a few question marks on their plans.

For the first time I feel like we are gonna have all 3 players on their own divergent paths. Ninty doing their own thing with Sony and MS on the iterative model though updating on alternative timelines.

How this all plays out fascinates me.

I feel Sony will hold course and release Neo soon. They then have a full 12 months or more to themselves. Install could be around 55 million (PS4 and Neo) by time Scorpio hits.

Some good price cuts and games will keep that ball rolling. That's alot of people in their ecosystem that are hard to shift to Scorpio. The install base could be 25 million more than MS.

And 2 and a half years from now release PS5.

So, keep growing the base till holiday 2017. Then a year after Scorpio hits, release a ~10 teraflop PS5. Doable? I'm not sure. But interesting nonetheless.
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You think 2.5 years between consoles? It'll be more likely 4.

Pondering the new consoles. Ps4k releases 2016, Scorpio 2017. A 4 year life cycles before they refresh. So PS5 in 2020 and xbox 5 in 2021. Ps6 in 2024, xbox 6 in 2025...etc... PS will only be the stronger console for 1 year in a cycle, with MS taking the crown for 3 years in a cycle. Cunning plan or blind luck?
 
Kickz said:
Just finished watching this conference and I was thoroughly impressed. Especially ending with this doozy. Good on Microsoft, this was by far my most enjoyable conference watch.

Now I need a Blue/gold controller.:)
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Agreed. I want a blue and red controller!
 
chubigans said:
That would be a death sentence honestly. The whole point of Scorpio is to jettison away from the XB1 as much as possible.
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Based on their initial messaging this is clearly not the case. I'm pretty sure they have explicitly referred to it being a part of the "Xbox One family".
 
Cobalt Izuna said:
As I thought... This is about getting 4K on our games. I world like for them to push frame rate, but multiplat titles will just be One/PS4 in mind with higher res on Scorpio.

Essentially that's what we get with Mobile.
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Shh..all the speculation had been about 4K so far. Don't start on framerate or everyone will get their hopes up, only to get dashed again.
 
mrklaw said:
Shh..all the speculation had been about 4K so far. Don't start on framerate or everyone will get their hopes up, only to get dashed again.
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All they're saying is that devs will still target whatever frame rate suits their game. Ms won't mandate 60fps or whatever. Pixel quality vs framerate will ALWAYS be a trade off in any game.
 
mrklaw said:
Shh..all the speculation had been about 4K so far. Don't start on framerate or everyone will get their hopes up, only to get dashed again.
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Having parity over framerates makes perfect sense, it would be unfair to have a multiplayer shooter where some players played at 30fps and some at 60fps.

The more likely scenario, where developers want to have 60fps, the xbox one version has a lower resolution and uses dynamic scaling whereas the scorpio version runs with full bells and whistles.

I'm perfectly happy with that thanks.
 
justsomeguy said:
All they're saying is that devs will still target whatever frame rate suits their game. Ms won't mandate 60fps or whatever. Pixel quality vs framerate will ALWAYS be a trade off in any game.
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I know. Most games will be 4K/30 or upscaled 1440p/30 except FPS games and the usual suspects. Nothing will change in the balance of framerate vs resolution compared to current and previous gen
 
mrklaw said:
I know. Most games will be 4K/30 or upscaled 1440p/30 except FPS games and the usual suspects. Nothing will change in the balance of framerate vs resolution compared to current and previous gen
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Well here's hoping every game offers a 1080 option with extra bells and whistles.
 
Mushroomer25 said:
Then why am I able to install Steam on Windows?

I think Microsoft is taking this notion of blending Windows 10 and XBox to heart, and really running this into the future. Scorpio could, hypothetically, allow Microsoft to take a sledgehammer to the entire notion of a 'console'. They own an OS with tremendous backwards compatibility, and are now eagerly porting every single exclusive they get their hands on. What advantage do they really glean by keeping XBox this separate, isolated thing?
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Windows is an open platform. Xbox is not (even if it is seemingly becoming a bit more open).

It's all about the money. Microsoft may be porting games to PC, *but* only on their store. They get money from Xbox Live subscriptions. A cut from every transaction on the Xbox Live marketplace. Etc...

Letting another storefront like Steam onto Xbox is never going to happen, period.
 
Saintruski said:
Well if its an APU, AMD has a weird way of adding up their cores... they like to just say for instance its "12 total compute cores* (4 CPU + 8 GPU)"....

so for marketing purposes might as well go with the flow? Technically the CPU and GPU are both used to produced what you see on display, CPU more so for AI, how many of what you see, draw distance and so fourth, so why not consider the APU the GPU and add up the floating point?
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The cpu will be something like 0.1tf anyway so it doesnt make too much of a difference wether the its combined or only the gpu.
 
farmerboy said:
Sony's reaction now really intrigues me. Scorpio has been received well and I'd wager it has put a few question marks on their plans.

For the first time I feel like we are gonna have all 3 players on their own divergent paths. Ninty doing their own thing with Sony and MS on the iterative model though updating on alternative timelines.

How this all plays out fascinates me.

I feel Sony will hold course and release Neo soon. They then have a full 12 months or more to themselves. Install could be around 55 million (PS4 and Neo) by time Scorpio hits.

Some good price cuts and games will keep that ball rolling. That's alot of people in their ecosystem that are hard to shift to Scorpio. The install base could be 25 million more than MS.

And 2 and a half years from now release PS5.

So, keep growing the base till holiday 2017. Then a year after Scorpio hits, release a ~10 teraflop PS5. Doable? I'm not sure. But interesting nonetheless.
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Yeah and then MS release new Xbox in 2019 with 12 terflops, because Sony release a new console in 2 years after Neo, so why can't MS do the same?
 
I really don't think we're going to get new consoles every 2 years. The only way that might happen is if Microsoft and Sony start to stagger their hardware releases.
Either way, it seems like it's going to be something like every 3-4 years.
 
Pathfinder said:
Almost makes a certain amount of sense at this point to call it Xbox One X if they're all in the same family.

Xbox One
Xbox One S
Xbox One X
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Yeah no.

Calling it 'Xbox One' anything is pretty much the worst idea ever and I'm sure MS knows it. They want it seen as a massive step up in power, and perceived as a new generation no matter what they say in 2016 while still trying to sell Xbones.

My guess is just 'Xbox' or maybe they try and get fancy..Xbox Novus, Xbox Ω, Xbox Elite, etc.
 
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At least spec wise this looks like a next gen and not like a evolutionary update or a "mid gen refresher".

1.38 TFLOPS vs. 6 TFLOPS
DDR3+sRAM vs. GDDR5

Approximately 4,3 times more GPU power and the memory pool is completely different.

I wonder why they do not call it next-gen, because for me it seems like a huge HW (power) improvement.

It will be interesting to see how the studios will deal with games development for these two different Xbox platforms. How big the differences will be between the games. I mean it would not make sense to hold back the scorpio version because of the original Xbox, especially if MS wants to build such a HW monster :)

Next year will be interesting. Exciting times are coming! :D

What do you think can MS overtake the PS4/PS4neo with the scorpio and win "this gen" after all?
 
c0de said:
There are no gens anymore. As simple as that.
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Disagree.

4-5 year gaps is still enough time to be considered a separate 'console generation', especially now. It's not some unusually short time gap for consoles either, we've seen it before many times. People are so quick to say gens are over and the console model is over. Theyre not theyre just shorter, something everyone wanted after the endless slog that was Xbox 360/PS3.
 
tapedeck said:
Disagree.

4-5 year gaps is still enough time to be considered a separate 'console generation', especially now. It's not some unusually short time gap for consoles either, we've seen it before many times. People are so quick to say gens are over and the console model is over. Theyre not theyre just shorter, something everyone wanted after the endless slog that was Xbox 360/PS3.
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You are free to disagree but it is what it is. MS is doing their thing, Sony is doing their thing and we don't know what Nintendo will do.
 
These mid cycle console updates are what's going to give these companies the long toothed generation like last generation.


And man the Scorpio is the most feared thing going.
 
If this is just the same games in 4k it's a no go for me. I have a 1080p oled and I'm perfectly happy with it. I need a 1080p mode with higher framerate or better graphics.
 
Jonboy said:
Interesting article here. SIAP.


As you might expect, Microsoft isn't talking about price yet. Though we asked if Microsoft thought players could expect the familiar $400 to $500 launch price or if the Scorpio is a more premium item. "We're not talking about price right now, but it is a more premium piece of hardware," Loftis says.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...d-scorpio-says-microsofts-shannon-lofits.aspx
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so um, more expensive than $500 huh? I mean I guess that was expected, but in other threads many seem to think it's going to be $399-499.

"or if the Scorpio is a more premium(expensive)" than the price examples they asked them.... and the rep responded by saying it was going to be more premium.

so what do yall think the price will be? $599 or even more than that?

Does Microsoft want Scorpio to be similar to other mini Gaming Rigs that we have seen? And that it just has the familiar Microsoft Xbox brand name attached to it instead of, for example Alien?
 
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