DarkoMaledictus
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So many of them because there is a point to be made
. Like I said before, don't get me wrong I love it, but I will be rocking those games on gtx 1080's.
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So many of them because there is a point to be made
. Like I said before, don't get me wrong I love it, but I will be rocking those games on gtx 1080's.CrimsonGun
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So many of them because there is a point to be made
The point is a bad one, many people simply don't want to invest or game on the pc. For those people a console is a viable option.
Neander
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Yea I never understood these "Xbox is useless now because games are on PC" argument. I got a pretty decent PC rig in my bedroom. But guess what? My wife and kids will never touch it. It's too much of a hassle for them. That's where the argument falls apart. A console in the living room that's easy and accessible for everyone will always be appealing for most people. If I can buy a game once and play on both then that becomes a major bonus for me.
Not everyone can be fucked with PC's or even know where to start with building one, especially a gaming one.
I've been a PC gamer for years but the last card I bought was a GTX580. What current games can I play on that? Next to none. Consoles play all the current games, don't need to be upgraded, no driver bullshit to worry about etc. etc.
I'll be getting both the NEO and the Scorpio and my PC can sit upstairs getting older and older. I don't mind, my massive library of steam games still work but I won't be upgrading it anytime soon.
Pancakes R Us
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Totaly agree wth these posts. There's a lot more people on there than just us needs in GAF land, those that don't game on a PC. And even then, I reckon there's a significant amount of us on GAF that just don't and won't game on a PC. Xbox will not become obsolete just because the games are on PC. Can I afford a good gaming capable PC? Yes. Do I want one? No.
There are a significant number of people that buy the yearly CoD, FIFA, Madden etc. on consoles that PC gaming just won't appeal to. I reckon the Xbox vs. PC argument really only holds on places like GAF and others where there's a significant community of PC gamers.
Iced Arcade
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Sure I'll pop that video card in my laptop... lol
Doesn't seem like Microsoft cares about selling too many Xbox consoles. They seem perfectly okay with this. Or their confident enough people will still buy the consoles, it might not sell as much as competitor consoles but their games might sell more?
SenjutsuSage
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To piggyback what others have said. A lot of people, even those that can afford an expensive PC, simply don't want to game on a PC. I'm one of those people. I can very easily buy 3 to 4 high end pc gaming rigs right now, and still have plenty of money to spare, and I choose not to.
I'm someone who will upgrade my PC at some point, just something I like to do, and I do sometimes game on the PC. It use to be my primary gaming platform for years before the xbox 360 came out, but that is no longer the case. I still occasionally use it to game, though. I played my 2014 game of the year, South Park the Stick of Truth on PC, and I did the same for Tomb Raider 2013, but I have no immediate, or even future plans, for doing the majority of my gaming on anything other than a console. That includes Scorpio, and that includes, more than likely, a Neo unless there's a surprise announcement and Persona 5 ends up coming to Xbox. Gotta be honest, though, with God of War and Horizon Zero dawn looking like they do, and that damn Spiderman game, there's just way too much of a pull for me to ignore the new PS4.
I'm someone who will upgrade my PC at some point, just something I like to do, and I do sometimes game on the PC. It use to be my primary gaming platform for years before the xbox 360 came out, but that is no longer the case. I still occasionally use it to game, though. I played my 2014 game of the year, South Park the Stick of Truth on PC, and I did the same for Tomb Raider 2013, but I have no immediate, or even future plans, for doing the majority of my gaming on anything other than a console. That includes Scorpio, and that includes, more than likely, a Neo unless there's a surprise announcement and Persona 5 ends up coming to Xbox. Gotta be honest, though, with God of War and Horizon Zero dawn looking like they do, and that damn Spiderman game, there's just way too much of a pull for me to ignore the new PS4.
justsomeguy
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.Correct - sort of. It's nit just about games but the services they sell on top. The giant bomb interview with lord Phil is worth a watch. Explains the rationale behind it.
justsomeguy
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Hah dude are you me? I could have written this word for word apart from the persona 5 bit.
cantona222
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Is it more than 64 bits?
Bits N Pieces
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Dat loophole get out.
Here's the thing, though: outside of that one-time purchase of the Xbox itself (which they might actually lose money on), Microsoft sees absolutely no difference between you purchasing your game from the Windows 10 store or purchasing it on disc for your XBox1/Scorpio. That's what's so brilliant a move by this. Those that want the console can have it, those that don't, don't, and Microsoft makes money off the software sale either way. It can even use its software lineup to coerce people to move up to Windows 10, which is their #1 priority at the moment.
This is Microsoft moving to a world where they don't give a shit whether you buy an XBox or not: as long as they can get you into the XBox ecosystem, whether that be the Windows 10 store, the XBox 1, or the Scorpio, they're set.
It's a pretty clever strategy, to be honest. It means they can succeed whether the Scorpio sells 10 million units or 100 million units.
justsomeguy
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The elephant in the room is Xbox live gold revenue.
I wonder if we'll see a "games with gold" style sub on pc - ie an EA Access type thing.
It'll happen eventually. Phil already said he likes the idea of GwG on PC.
The only problem with that is console games are going to be furious they're paying for Multiplayer. Even if you look in threads now about it, everyone's defence is "but we get games with gold". When PC gets that too MS will get way more heat about it
I'm not sure why people keep asking this question. Some people just don't like playing on PC, or Don't want to bother with keeping their hardware up to date. There will always be a console market that attracts people who aren't into DIY.
MS is perfectly aware that people who prefer PC will play there instead. You aren't hurting their feelings- you'll be in the win10 store.
Scorpio is for people who want a powerful console and value the benefits of a console. If you prefer the benefits of PC gaming, they want you in there store.
Which is fine by Microsoft. Buy their game on Xbox or buy it on Windows 10. Either way they make a sale.
I see it as the same reason why I have an Android phone and an Android tablet. They complement each other. I buy some music or a movie on my tablet but I can access that same content on my phone.
By the same token I buy a game on Xbox One/S/Scorpio/PC and I can play it on any of those platforms I want. Maybe my daughter is playing a game on the console, fine, I will play mine on my PC.
Why is 8th we expect our movies, TV shows, music, books, etc to follow us from device to device but for some reason video games are taboo and must only be played on one particular platform? That makes no sense in these modern times.
darkinstinct
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How fast we went from the windows 10 store is shite to Xbox is dead, we have the windows 10 store.
Majority of gamers are console only, gaming on PC isn't ever going to be an option for alot of us as it's simply a inconvenience, so your wrong.
panda-zebra
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We should make teams:
Team $399 (I'm on this team)
Team $499
And
Team crazy
Team $399 is Team Crazy, there's very little reason why it should launch without a real premium price tag.
Scorpio will be the premium unit and, IMO, initially aimed directly at existing customers who are already massively invested in the ecosystem, as a means of keeping them there. There's no reason for multiple Scorpio SKUs with a token cheap one with crippled HDD specs or whatever - the kinds of people in day one will want the best of the best. And they'll be prepared to pay.
The kinds of people who go out and buy an xb1s later this year at a bargain price won't be the same demographic there day 1 for Scorpio, they will likely be satisfied with what they have for years to come. Instead they'll be the kinds of hardened fans who rushed out and bought the xb1 in year 1 despite the ongoing issues and concerns back then. The xbox ultras. It'll have the same kind of premium pricing that launch unit had for some time, as they know full well they will sell regardless of price and shifting a good few million units for proper money will be candy from a baby level stuff. In fact I'd argue it kind of needs that air of aspirational/illusive DOWANT before a more reasonable break-even kind of pricing takes over later on as it takes over as the default entry level machine as xb1s becomes end of life. That should come at a time when 4k TVs are doing likewise along with a VR solution, too.
Scorpio isn't going to exceed monthly unit sales of the base model xb1s for some time after release, maybe in its 2nd holiday season if they need to be aggressive price-wise vs the competition, but then they risk camnibalising their own cheaper unit sales. Talk in here of a $199 xb1s by Scorpio release time seems Team Crazy++ - reserve that for when Scorpio itself sees a drop to a more mass market pricing (the kind many in here are pinning their hopes on from day 1). If there is a $199 xb1s any time soon after Scorpio's release, it'll hold back uptake on the beefier machine unless they're willing to take massive losses on both units, and as I said above, there's no good argument for doing that as it's throwing money away, risking more longer term harm if anything.
Same as everyone else in here, all opinion, all picked out of my arse and based on nothing but feels.
NippleViking
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While I agree with much of this, I believe it will be dead-in-the-water if they launch it anywhere above $499 - it may be premium, but it cannot be catered to hardcore enthusiasts. That would totally undermine one of, if not the biggest factor in console success. And I think current MS recognizes that they need it to be affordable in some sense.
Nah. Some people like premium and will pay the higher cost. It's been like that forever.
But $150 premium controllers are selling like hotcakes... if it is good enough, people will buy.
Yep.
justsomeguy
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All this talk of things being dead in the water. All depends what the goal is and how you define dead. Will it outsell ps4? Doubt it. Also doubt that's what it's meant to do. Is the NVidia 1080 dead in the water if it doesn'tset sales records or outsell the 970? No.
I don't care about any of that. I just want one.
If were translating it into GBP prices it'll end being about £429999999
nelsonroyale
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Hmmm, yeah. That is expensive, but £500 would not work out for them, at least until they cut the price.
£400 with Xbone at <£350 could work. Which begs the question how they are going to price Neo, if it is weaker it absolutely has to be cheaper.
I'll just say that I would be really surprised if it's $399, and am expecting $499. For what they are packing in the box, they can definitely sell it as a premium device, especially if it ends up heavily outpacing the Neo.
Ultimately though, I do think a lot of it comes down to the Neo... how does it perform in it's first few months on market, how do the specs compare, what's the price, etc.
Ultimately though, I do think a lot of it comes down to the Neo... how does it perform in it's first few months on market, how do the specs compare, what's the price, etc.
Controllers are no where near the same as a console guys come on.
It cannot be over $400, it won't accomplish what MS wants it too.
The reason the ps4 was so successful was price and power, not just power.
You can't reasonably expect Scorpio to sell at a premium attachment rate (slower, less customers) while thinking MS will be okay because they're still selling Xbox ones.
$399 or bust IMO.
It cannot be over $400, it won't accomplish what MS wants it too.
The reason the ps4 was so successful was price and power, not just power.
You can't reasonably expect Scorpio to sell at a premium attachment rate (slower, less customers) while thinking MS will be okay because they're still selling Xbox ones.
$399 or bust IMO.
Would both be overpriced for all we know.
Isn't neo only around 4tf? Why would anyone pay 450 for that? 500 for scorpion? lol good luck.
Team 599 or more.We should make teams:
Team $399 (I'm on this team)
Team $499
And
Team crazy
Your optimism is cool, but both Neo and Scorpio are 14nm. For Scorpio to be 6 TF it will be a physically larger machine, draw more power, use complex cooling, and release more heat.
Also we haven't touched the CPU. Sony and MS are limited by 14 nm. There is no magic bullet that will make either machine cheaper because the process will determine its size, heat, and power draw.
Premium devices usually aren't priced for mass market appeal. If you are expecting it to sell like how the PS4 sold (or even XBO) then I think we are of two different thought processes. I don't think it will sell like a mass market device at launch. There will be early adopters no doubt but it won't be like as if this was a new generation. I would look at it as selling the Elite bundle (when it first came out) vs. the regular XBO. It hold a bigger price, you don't expect to build as many and you know not everyone is going to get it but you know that there is a market for it. The same goes for Sony.
Why though?
Phil already went on record saying he wants to sell at a loss to get people on XBL.
Why not sell at a cheaper price and have it sell like hot cakes?
Why did we pay 399 and 499 for under powered systems before 3 years ago?
Super_Cobra
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What's the point of Scorpio and Neo. If they are not gonna have exclusive games then they are wasting it's full potential.
How would online gameplay work? 2 different lobbies?
I think the scorpio and Neo are a waste of time.
How would online gameplay work? 2 different lobbies?
I think the scorpio and Neo are a waste of time.
Can you show the quote where Phil outright said he wants to sell at a loss?
If it is sold at a loss, don't expect any more of a loss more than a minor one. No one is stupid enough to sell you something with a 50 dollar loss. The razor blade model had plenty of disadvantages.
The PR I can remember is constantly referencing the word premium, and for the hardcore. I'd look towards the Elite contriller for a pricing model. 599 with an Elite controller etc.
It'll be sold at a loss, but come on. You have to be realistic.
I am being realistic, it's over a year away.
Considering neo might be out for a while ahead of it, and have a possible price drop, combined with cheaper costs for parts, I can easily see MS selling it at $399 by holiday 2017
family_guy
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No one makes purchases based on teraflops unless they are PC gamers. A console with those specs and plays 4k Blurays at that price offers great value.
I hope you are right. I'll be shocked as hell, but I don't see it happening. But I like the way you think!
Samurai G0SU
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there are people who buy bottled water and those who buy Water Filters. there is a market for both. Such as in the Living room, plug and play console is marketable as how a desktop PC is. They can exist with eachother.
Best part is that MS is providing content at each preferred method, so they don't lose because you become part of their MAU. It'll actually increase now since the access to their Exclusive content is now on the PC. There are plenty of kids/teens/teen-adults who only have a mid-low range PC and can barely afford a game versus a few hundred dollar console.
Just think if Brita sold bottled water. Perhaps, some might be underplaying convenience a little too much.
Humans like convenience. And we like options/variety.
Every time i see the Scorpio thread bumped, i get excited as if someone had some leaked nitty gritty details. but no, someone says xbox is doomed and everyone will move to PC. sigh....
Best part is that MS is providing content at each preferred method, so they don't lose because you become part of their MAU. It'll actually increase now since the access to their Exclusive content is now on the PC. There are plenty of kids/teens/teen-adults who only have a mid-low range PC and can barely afford a game versus a few hundred dollar console.
Just think if Brita sold bottled water. Perhaps, some might be underplaying convenience a little too much.
Humans like convenience. And we like options/variety.
Every time i see the Scorpio thread bumped, i get excited as if someone had some leaked nitty gritty details. but no, someone says xbox is doomed and everyone will move to PC. sigh....
Glorified G
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$399 isn't a mass market price & would say it is a premium entry point. Xbox One will be $299 or lower a year & a half from Scorpio launching at the end of '17. Having a $100 difference is big enough. At most there will be higher priced models with bigger TB drives.
I know it sounds impressive now, but a 6TF console at then end of '17 is totally reasonable at $399.
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