It'll be $399.
There's no way MS will release at a ahivher price after what happened with the One.
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Xbox Scorpio Making "Amazing Progress," - Phil Spencer
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It'll be $399.
There's no way MS will release at a ahivher price after what happened with the One.
So basically the 900p v. 1080p of today.
Pro v. Scorpio will be the 1800p v. 2160p, where tables are flipped.
MS is not interested in selling at a loss
Hawk269
Member
LMAO. You have exactly what I have. 4k Monster PC Rig, PS4 Pro (Pre-Ordered), PSVR, but also have the Xbox One S. Lot's of options!!! I am really hoping PRO is able to help PSVR. I love the VR unit but IQ is pretty horrible and I am hoping the Pro will help out with that greatly.
Would people have made such a fuss if Xbox One was significantly more powerful at $100 more instead of being weaker with a camera peripheral that nobody wanted?
Was debating getting a One s after crimbo for the Bluray player,
Have you tried tethered? it has some of the cleanest IQ i've seen in VR yet, if pro can boost that it'll be like being in a pixar film.
Stillmatic
Member
Don't think I'd go that far, you can notice that difference further than a foot away. But we'll see. Wonder what the differences there'll be for 1080p users.
Florida_Man_5000
Member
The consoles are designed for widespread household adoption as they are much more important for digital storefront purposes. Those other products are workplace productivity, and thus priced for "corporate" buyers.
Chill Penguin
Member
I think $499 is an alright price point as long as it delivers a premium experience over PS4P. The problem with both Xbone and PS3 were they were more expensive than their competitor but delivered worse performance.
They're due for a new Halo as well even with Halo Wars 2 dropping in February.
Hopefully we see updates to Scalebound, Gears 4, and Forza Horizon 3.
GTR R35_Supra RZ
Banned
Dat salt dripping..dat jealousy and hatred is strong in this one.
Not too long now..before the King is back for world domination arrival come nxt Nov.
Not too long now..before the King is back for world domination arrival come nxt Nov.
GTR R35_Supra RZ
Banned
There is no chance it will be $499. You can quote me on that
$549 ? But that's pushing it.
Slangblade
Member
Funny I didn't know Microsoft dominated a generation...
Still can't wait for Scorpio though. Will be getting the pro too!
Seriously, MS are going to shock everyone with the price. They'll build it up as a premium machine and creat a frenzy when it's much cheaper than expected.
Florida_Man_5000
Member
The Scorpio better retroactively improve Mass Effect Andromeda or I'll be unhappy.
I don't think there will be any more shocks with lower price consoles from Sony or MS ever again.
If they really were going to do a $600-700 product, absolutely. The Surface Studio is incredible but god damn it's expensive. I expect the Scorpio to look great but it's gotta ball on a budget.
But 900p was unacceptable (unless the same game was 720p on Xbox)!
I don't see why people appear offended the people are underwhelmed by the Pro, and yet adore the prospect of Scorpio, I can however imagine if the tables were flipped and Scorpio was first, passing off 4Kinda as the next step.
In a less console war perspective, Scorpio may be the last iterative upgrade until Gen 9. Who knows how long that'll be.
For me, Pro came out at a time where the next hotness is PSVR, which is already priced like a new console. It's also what Sony are themselves pushing the hardest.
HDR and 4K is on early adopter territory atm. I'd be quite perplexed if a lot of people were even ready for Pro. The Neo reveals weren't centred around 4K, so there's this lack of preparation for the casual gamer.
Scorpio fits more into the "new console" timeslot for me personally. And I'd imagine that's how a few people feel.
DeadlyParasite
Member
I hope not. I want a powerful stationary console with no mobile wankery.
amdb00mer
Member
I think it will be $399 as well. People will have to remember it's a year away. Components will go down in price between now and then. I think they will not announce pricing until next E3 or even later. Heck the PS4Pro could be $349 or $299 by next holiday. We just won't know for sure until this time next year.
LukasTaves
Member
Given how checkerboard works, wouldn't reducing the framerate increase the quality?
In theory if the image is static it gives a perfect 4k image, but the faster it moves between each frame the worst the temporal component becomes.
Assuming I understood right and he saw the game running in slow motion.
Nah. Considering how hard they have been pushing their message for Scorpio (true 4K, most powerful console, premium console, etc.) that flak could universally remain for the entire life cycle of the system and rightfully so. If they launch a "premium" console for $499 the flak would likely be there until the price is acceptable for any individual. There will always be the Xbox One S for those that don't find $499 acceptable.
lightskintwin
Banned
I feel like people are purposely setting themselves up for disappointment by constantly assuring that there's no way it's going to be above 400 dollars despite the repeated label of "premium" product by Microsoft representatives.
Agreed.
Agreed.
EventHorizon
Member
You are overestimating how much prices drop. Check out the price history on the GTX 980
Or how about the price history of the AMD Radeaon R9 390X
For the Scorpio to only cost $400 a year from now means that you think it would be selling at around $430 today as a best case scenario.
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Have you ever danced with uncompressed pixels in the pale moonlight?
It's a bit like that.
Leonidas
Member
Good thing that new GPU technology is cheaper for similar levels of performance then.
GTX 1060 ≈ GTX 980 at half the cost for example...
statham
Member
Win.
Rain City Gamer
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZpIog7e-R4
this is basically how people are reacting to the Scorpio at this point.
EventHorizon
Member
That's a generational leap in technology. We aren't going to have another one of those between now and when Scorpio releases. Scorpio will be using a custom Polaris base FinFET APU just like the PS4 Pro. We are looking for a price reduction relative to PS4 Pro's tech not some mythical whole other new generation chip.
That means my original analysis stands. For the Scorpio to come in at around $400 a year from now, it'd have to be the equivalent of a $430 priced PS4 Pro today. There is no way adding ~$30 to the price of the Pro gets you the Scorpio specs.
potatohead
Member
Much more excited for this than I was at any moment for og xbone
Bl@de
Member
It's okay. My one year old GPU has 7.4. By the end of 2017 it will be mainstream performance.
statham
Member
It depends if they sell below cost, at cost or trying to make a buck. Looking at the PS4 slim, they are trying to maximize profits, can you say the same about XB S? they could very much carry this over for the scorpion,
HighResTomato
Member
I doubt Panos his Surface team would be working on Xbox hardware, it would be cool if they did.
They certainly aren't going to make a profit at $400 like the PS4 Pro likely does, but they aren't going to take nearly as high of a loss as some seem to think. An API with a 6TF GPU and a better CPU should come in at a similar size to the XBO APU, and by the end of 2017 cost may even be lower depending on the maturity of 14nm. The only other major factor is RAM, and 12GB of higher speed GDDR5 will probably cost a fair bit less in 2017 than the 8GB Sony used in 2013. If they do take a loss, it will be on par with the loss they took on XBO minus Kinect. I'm not entirely sure why people expect this to be $500 or more, outside of a complete lack of any kind of technical understanding that is. A $500 console on 14nm in 2017 would either be quite profitable, have a gigantic APU with a ton of RAM, or have discrete parts.
Crayon
Member
I don't know, either. I think many of those overestimating the price are also overestimating the performance. As we get closer to the now distant launch, I wonder how the perception of a 500 dollar monster is going to get along with the 400 dollar reality.
yankeehater
Member
I am more excited for this then I have ever been for any console. I love the xb1 so much and this is going to improve on that. I can't fucking wait.
EventHorizon
Member
That is an entirely different argument than saying that the Scorpio will be $400 because it comes out a year later than the Pro. My comments pointed out that the drop in price due to tech improvements won't be a large as people are fantasizing about.
As for your point about Microsoft heavily subsidizing Scorpio, that seems highly unlikely. When asked about price, they described the Scorpio as a "premium console". That's not a product that is going to compete on price. It's a product that's going to compete on features. The Xbox One S is the budget console for the price conscience consumer. Scorpio is for those who price is no object and are willing to spend to get the best. My guess is that they are targeting $500.
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Yep.
They're building up the "premium product" thing in an attempt to do the "mic drop" moment a la Sony in 2013 with a $399 announcement.
That's fine to think that. My guess is you're wrong.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
I really want it to be a monster console. A $600 budget for the performance package would be awesome.
EventHorizon
Member
That's fine too. I'm pointing out that for the Scorpio to hit $400 requires a significant subsidy by Microsoft which they have shown no indication they are willing to do. The following quote was their idea of a price concession.
"Like, I'm not trying to sell you a high-end gaming PC rig for a couple of thousand dollars or something."
The idea that a couple of thousands of dollars came up at all is shocking. Microsoft could subsidize Scorpio down to $400, but we currently have no evidence that they'll do so. The best you can say right now is that you hope Scorpio will be $400.I bet MS loving it though. So many people pushing the absurd notion of this thing be $500 or even more is going to send hype through the roof when it's announced as $400. And while I agree it won't be as much of a monster in 2017, the performance to power value will keep it hyped for some time after launch. The same exact thing happened with the PS4. Though, it also all depends on the CPU tech, final memory allocation, and final GPU clock speed. The right configuration when compared to competitors will keep it labeled as a powerhouse long after launch, ass the differences could go far beyond rendering resolution.
And even from just reactions in this thread it seems to be working. I dont understand what is so expensive - die shrink or more mature production means larger APU is possible at similar cost. PS4 pro is more than double the performance of PS4 but at the same price as launch. Scorpio is about 50% more, 12 months later. I can totally see it being in the ballpark of $399.
Only wildcard I can see is if they go for separate CPU/GPU rather than an APU (maybe apu would be too big?). That could increase costs and allow them to go with zen for CPU. But I don't know how that would affect BC