The Omega Man
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I don't know about that man, some people are claiming that this Scorpio thing is on par or more powerful than a 1080 GTX GPU
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XBOX Scorpio vs PC: to-the-metal design vs sheer brute force
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I don't know about that man, some people are claiming that this Scorpio thing is on par or more powerful than a 1080 GTX GPU
Killer Queen
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Considering the topic at hand and what he's saying, context will make or break what he's saying. Sure I'm exaggerating in saying that absolutely none of it makes sense if you're taking it literally, because it's obviously not sure gibberish. But the argument he's trying to make with said analogy along with their follow up comments makes no sense in the context of this discussion
Lister
Banned
The SHEER BRUTE FORCE of PC vs the SUPER ENHANCED, FINELY TUNED precision of the consoles!!
Results =>
PC 60 FPS Very high settings - Consoles 25-30 FPS Medium settings (except for texture rez).
I'll take "BRUTE FORCE"!!!! Any day.
What a bunch of nonsense. Anything to downplay PC gaming tech. Hey guess what, develoeprs Optimize for the PC platform too. You cna't just throw console code at it and hope it works.
Results =>
PC 60 FPS Very high settings - Consoles 25-30 FPS Medium settings (except for texture rez).
I'll take "BRUTE FORCE"!!!! Any day.
What a bunch of nonsense. Anything to downplay PC gaming tech. Hey guess what, develoeprs Optimize for the PC platform too. You cna't just throw console code at it and hope it works.
Seriously, i was playing Dragon Age Inq at 1800p last night downsampled to 1080p.
I would say the Scorpio would be 1060 class from what ive seen.
Nothing really changes though: if you have the money you can always brute force OC to better performance.
My current PC should outperform Scorpio for example.
It's great to see Optimization on console but fundamentally it's about hitting a price too that many on PC chose to ignore vs getting even better performance.
Also looking at multi platform games I remain skeptcal of how many big games will truly be fully optimised because, in s manner similar to different PC configs, they're going to be built to run on PS4, XB1, PS4 Pro and now Scorpio and possibly Switch and PC too. That's gonna reduce verbal Optimization station to a single console I'd have thought.
Still a new device always causes swell of interest and DF aren't immune from raising juicy old topics that repeat and repeat each gen.
My current PC should outperform Scorpio for example.
It's great to see Optimization on console but fundamentally it's about hitting a price too that many on PC chose to ignore vs getting even better performance.
Also looking at multi platform games I remain skeptcal of how many big games will truly be fully optimised because, in s manner similar to different PC configs, they're going to be built to run on PS4, XB1, PS4 Pro and now Scorpio and possibly Switch and PC too. That's gonna reduce verbal Optimization station to a single console I'd have thought.
Still a new device always causes swell of interest and DF aren't immune from raising juicy old topics that repeat and repeat each gen.
Those people don't know what they're talking about.
LordOcidax
Member
Marketing my friend, amazing to see DF doing this... IMO.
It depends on a few factors:
A) Do they own a capable PC
B) Do they own a console that would benefit from magical metal coding
icecold1983
Member
Why do you think it wont perform close to a 1070? A ps4 pro performs close to a 1060 and this is 50% faster than a ps4 pro
Same thing I thought.
Totally misguided and superficial commentary, just to pander to the gullible.
I didn't say what I thought.
If anything i think it will match an R9 fury x class.
The 1070 is a stretch, maybe with certain scenarios it might be on par (hitman for instance) but in practice i dont think so.
icecold1983
Member
A fury x performs similarly to a 1070
Can you back this up with benchmarks? The Pro's GPU is basically an RX470, which is certainly not in line with a GTX1060. I know people loooooove to go on and on about coding to the metal and API/OS overhead, but that sort of rhetoric doesn't tend to play out in the real world.
LordOcidax
Member
Reading between lines... Amazing.
"I've seen Microsoft's new console running a Forza Motorsport 6-level experience locked to 4K60 on the equivalent to PC's ultra settings... GTX 1070 weather conditions causing performance dips. Only GTX 1080 held completely solid in all test cases."
"I've seen Microsoft's new console running a Forza Motorsport 6-level experience locked to 4K60 on the equivalent to PC's ultra settings... GTX 1070 weather conditions causing performance dips. Only GTX 1080 held completely solid in all test cases."
Glass Shark
Banned
Some people have literally no idea what they're talking about
Kssio_Aug
Member
Okay, I cofess that to me, all these names and numbers means nothing (cause I don't exactly understand them). The way I read it is: by the same price tag, you get considerably more juice from Xbox Scorpio.
I see here many people talking things like "same old shit" or "that's marketing" and stuff like that. I don't doubt it... but would someone care to explain me in what exactly they're lying? I need someone that explains it to me as I was 5 years old though.
I see here many people talking things like "same old shit" or "that's marketing" and stuff like that. I don't doubt it... but would someone care to explain me in what exactly they're lying? I need someone that explains it to me as I was 5 years old though.
LordOcidax
Member
Digital Foundry?
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Which is also true.
family_guy
Member
If all new PC games used Vulcan would it even be a contest?
Killer Queen
Banned
Are we really going to start seriously arguing about whether or not the Scorpio can compare to a 1080? Common sense alone should tell you no.
Scorpio is going to perform around the FE stock clock 1060, no magical coding is going to change that.
Which, by the way, is still super impressive for a $500 console and should be seen as a knock against it.
But there is no way it's going to get close to a 1070 or surpass some of the other 1060 builds.
Glass Shark
Banned
Pretty sure DF has never said the Scorpio was near a 1080 level. Even if they did, they're only making statements right now based on the limited information Microsoft has given them, which would of course be favorable.
Look, you can't just magically make a $400-500 machine that outperforms gaming PCs costing over twice that. Microsoft will have to deliver the proof when the console comes out. Until then, we just don't know.
-Amon-
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FYI coding to the metal means writing software ( or tiny parts of it ) using a low level language like assembler, hard to code but very fast.
They're wrong. A GTX 1080 smokes the GPU in this and anyone who's running a GTX 1080 is probably running an i5 CPU at least, which utterly blows the CPU in Scorpio out of the water.
Scorpio looks like a seriously cleverly built, well optimised machine which is going to lunch well above its weight. It is NOT going to rival GTX 1080 powered PCs in terms of brute power.
sixteen-bit
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LordOcidax
Member
"I've seen Microsoft's new console running a Forza Motorsport 6-level experience locked to 4K60 on the equivalent to PC's ultra settings... GTX 1070 weather conditions causing performance dips. Only GTX 1080 held completely solid in all test cases."....
That's pretty sad, indeed. I hope their future analysises don't follow this trend.
Lister
Banned
The same things were being said about the PS4 and the Pro. Except, in the end, equivalent (and even LOWER END) PC GPU's (like the 750ti) were matching or outperforming the consoles in most games.
Everyone was drinking the koolaid, certain that their PS4 was equivalent to a brand new, high end PC. Reality hit these folks hard. But apparently lessons have not been learned.
We should really teach more critical thinking at earlier stages of education.
I don't think he knows for sure WHAT settings that game was running on, nor what further optimizations it was beneffitin from that the PC build does not currently have.
Or this:
This is Digitla Foundry acting like Gamesotp or IGN do during "Box opening videos". Esentially, marketing arms of Microsoft.
That's nto to say they won't follow it up with some actual, and valid analysis. But this isn't that.
Stevey
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icecold1983
Member
And what pc gpu does a ps4pro perform around for some clarity
PC gamers should be happy that the Play Anywhere games like Halo 6 will be 4K optimized Scorpio ports. If anything, this is a win for a lot of multiplatform devs too, who can now use Scorpio as a base for development and then pare down for the other consoles and keep that same port for PC, adding better eye candy for those who can utilize it. Hell even PS4 Pro versions of games could benefit if Scorpio became lead platform for say the next Battlefield etc. Still have to learn more though. E3 will be good this year.
This isn't a way to perform tech analysis. This is DF playing PR for Microsoft.
You cannot determine relative graphical prowess from a single data point handed to you by the company producing the tech.
Ask AMD fans about that :lmao
Sword Of Doom
Member
I really think these comparisons with consoles and pc's are kind of irrelevant for someone who wants to play 99% of their games at a minimum 60fps. Sure, let's say developers can get more out of a console GPU than on PC, what good is that for me if they use the extra resources for visuals instead of frame rate?
Also, all "ultra" settings aren't the same. "Ultra" is not a standard
Also, all "ultra" settings aren't the same. "Ultra" is not a standard
Glass Shark
Banned
Believe what you want, but the math and logic just doesn't hold up that this machine can actually compete with a high-end gaming PC. As someone else said just above, it seems like they are on the right track and the Scorpio will be a powerhouse of a console. But calling it comparable to a 1080 is folly and I'm actually really shocked that DF felt comfortable making the kind of analysis they did with so little tangible information to go on. MS PR wowed them with technical talk, but none of that matters until we see more real-world performance.
Between an R470 and R480, closer to the 470.
icecold1983
Member
Im wondering how you add 50% to that and come up with FE1060 performance
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Gigabyte/GTX_1080_Ti_Xtreme_Gaming/30.html
You also dont have to worry about amds drivers on a console so thats a factor as well. You see the ground they can gain under dx12/vulkan
family_guy
Member
I think it's more that when you see games like Uncharted 4 and Horizon Zero Dawn, you ask yourself what do you need a high end PC for? You can spend 2 grand on a PC and it will still not play those games. I have a GTX 1070 yet this year alone I've purchased 5 PS4 games and zero PC games. Even if it's multiplatform, it's just more convenient for me to boot the game up on my PS4 than my PC.
Killer Queen
Banned
Probably because they're console exclusives, not because a 2k PC can't play them.
Regurgitating PR like this is pretty embarrassing for DF. These are the exact same sorts of "secret sauce" claims that have been trotted out at hardware reveals for years now and it never pans out.
DF has never been great for hardware the way they are for software, but I'd never have expected them to be this bad.
LordOcidax
Member
I know that dude... That article is PR bullshit.
Because the numbers work out? If Scorpio performs over an FE1060 it'll be very slightly.
It's blast processing all over again.
Console fanboys seem to have a very short-term memory and don't wanna understand basic power differences between pc's and consoles.
Stop believing stuff until it's proven multiple times from multiple different credible sources with the final console and games are running at their space.
Just stop it, MS is well known for making things up and using pc footage of their games.
Lanrutcon
Member
That's relative performance compared to the 1080s though?
I need my PC for that sweet sweet 144hz
icecold1983
Member
You can get the relative performance from any of the gpus on that list
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Looks like it.
They tested it directly against the same game running on all 3 Nvidia cards and only the 1080 could match its performance. Fucking hell.