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XO backlash: what effect will it have? Will Microsoft change anything?

I think it really comes down to how much consumers value used games. If the majority don't think it's an issue, then it will do well.
 
Phat Michael said:
that isn't trolling. read the "what slogan should the new ps and xbox have" thread and tell me every 2nd post isn't a troll post.
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You are cherry picking threads then. You originally said "every thread" so I was taking that literally. Sure the threads like the slogan one and the sum up MS in gif form will have funny/dickish responses but that is the nature of the beast when a new generation comes a knockin'.

.GqueB. said:
Do our cries ever amount to anything?
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Naughty Dogs have our backs and our cries for the option to turn of sound mode in The Last of Us was heard! Praise da Naughty Gods!
 
Knux-Future said:
I know another omg the world is gonna end thread...

But I am curious does anyone think that the backlash will cause microsoft to change? Or sell less


Or will our cries amount to nothingness?

I think I have simply accepted the future but still I wonder if the bad press will amount to anything? I doubt it because the stuff they did show will probably sell really well to that market. Plus Sony might get forced to si the same if some are tp be believed.

Really interesting E3 coming up.... For all the wrong reasons
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Really the people who don't comment at all - the ones who will know about it via marketing those people ... we don't know what they think.

But it will sell less, actually both the PS4 and X1 will do poor sales. Sony focusing too closely on games, and MS being that all in one device but being bullish and anti-consumer.
 
Honestly, I don't even know if they should.

This guy at work comes up to me and says, "did you check out the new Xbox? It is sick, right?".

I said to myself, I think there are going to be a lot of people in the market, jumping in with the lower price point with their subscription model and that is all people want.

Cheaper console, better graphics and something that seems to do like everything.

Not everyone thinks like me or others on GAF. From my perspective, that is sad.
 
Probably none and that's too bad............I have no hope for next gen.....Microsoft would be better served making an Apple TV clone rather than an actual game console.
 
xxracerxx said:
You are cherry picking threads then. You originally said "every thread" so I was taking that literally. Sure the threads like the slogan one and the sum up MS in gif form will have funny/dickish responses but that is the nature of the beast when a new generation comes a knockin'.
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I went through most of the threads since last night. it's a minefield of troll posts. I wasn't happy with the conference either but it's pretty much the same comments and jokes over and over.
 
jmdajr said:
Nothing. It's all about sales.
If it flops, then strategy will change.
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This guy understands. Forums know nothing at all about how things will sell. People were adamant that the Wii name was atrocious and the console would fail. GAF was sure that Vita would succeed - just go back to posts at it's unveiling.

I don't like the direction the XboxOne is going but I don't have a clue whether the market will agree with me.
 
Stumpokapow said:
You're not really comparing apples and apples. All of the companies nominated by the Consumerist were #1 or near-#1 in their fields. The point of the poll was to call attention to the abusive ways in which those companies took advantage of the captive audience they had because of their size and reach. In part the nominations were a reflection of the fact that customers were not going to abandon these companies because in many cases there's no easy substitution, and that's why it's even more important to put pressure on the companies, because the market isn't as capable of doing so.
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Great point. the only company that is hard to substitute is Nintendo because they first party style of games.

The multi are nearly the same in PSC360, that's why the console need the 1st party system sellers.

What causes rage is the fact that MS think that we are stupid and without choice of buying the PS4...
 
I feel like Microsoft is just going to be Microsoft and call us entitled. I mean, just look at the Adam Orth fiasco. I mean, yeah, he got fired, but that doesn't necessarily mean his original tweet doesn't somewhat reflect the views of the company. It's not like this isn't a console that hasn't been in development for a very long time. They've obviously looked at the pros and cons and decided that this is the future of video games for Microsoft.
 
As long as the machine is priced competitively and has a great line up of games then it will be more then fine.

So no effect at all.
 
Probably not as much as there should be.

Halo fanboys will be climbing all over each other to buy an Xbox One as soon as anything involving that franchise hits the system, regardless of Microsoft's terrible priorities and policies.
 
border said:
And the only upside is that you don't have to change discs. The idiots they're aiming this console at only change discs twice a year anyway -- on the day Madden comes out, and then again on the day Call of Duty comes out.
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100% with you - I don't see what's so bad about doing a damn disc check. So much chaff on this idea it's ridiculous - so many hoops and steps.

I can't wait for the stories down the road:

"Developer: Microsoft gave us 1% of resale value, kept 99% for themselves"

Ludicrous to think this is going to somehow solve developer and publisher money woes. This system ensures one thing for me, I will wait longer than ever before to buy games and look for deals, and I buy a SHIT load of games per year.
 
Tiktaalik said:
I think the reality of the situation is that there is no real backlash.
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I disagree. Sure the backlash on GAF certainly is louder than most places, but it is hardly confined to GAF. Mainly mainstream news outlets (for the gaming industry) are giving Microsoft low marks for this press conference. Lets also no pretend this is intended for "the casual mainstream" at launch; they won't buy any console until its been on the market for years after multiple price cuts. If backlash for hardcore gamers (the people who will buy it when it releases) and/or the gaming media doesn't count as backlash (the only people watching the conference in the first place) then who does count?
 
Stumpokapow said:
You're not really comparing apples and apples. All of the companies nominated by the Consumerist were #1 or near-#1 in their fields. The point of the poll was to call attention to the abusive ways in which those companies took advantage of the captive audience they had because of their size and reach. In part the nominations were a reflection of the fact that customers were not going to abandon these companies because in many cases there's no easy substitution, and that's why it's even more important to put pressure on the companies, because the market isn't as capable of doing so.
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We're going to find out if PSN represents an easy substitution for XBLive. I don't believe it does.
 
XxHANNERxX said:
Correct. The backlash is here in GAF, not in the real world where they are pointing this device.
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for real. People on here need to take a step back from the internet.




gurudyne said:
Sony's stock surged 9% immediately following the reveal. Microsoft's dropped. Trend continued this morning. Clearly, there was some non-gamer backlash.
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This had nothing to do with microsoft. Sony announced some good financial news yesterday morning
 
AstroNut325 said:
None whatsoever. The marketing push for each console will determine the champion at launch and progressing onward.
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Marketing didn't save the Windows 8/Windows Surface/Zune/etc... MS will need to actually convince the people who would even consider buying it at launch its good and they won't do that via a commercial or advertisement. Do get my wrong, Sony is in the same boat... they have a lot riding on this E3.
 
None.

Its sad that for a hobby which we are so passionate about its the people who barely partake in it that get to decide the course of its future.
 
@majornelson 1 min
We are months away from the launch of #XboxOne & policy decisions are still being finalized. When they are, we will let you know.
 
This "Backlash" WILL have real consequences for Microsoft, it has already affected the Nintendo and Sony Stock price, most likely it will also be refflected on their own soon enough.

The reason why the reveal was designed like it was, is because it was aimed at general audience and specially satellite cable owners and distributors so they would consider the xbox one as a viable "cable box" solution. Also they tried to cover the "gaming" aspect by presenting the bestsellers Call of Duty and Madden as pseudo exclusives for the system. It was all a huge gamble by MS.

Unfortunately what MS failed to consider was that they actually need the console to be popular and a bestseller for those plans to work out. The show itself alienated their built fanbase and general gaming audience, if the backlash continues until winter. Sales could suffer greatly from that alone.

Unless cable companies actually subsidize the xbox one or the show actually captured the NFL/Sports fan audience attention. The reveal was a complete disaster and a waste of money at every level. ($500 million were expend in the NFL license alone!)

Also we are talking about a console, which needs to be online and cant use used games (or rentals) without a fee. It was already difficult to sale even before the conference went south.
 
A three week window of opportunity for a lot of agents and developers to do big money exclusive deals with MS in desperation mode.
 
Zyae said:
for real. People on here need to take a step back from the internet.






This had nothing to do with microsoft. Sony announced some good financial news yesterday morning
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That isn't entirely accurate. They haven't confirmed they are spinning off their entertainment division, it is at the moment just conjecture. Stocks don't go up double digits that easily. It's a part of it, but that conjecture was announced days prior to the conference in which the stock price could have easily climbed.

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Notice the hour the stock price climbed... Exactly while Microsoft was holding its conference.
 
Knux-Future said:
I know another omg the world is gonna end thread...

But I am curious does anyone think that the backlash will cause microsoft to change? Or sell less


Or will our cries amount to nothingness?

I think I have simply accepted the future but still I wonder if the bad press will amount to anything? I doubt it because the stuff they did show will probably sell really well to that market. Plus Sony might get forced to si the same if some are tp be believed.

Really interesting E3 coming up.... For all the wrong reasons
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Pretty much always the case with any kind of announce, premature speculation. The real discussion should be happening after E3 when MS and Sony drop their bombs.
 
Merged the two threads because they're both about the same thing, edited the thread title to be a mix of the two.

Please, please, please consider looking to see if there's another relevant thread before posting threads--especially if your thread is basically "This is an idea I had 45 seconds ago what do you think" rather than, like, news or whatever.
 
Vilix said:
Honestly? None. Like with the original Xbox, Microsoft is willing to put billions into this to convince mainstream consumers they need this. I think they'll be a few tweeks along the way. But, in the end, they'll succeed.
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Face it. Some people are able to recognize crap and avoid it. Other people are forced to surf the waves of crap. I fully expect XO to have some games that will make me ooh and ahh and wish I had one. But the rest of what is involved might just make me glad that I hadn't. The options that come with this investment are too closed up.

this ain't the fuckin Iphone, first gen. No one liked Apple locking down the market, and now look where we are. This can only be good news for the Ouya.
 
They knew what to expect from the whole Adam Orth debacle months ago.

Nobody likes DRM but it's something that people are forced to put up with.
 
I feel like I'm quickly going through the five stages of grief. I'm almost to acceptance. I'll have to wait to see how the third-party games compare before I get there though.
 
Tiktaalik said:
Only in hardcore video game echochamber.
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To be fair we've seen this situation before where individuals liked to pigeon-hole internet backlashes as simply being an internet, whiny minority thing, only to later realise that said whiny minority may have had an impact to the end result. Just look at what happened to DmC, or most of Capcom's fighters for that matter. While the internet is by no means reflective of reality, I still think at this point in time it's definitely a lot more relevant in terms of gauging a sort of consensus than most people give it credit for.
 
Once this system gets in the hands of non-gamers with a "oh, a new shiny tech toy" a la the Ellen's and GMA's of the NA world, then also if this system is adequately priced, will skyrocket sales. At least temporarily. GAF must really forget the power of marketing, which MS has here in the US in spades. That first big Ellen episode where she Skypes Oprah while watching O! network and Dancing with the Stars or some shit is going to put this thing in the mainstream which, ironically, is probably where MS looks to tap into. And if they also come up with a wireless plan with Verizon or T-Moble or whatever that can "ease" some of the "always connected" stuff...

Despite all the doom and gloom the "hardcore" sees, the bells and whistles is all the mainstream sees and realistically, is forced to see. I for one haven't missed a Forza yet, and to be honest, I don't plan on missing this one. I just wish it was at least a year later...
 
Not that much if what I saw at Best buy ~1 hour ago is what the population at large thinks.

Soccer Mom #1: Hey, look it's the new Wii
Soccer Mom #2: Cool, let's take a look (proceeds to check the controller and whatnot)
Soccer Mom #1: Gonna buy it for Jimmy this Fall?
Soccer Mom #2: No, I think we'll go with the new Xbox

Both moms had kids in strollers, I take it they had other kids to be this informed, but the Xbox mindshare in America is damn significant.
 
The backlash is not restricted to GAF. At the very least, similar reactions are happening in other core driven communities.

My impression is that the Xbone is very flexible software-wise. I could see the backlash causing M$ to revise the need for the console to be online at least once per day. Like increase the limit to a week.
 
Ushae said:
Yes really. Tech sites love the device, general news sites are applauding it .. It's us gamers that are unhappy, E3 can't come soon enough.
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Really? Where? What are they applauding? What makes this console appealing and to whom? What's the concept, the thought behind it, besindes shoving MS software in consumers households?
 
I have had many people today come up to me today at work.. I would classify them as either non gamers or casual gamers or Madden + Cod gamers.. ages 20-55 knowing I am into gaming and say how cool it looks.

MS may know what they are doing but their target market certainly is not Gaf.

Thrakier said:
Really? Where? What are they applauding? What makes this console appealing and to whom? What's the concept, the thought behind it, besindes shoving MS software in consumers households?
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Last night driving home i Heard a DJ talking about how cool it looks.. got home and the local news on 3 stations highlighted it and only talked about how its the next Xbox and super powerful. The general public will eat up what MS is cooking.
 
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