Shouta
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Did you understand what I typed? I'm saying that most people aren't mad about delays, they're mad that the status not being communicated properly.
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Did you understand what I typed? I'm saying that most people aren't mad about delays, they're mad that the status not being communicated properly.
SpaceDrake also introduced us to Sara. And let me tell you, we would not have *any* games on Steam right now if we didn't know Sara. She's a wizard.
-Tom
giga-ganon
Banned
well i'm glad that this happened, i really prefere to play on my big screen tv than on a portable console (but i don't mind it if i have no other choice), so thank you for these ports, i'm gonna finish FC now, can't wait for SC to come!
I know that this is not the main focus here, but did you already planned something for YS 8 on ps4 and vita?
Disgaeamad
Member
I think you need to understand what you're saying yourself. XSEED have stated multiple times that the game will be released, this has been a known fact for ages now. You want to know why the game was delayed? Now we know: it was all down to SpaceDrake. You want to know when the game is coming? When he does his work that he's probably already been paid for instead of spending entire days messing about on twitter.
XSEED had two options here: sit back and remain quiet in the hopes that SpaceDrake would admit to this while taking all the crap flung at them, or publically blame SpaceDrake for it and then suffer from cries of unprofessionalism from his rabid fans who think he's the Lord and Saviour of localisations. They chose the former, yet somehow people like you STILL choose to blame them instead of the person actually responsible.
It's way too early to say, but... I mean, come on, it's Ys! All Falcom has to do is say the word and our ears perk up like those of a chihuahua.
-Tom
John Kowalski
Banned
Well i for one am extremely glad to see XSEED publish on Steam, if only because of the hilarious achievement logos.
Other than the no drawing Tarf thing, but that's... understandable.
Other than the no drawing Tarf thing, but that's... understandable.
Shouta
Member
giga-ganon
Banned
It's way too early to say, but... I mean, come on, it's Ys! All Falcom has to do is say the word and our ears perk up like those of a chihuahua.
-Tom
haha, i'm sure you'll end up releasing it here in the end! The collector from YS celceta was awesome! Hope we don't wait too much, forcing yourself to not listen to new YS music when it's already out in japan is really painfull,
Disgaeamad
Member
I'm not even sure who you're mad at. It certainly isn't Disgaea though.
I can hear the sphincter shattering symphony from here m80.
Dragon1893
Member
Anger is such a strong word but there are indeed some pretty unfortunate posts in this thread.
I'm sure you had your reasons, sometimes things just go beyond our ability to control them.
Make no mistake though, most of the community is with you, Tom, Sara and all the others every step of the way.
Considering that 1 year ago we were resigned to the fact that we would never see the game in english, complaining about a few months delay is petty indeed.
Like some people complaining that Yakuza 5 is digital only...
Keep up the good work guys, we'll be celebrating the release of SC
and talking about stuff that needs to be fixed
outunderthestars
Banned
So much this! XSEED is a small company of wonderful people. I love how people are throwing around words like "clearly" when the only thing that is "clear" is that they have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.
That said, how about a nice Trails in the Sky Steam sale?
That said, how about a nice Trails in the Sky Steam sale?
It was just 50% off in the recent GOG sale. So I'd say it's pretty likely to be part of the upcoming Steam sale.
outunderthestars
Banned
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
On the issue of communication, I guess I never felt bothered because was I in the right place at the right time - that is, on XSEED's forums where Tom was practically giving weekly re-confirmations that "yeah, we're still working on the game, we just don't have any significant updates to report." There have been multiple topics on the matter on their forums and, when combined, it probably makes up more of the total posts there than any other individual game/topic.
That kind of thing almost never spread beyond their own forums and maybe a handful of Twitter/Facebook responses though, so a lot of people made a lot of incorrect assumptions about it being canned, or that they were refusing to communicate anything, or whatever.
So... I dunno where I'm going with this. I'm not sure there is any use in being more proactive in a situation like that and actively looking for disgruntled people to calm down and reassure, that's not really a wise use of time. And certainly, this isn't the only place where people were upset because they weren't getting that regular communication. And it doesn't really make sense to provide regular "official" updates of no significance, i.e., we're still working on it but have nothing else to report.
Hopefully, if the series continues in English, games won't take as long for a few different reasons and it won't be an issue at all. But it's not likely they would come out in typical localization timeframes regardless (a year, give or take) so maybe giving some updates at certain milestones might help? I'm not really sure what those milestones would be though.
That kind of thing almost never spread beyond their own forums and maybe a handful of Twitter/Facebook responses though, so a lot of people made a lot of incorrect assumptions about it being canned, or that they were refusing to communicate anything, or whatever.
So... I dunno where I'm going with this. I'm not sure there is any use in being more proactive in a situation like that and actively looking for disgruntled people to calm down and reassure, that's not really a wise use of time. And certainly, this isn't the only place where people were upset because they weren't getting that regular communication. And it doesn't really make sense to provide regular "official" updates of no significance, i.e., we're still working on it but have nothing else to report.
Hopefully, if the series continues in English, games won't take as long for a few different reasons and it won't be an issue at all. But it's not likely they would come out in typical localization timeframes regardless (a year, give or take) so maybe giving some updates at certain milestones might help? I'm not really sure what those milestones would be though.
It's way too early to say, but... I mean, come on, it's Ys! All Falcom has to do is say the word and our ears perk up like those of a chihuahua.
-Tom
"Ys! Ys! Nayuta no Kiseki! Ys!"
sturgboski
Member
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
If only. At least it looks like there has been steady progress on the fan translation.
I actually kind of wonder if XSEED is going to release Ys vs Sora no Kiseki along with SC though. I got the impression that the only reason they didn't release it was because it spoils SC stuff, so it wouldn't make much sense to release that in English before SC itself. It's not the best game ever or anything, but it's pretty fun and probably something that fans of the two series would pick up (especially Ys fans, since it's basically head-to-head multiplayer Ys).
Pretty please on a PSN sale
If they discount FC on Psn I might triple dip on it just so I can play it on my vita since I already own a physical psp copy and the steam version
pancakesandsex
Member
I'll bite.
When the partnership was announced, the entire trilogy of trails games was announced along with the 3 Ys games, all for psp only. http://www.xseedgames.com/news.php?id=107 , but it's an ongoing partnership, and has only expanded to include additional titles in Falcom's library. Since no one else has released any newly localized Falcom games other than Xseed since then (Gurumin PC was most likely a result of mastiff having published the game on psp prior to the partnership, and was not a new localization), it can be implied that Xseed is currently the gatekeeper to all things Falcom.
The world in which platform obsolescence was not an issue would have been the same world where psp wasn't the only platform pursued from the outset. PC should have been on the table from the start, and pursued proactively, at the onset of the partnership, not reactively. I was shocked at the time of announcement that this wasn't the case. PS3 versions should have been actively pursued and discussed as soon as they were a twinkle in Kondo's eye, perhaps something could have been done about the no trophy issue had it been pursued early enough.
Maybe's and what-if's aside though, all available options weren't pursued from the get-go, and they weren't pursued after the fact until very late in the game. That's mishandling.
I'm ecstatic that the pc version is being pursued now, and for other Falcom titles, but I'm incredibly unhappy (and I can't imagine that Falcom is all that pleased either) at the path taken to get to that point, and the amount of time it's taken to get there, and the idea that the series' future beyond the second installment is still in question even now.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I think Xseed has the right of first refusal, but Ken has said in an interview that other companies are welcome to try to tackle the series. The fact of the matter is no one else is going to touch it, that's why they didn't in the years before it got picked up.
Falcom also doesn't communicate all their plans to XSEED. I think there have been one or two times Tom has said they knew about something, and even in the one case I recall they didn't have all the details (PS4 Ys, they knew about it but not the Vita version). I wouldn't be surprised at all if XSEED didn't know about the PS3 Trails ports until we did.
I'd write more but I'm on my phone.
What you're forgetting pancakesandsex is at the time they announced the Psp version of FC that getting a Japanese developer to allow the game to be localized for english releases on steam was all but impossible since they did not believe there was a big enough audience to be worth the trouble for niche type stuff.
It wasn't until Carpe Fulgur came along and managed to pull off releasing Recettear that things started turning around and even now with market conditions improving it's amazing we're getting these games at all.
It wasn't until Carpe Fulgur came along and managed to pull off releasing Recettear that things started turning around and even now with market conditions improving it's amazing we're getting these games at all.
Not really. Of the SRTs to get fan translated to any degree of completion, only SRT1 really seemed to get out in any "sensible" time. Even SRT2 took a while, and that isn't a large game, either.
Also, folks need to remember this isn't Sara's only project. She's pretty busy these days. Wizards only get so many spells per day. ^_^
XSEED does more than one game, and I know this year she had at least one non-XSEED project as well.
We're not. We wish we were, but we're totally not!
Actually, it was. In fact, our relationship with Falcom evidently began with the idea of publishing their PC titles here -- but they had no PC programmers available for localization support at the time and the PC market for JRPGs here wasn't particularly good, so that didn't pan out for quite a while.
Remember, it's never safe to assume that just because we didn't accomplish something, we didn't TRY to accomplish that thing. There are a LOT of things we've tried to do over the years that just didn't pan out, despite our best efforts. In the case of publishing PC titles domestically for Falcom, that was just one fortunate case where persistence DID pay off, and we eventually succeeded -- it just took many, many years of negotiation and a lot of stars aligning just right.
The PS3 versions have been pursued since day one, and we continue to pursue them.
Again, this all goes back to the "just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean we haven't tried/been trying" thing.
Once again, just to reiterate: yes, they were. Pursuing and catching are two different things -- we've been pursuing for a very, very long time.
Actually, our relationship with Falcom is very strong, and they seem quite pleased with how we've been handling their franchises. I maintain a previous claim I made that we've been more successful with Falcom titles in English than any other third-party publisher since Hudson in the early '90s -- and we may even be giving them a run for their money!
And I say this not as an XSEED employee, but as a die-hard Falcom fanboy who's literally spent several thousands of dollars in Falcom's online shop alone over the last 10 years. I couldn't be happier with the production output from our partnership with Falcom, and am absolutely thrilled to have had the opportunity to be a part of it, and to continue to be a part of it moving forward.
-Tom
<nods and fistbumps>
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Strange to see this argument rolling and now Akiba's Trip coming to PC on Steam...must have been a good day at the office!
Akiba's Trip is just porting though.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
Just a fun coincidence, that's all. Maybe Acquire's handling the port or XSEED's handed that off to someone else, we'll hear more about the port's development in due time.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
That was something that had already happened, it won't have any impact on the game going forward. The translation is done at this point, and editing probably done or close since they were about to enter QA.
As far as Mr. Dice's wellbeing goes, that's something for him to respond to.
chrominance
Member
Just read SpaceDrake's blog post.
SpaceDrake, take care of yourself, man. I know me saying anything won't necessarily convince you, but you're no failure, no matter what happens with SC or Carpe Fulgur or whatever. Best of luck to you, and I hope you're getting the help you need.
SpaceDrake, take care of yourself, man. I know me saying anything won't necessarily convince you, but you're no failure, no matter what happens with SC or Carpe Fulgur or whatever. Best of luck to you, and I hope you're getting the help you need.
Dragoon En Regalia
Member
SpaceDrake, I don't hold anything against you for the inadvertent delay. Sorting out health problems takes precedence even if one game takes a little while longer to be localized. It just means all the projects you'll work on after this will progress and complete more smoothly than ever! Keep up your great presence in the digital-distribution localization community, Andrew.
Depression strikes once again. I hope Andrew will be able to overcome those one day - it's such a terrible thing that can ruin your life and your enjoyment of life for no reason at all.
This question might sound insensible, but I'd be lying I said that I'm not curious. Is 3rd - or any other Trails - still on the cards for you, SpaceDrake? Or did you come to the conclusion that the Trails games are just too insane for you? It seems that the high amount of work involved with SC's localization is at least partly responsible for what happened in March.
(This is regardless of whether or not XSEED is still willing to work together with CF on future projects.)
This question might sound insensible, but I'd be lying I said that I'm not curious. Is 3rd - or any other Trails - still on the cards for you, SpaceDrake? Or did you come to the conclusion that the Trails games are just too insane for you? It seems that the high amount of work involved with SC's localization is at least partly responsible for what happened in March.
(This is regardless of whether or not XSEED is still willing to work together with CF on future projects.)
donutzsick
Member
Just read the blog. I'm glad he talked about this with the public. Honestly, I can't even imagine what he went through.. I'm just glad Robin got there in time.
I really enjoyed recettear and i will enjoy SC and both wouldn't have happened without Andrew despite whatever delays might have happened. If Andrew reads this, I want him to know he hasn't failed me and never will as long as he keeps working hard, and not giving up.
I really enjoyed recettear and i will enjoy SC and both wouldn't have happened without Andrew despite whatever delays might have happened. If Andrew reads this, I want him to know he hasn't failed me and never will as long as he keeps working hard, and not giving up.
SpaceDrake
Member
The workload was in part responsible. Speaking just for myself, while I'd want to work on several other things first and get myself a little more in order before diving back in, I would be willing to work on another Trails game if XSEED, or anyone else, continues the franchise past SC. But the structure of the project would have to be different, for multiple reasons - not just avoiding any "problems" on my end, but working on SC in general made it clear just how labor on a project like this has to be divided up if you want it done in a timely manner, or perhaps at all. I always knew it was "crazy", but it's clear now that attempting to have Robin and I tackle the entire game by ourselves, even if given infinite time, was far more foolish than I first thought (and I'm the one who proposed it!)
SC's been a hell of a lesson in project and personal management, is the short of it.
UberTag
Member
I wouldn't wish a localization as daunting as Trails SC on a team of a dozen people let alone just two (no matter how skilled).
I'm sure there are diehard enthusiasts for these games who could be leveraged for translation help and/or additional funding for labor assistance.
It's certainly not worth burning anyone out to that extent. I'm not sure any game is.
That being said, I'm grateful for the time you guys have put it and glad that the heavy lifting on SC has now been completed.
I'm sure there are diehard enthusiasts for these games who could be leveraged for translation help and/or additional funding for labor assistance.
It's certainly not worth burning anyone out to that extent. I'm not sure any game is.
That being said, I'm grateful for the time you guys have put it and glad that the heavy lifting on SC has now been completed.
Chie Satonaka
Member
Oh shit.
Looks like I need to get back on my second playthrough of the first game.
Looks like I need to get back on my second playthrough of the first game.
Now just five more years for programming and testing!
Palette Swap
Member
I restarted FC last week, that's a sign.
Here's to hoping the EU PSP version comes quickly as playing a digital import title is a pain in the ass on Vita.
Here's to hoping the EU PSP version comes quickly as playing a digital import title is a pain in the ass on Vita.
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
IT'S HAPPENING!
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Steady...steady now...don't fire the hype till you see the whites of their eyes...
BassForever
Member
Oh god I want to post HAPPENING gifs so badly, PLEASE XSEED