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Your expectations from next-next-generation of consoles

Your expectations from next-next-generation of consoles #1

Through the roof. Really. It's gonna be in a while, but it should be awesome. I won't bother with a long write-up, I just think that all companies will try to combine both qualities of this generation, cutting-edge technology and innovation.

I'm afraid it's going to be very expensive though.
 
My expectation from next gen is more the hope that we don't see next gen for a long time. I'm fine with the 3 machines we have now, and hope that the coming emphasis is more on continual improvement of the services and software on these machines and not new hardware transitions..
 
AniHawk said:
That would be suicide. They need to at least rebrand/reimage the thing because right now it's viewed as a failure, and by 2011, it'll be viewed as a five year old failure. In addition to that, the PS3 is this giant ugly thing, versus what the competiton will probably try to be (small and inviting).

A $299 slim with Killzone 2 in February would sell like Wiiiiiiiii I tellz ya.
 
templeusox said:
I could not disagree more. This only makes sense if the problem with the PS3 is the hardware, not the pricing. Unless the PS3 stands to get more expensive to produce, which it won't, it behooves Sony to stick with the PS3 and follow through on their long-range plan. Bring it down to $299 by the end of this year and $199 by sometime in 2011. Then, when XBOX720 and the next Wii come out, Sony will be viewed as the economic alternative with a built-in library of great games, Blu-Ray, etc.

There are several problems assuming that the PS3 will become a huge bargain once it hits a certain price. The problem is neither price nor hardware. Software is the main problem of all the losing consoles. They simply don't have appealing software (and they often lack exclusivity on any appealing software they may have in their lineup).

In the past, we've seen hardware sales of losing consoles continue to decrease despite whatever price cuts they have. Most consumers purchase one console and would rather continue purchase more software for their system of choice rather than purchase a new system (which usually doesn't have any exclusive software they want; this losing system also has stigma on it).

Consumers (if they aren't already committed to the Wii) could potentially purchase the 360 (which shares a substantial amount of the PS3's software library; it is practically the same lineup in the eyes of most consumers) and a Blu-Ray player (assuming if they are interested in it) for the same price of that of a PS3. We'll likely see this continue or get worse for the PS3 in the future as the price wars continue.

It isn't like any console manufacturer wants to make a new console (which costs an absolute fortune in R&D and marketing). They look at the numbers and the trends and see that it is better to cut their losses and make a new console. Riding out an old console (especially a console that is losing) is money and manpower that could go into developing for their next console or rebuilding their image.
 
Cheesemeister said:
The 360 will be 5 years old next year. Surely the 720 is right around the corner. I'm surprised we haven't had an official announcement for any of the next systems yet.

Given the economic situation and the fact that MS is starting to really gain ground as of late, I see no reason for this to happen. This will be a quality gen in terms of length imo.

I'm not quite sure what to expect from next gen. Simply copying waggle...I don't really see it. The wiimote is a great success, but its not guaranteed future success. What will be more important will be bringing fresh and attractive ideas to the market matched with a quality price point. The media is concerned with presenting one of the big 3 with all the media buzz they can muster. In order for that to happen you'll have to give them a reason to. Which of the Big 3 can get that "fresh" quality to it that makes the media swoon and as a result brings in a flood of casuals?

I'd expect MS and Sony to be largely concerned with price while at the same time maintaining a sizable upgrade in technology while having that process be as inexpensive as possible. Not the best video card available on the market at the time of release, but the best video card available say 6 months to a year from now. A decent CPU upgrade but for the most part most of the dollars going into going absolutely nuts on memory while being relative inexpensive. Harddrive space...120 gig default and not a drop more than that.
 
-viper- said:
(1920x1080 for all games is a little unrealistic. We have many sub HD at the moment!).
Not really.

It only seems hard because consoles are so old. Many PCs can play most games at that resolution (except for, you know, the obvious games.) Some ppl even do the next highest resolution which I can't remember since my monitor only goes up to 1920x1200

By the time the next consoles come out, I don't think 1920x1080 will be difficult to achieve.
 
Cheesemeister said:
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Is that a new Elijah Wood movie?
 
Dark FaZe said:
Given the economic situation and the fact that MS is starting to really gain ground as of late, I see no reason for this to happen. This will be a quality gen in terms of length imo.


I feel the same way to some extent, but I can also see MS wanting to keep the 'first release' advantage.

Their out? Forwards compatibility... if they stick to it.

Sony is going to release a console that's nearly profitable from the start and I doubt they want to give MS a head start again.
 
All I expect is a much better graphics solution.

PC graphic cards are at a point where they are complete and utter overkill. Nvidia is already onto the GTX 295, when the old 9800GTX can still play EVERYTHING. The GTX 260 and 280 won't need upgrading for years to come.

With the prices of PC-type components falling, while graphic solutions and chips become so powerful no normal human can possibly use it to its full potential (outside of hard-core job use).

Here is what I want for the Xbox 720 in terms of add-ons and minor details.

- Wireless HDMI. The technology is perfected, just waiting on the two companies arguing over it to STFU.

- Easily upgradeable HDD.

- Blu Ray

- Inter connectivity with social media sites. I want to be able to link my twitter and XBL together for example, and if I am playing a game, a little box could pop up if someone sent out a message on twitter. Obviously this depends on what sites are popular at the time.

- Web Browser.

- USB (obviously the new iteration), that recognizes most of my USB devices. I want to be able to connect my digital camera and upload the pictures onto my xbox. I want to be able to plug in my own USB headset to use with Xbox Live etc..
 
Narcosis said:
My expectation from next gen is more the hope that we don't see next gen for a long time. I'm fine with the 3 machines we have now, and hope that the coming emphasis is more on continual improvement of the services and software on these machines and not new hardware transitions..

QFT

I really can't see how the next-generation of gaming consoles could be profitable. With the Wii leading the sales, it's quite obvious that the consumers aren't ready for super HD-3D consoles at the moment. Blu-ray isn't selling that much even though HDTVs are selling quite well.

It's quite confusing why HDTV buyers are opting for a Wii as their console but hey, who am I to complain? I'm not ready to buy a PS4 and wait for the PS5 to play the next Final Fantasy because development time for these consoles went up the roof.

Get me my trilogy of FF games this gen and then we'll move on. :lol
 
I expect 100% of my digitally purchased games to 100% backwards compatible with 100% functionality. None of this no guide during xboxoriginals nonsense.

Anything less is unacceptable.
 
Dark FaZe said:
I'm not quite sure what to expect from next gen. Simply copying waggle...I don't really see it. The wiimote is a great success, but its not guaranteed future success.

This is fair, but the thing is the Wiimote obsoleted the dual analog controller in the market.

Sony and MS do not have to copy it, but certainly they can't keep their current controllers for the next gen.
 
Microsoft: I expect a generational leap in graphics but at an extremely cheap price, perhaps some kind of motion control included too. In short, a "incremental" evolution.

Nintendo: I expect the unexpected. Wiimote will probably be kept, but they will keep disrupting theirselves.

Sony: I really do not know what to expect. They need to do something different and spectacular to recover theirselves, but I am not sure if Sony's corporate structure would allow a too much radical approach in designing their console.
 
ElFly said:
This is fair, but the thing is the Wiimote obsoleted the dual analog controller in the market.

Sony and MS do not have to copy it, but certainly they can't keep their current controllers for the next gen.

Controls will get an upgrade of course, but the Wii isn't just a simple device change. Games have to be designed to take advantage of them, and having multiple variations of controllers is going to create an incredible headache for developers.

I just don't think its plausible to be honest. It would fracture the industry and perhaps force a console exclusivity mindset for devs, which they've been less interested in doing this gen due to the cost of development and possible gains made.
 
All
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Free online
More digital distribution
Less emphasis on graphics
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Wii 2
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360-quality graphics
Organize a group to analyze the quality of games - a real Nintendo Seal of Quality
Fuck friend codes, use gamertags
Cordless nunchuck (it's a problem for me waving it around)
Stop casualizing Zelda - give us difficulty modes
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720
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More KB/M support (I wish this was a standard for next-gen) for FPS/RTSs - it's the reason I never play on it
Free themes, or at the least, fucking previews
Age-restricted servers
Dedicated servers
 
as i get older time moves slower. to me, it feels like the 360 and ps3 were launched like a year ago even though i know its getting close to 4 yrs and 3 yrs. cant believe we're already talking about next gen. i havent even gotten to play this gens final fantasy yet...
 
cruets said:
as i get older time moves slower. to me, it feels like the 360 and ps3 were launched like a year ago even though i know its getting close to 4 yrs and 3 yrs. cant believe we're already talking about next gen. i havent even gotten to play this gens final fantasy yet...

no kidding. no FF no GT5 yet and we are talking about next gen already. Really weird cycle this time around.
 
ElFly said:
This is fair, but the thing is the Wiimote obsoleted the dual analog controller in the market.

Sony and MS do not have to copy it, but certainly they can't keep their current controllers for the next gen.

If they don't find some kind of middle ground, they will alienate their core fanbase.

They will most likely build a controller that can do both, i.e. Sony's break-apart controller patent.
 
AniHawk said:
Nintendo will probably increase the graphical power of the system just so they don't get totally left in the dust by cell phones.
there is no fear from cell phones to the handheld gaming market because no general device that has a side feature could beat a specialized deviced built for that specific feature (gaming in this case). case in point; why PSP never tried to be a cell-phone and why N-Gage failed (the latter had everything going for it's failure, but still). the reason why I say this is because cell phones have 1001 standards and specs. they are worse than the PC market in that regard. that is one of the biggest challenges for mobile game publishers; unlike with dedicated handhelds, they can't just release a game where people will buy and play. they will have to alienate parts of the market. you may argue that PC does this, but as I said; PC does this at a much smaller scale than cell phones.
this is what iPhone has going for it; being such a major device, it can afford to have it's own market with its own online store. publishers can focus on it, but still, that doesn't mean iPhone will succeed as being a gaming handheld option. I don't think any cell phone will. perhaps the closest it will get is having a gaming handheld with cell-phone features. maybe.

PSP2
what to look for next generation will be handhelds. I read somewhere that the next generation of PSP has been announced and publishers are already working on games for it. seeing that Sony has a PSP 4000 model coming out this year, we can safely presume PSP2 (tentative name) won't be released this year. but I say it will in 2010 or 2011 for certain. obviously, just like with main PS consoles, the PSP2 will be a continuation towards Sony's vision of a portable multi-media device.
As for the hardware, although STI has a road map for a mini-Cell with just one core and 2 SPEs, it seems such a small Cell will not be ready. there are rumors that they will go with a new generation of a current CPU portable devices solution. it will have an nVidia graphics solution (due to Sony's partnership with them). and finally, it WILL have another analogue nub.
other than a missing analogue nub and using optical media, the PSP's design is perfect for an affordable capable multimedia system. of course, thanks to digital distribution and online stores, every main handheld gaming device will have a HDD. PSP2 will have hard game copies on cards rather than on battery-draining optical discs. from all the new system coming out, I will be dying to see how Sony redesigns their next major gaming handheld. I think they will not offer b/c, and instead pave the way for it from PSP2 onward (just like how PS4 will have full b/c with PS3).

Nintendo Handheld:
just like with the DS and previous main handheld releases, Ninty won't bother with a new generation until a real competitor is looming. that makes perfect business sense after all. they will keep releasing redesigns of the current device to boost sales till that day comes. when it does, they will go with what gave them success this time; affordability. of course, successful features will carry on like touch screen and what not. also, I think it is obvious that all major handheld gaming devices from now on will have a touch screen, motion sensors and online stores.

I predict Ninty's next handheld will role out exactly the same way as how the current handhelds came out: Sony will announced a new, much advanced hardware. Ninty keeping mum, later announcing their answer and finally releasing within months before PSP2 releases being about 40% cheaper.


Ninendo's next console:
just like with their recent handheld stratigy, they will continue with being the most affordable. this is an exceptional advantage as we see Wii selling even without big game releases. also, they have the most to risk. obviously, they will drag the Wii for as long as they can. but having a 'new generation' of systems out is a threat to a current system regardless of how successful or how real that threat could end up being. it is a gamble that only a fool will sit it out and see how it goes. my guess is that they already have plans of what to make and are just waiting for the right time to release it (with updates specs accordingly to how long they are waiting). they definitely won't be the first to release. they could even be the last by a few months if they wish as they will have price on their side. I expect them to release between PS4 and Xbox3 just so they could have the maximum disruption effect for the other two.
I do think that Ninty will flounder in the next generation due to greed and the competition being more street smart now- especially Sony. I don't expect them to start losing money, but I do see them as having a more humble position in the industry in terms of installment and publisher support just like they did before Wii and DS. they will still make a profit due to their unique strategy (like selling hardware at a profit from the get go).
till the time they feel the NEED to release their next console, Wii will keep getting revisions just like what the DS is going through. in fact, it already started as we can see with the controller.

Xbox3:
MS is finally getting it right. if they just nailed the hardware issue for the 360, they would have the perfect system this gen. they are doing very well up till now. I am not seeing major titles for this year, but that might change.
they will release Xbox 3 as soon as PS4's launch threat becomes real. they WILL come out before PS4 at all cost (just like what they did with 360). they WILL have reliable hardware design and great multimedia services (both online and offline) as MS's console strategy isn't that much different from Sony's.
MS will also do what they do best; wait and respond. seeing that Sony WILL introduce new ideas and takes. their hardware will be simply picked later. it will be just like their first two consoles; 'off the shelf PC parts' to some degree. they have the most flexibility when it comes to their hardware component choices as Sony is under contracts and long term plans with their CPU and GPU while Ninty will try to build up on Gamecube to Wii to their next system to be able to keep their affordability advantage. peripherals are a lucrative part of the industry and so MS will continue offering propriety accessories like their HDD, headset, keyboard, etc. also, Live will still be priced.


PS4:
the restructuring of Sony and the birthing pains of PS3 is what will pave the way to success for PS4. it WILL not cost more than $400 to buy. it WILL have a Cell based CPU (8 cores at least) and it WILL have an nVidia GPU (seeing that they have a long term partnership with nVidia.
PS4 will have a robust digital entertainment network (as will Xbox 3). the biggest thing that could limit how successful PS4 will be is how much Sony can afford to spend on it as they are and will face financial difficulties more than the competition due to many obvious reasons. I also have a strong feeling that Sony will partner with someone on PS4. it may be another CE company similar to them or a more software based company. but I don't think they can afford to go make PS4 what they planned it to be already and certainly not with the punishment PS3 has brought them without partnership assistance. this could be a major partnership or it could be some companies having a bigger stake of PS4 just like Blu-Ray for example.
PS4 will be fully compatible with PS3 and publishers could even use existing PS3 tools with slight modification on it. of course, these tools will need to be updates to take advantage of the new capabilities and power of the system, but that shows how compatible the hardware and software is between PS3 and PS4. and of course, HDD will be standard starting from 120GB. Sony will continue their 'open' approach with their accessories just like what they are doing currently with PS3.

also, I expect a lot of SCEWWS teams merging or closing down. Sony will divide the networks support between their other divisions entirely. for example, Sony Pictures will completely be responsible and handle PSN's TV and movie service and their music arm will completely handle PSN's music section. profits and losses in each main segment (gaming, music, video) will be the loss or gain of each division respectively. to users, the service will seem continuous and ubiquitous.
 
Well, neither the PS3 or the 360 can have games in 1080p. The 360 can't really do it. The PS3 barely can with sacrifices. I think we will see a more collaboration with the CPU and GPU for graphics at 1080p. All games will be 1080p.

But honestly, I don't think there will be a huge graphical leap. It'll be the subtle stuff like physics and how it reacts to your commands. ie water, leaves, etc...
 
I think MS will call the next box Xbox Live HD or some such thing. They will have much larger storage options and all games will be available through digital download on street date, perhaps even at a lower price or with exclusive pre-order bonuses (Free Live Gold account for 3 months?). They will push for further partners, inluding youtube and facebook partnerships and further netflix integration. More net services will clamor to have some inclusion with the new systems OS and MS will be happy to oblige.

I would expect something still based around the power pc architecture and most likely another Ati based graphics option. At least 2 gb of dedicated RAM and it will still be DVD based, IMO, unless BluRay's price position basically makes it too attractive to avoid.

They will have a motion controller that basically looks like a current reworked 360 controller split in two, accomodating the hardcore while appealing to new development and the Wii craze of family friendly innovation. I look for MS to make a major acquisition in the next 12-16 months. EA? Valve? Someone to help bolster their position in a big way as they continue to "streamline" their own in house development. The sagging economy and the games divisions current profitable ways will make this purchase a possibility with investors.

The next console will not be orders of magnitude more powerful than the 360. But it will sport a very different look and be priced at or around the Wii's launch price (sub $300).

Street date? November 2011.

Write it down.

It will also be 100% backwards compatible and a smaller, reworked 360 will still be available at least three years into the next systems product cycle.
 
AniHawk said:
Worst thing would be pricing themselves out of the market and basically hand the rest of it to Nintendo.

Wouldn't either situation have pretty much the same result? I doubt if any of Nintendo's casual market would pick up a MS or Sony "wii" instead of the new Nintendo machine, and I am sure it would turn off a very large segment of both MS and Sony's current customer base.

I don't want to see anything cheaper than $299 from either company at the beginning of the next go around.
 
snatches said:
It will also be 100% backwards compatible and a smaller, reworked 360 will still be available at least three years into the next systems product cycle.


Any chance of framerate, AA/AF improvements along with the bc?
 
There hasn't been a revolution in art asset creation. Making art assets for 720p, much less 1080p takes a hell of a long time. As Nintendo said, graphics have reached a plateau, and judging by the Wii, people don't care about HD. Most people are satisfied with DVD quality.

So, I see the Wii lasting for a long, long time, just like the DS. The 360/PS3 will die off since developers will have to switch to Wii development due to the recession and the amount of sales needed to break even and Sony/Microsoft will have to copy Nintendo, even downscale their technologies to compete.

I foresee the Wii outselling the PS2 and reaching over 70% marketshare, while Sony and Microsoft scramble for scraps.

Nobody is launching anytime soon. It would be economic suicide for Sony and Microsoft to do so. Nintendo has locked-down the handheld market and they're well on their way to lock-down the console market.
 
lubczyk said:
There hasn't been a revolution in art asset creation. Making art assets for 720p, much less 1080p takes a hell of a long time. As Nintendo said, graphics have reached a plateau, and judging by the Wii, people don't care about HD. Most people are satisfied with DVD quality.

So, I see the Wii lasting for a long, long time, just like the DS. The 360/PS3 will die off since developers will have to switch to Wii development due to the recession and the amount of sales needed to break even and Sony/Microsoft will have to copy Nintendo, even downscale their technologies to compete.

I foresee the Wii outselling the PS2 and reaching over 70% marketshare, while Sony and Microsoft scramble for scraps.

Nobody is launching anytime soon. It would be economic suicide for Sony and Microsoft to do so. Nintendo has locked-down the handheld market and they're well on their way to lock-down the console market.


:lol You're joking, right?
 
Sony/MS continue to push technology envelope. Ninty continues to pave their own market. Videogame market continues to expand. Wii owners likely to upgrade to Wii HD and PS3/360 when prices come down enough.

PS3/360 to continue well into 2012-13 via slimline.

PS4/720 debut no earlier than Spring 2012. Wii HD will depend on how much Wii can sell. If it keeps selling, no point in releasing Wii HD early.

PS4: souped up PS3, BC, smaller footprint, 150gb hdd, 1 SKU $399 launch price, integrated online service launches

720: souped up 360, BC, BD drive, smaller footprint, 120gb hdd, 2 SKUs $299 and 399 launch prices, Live Plus launches with system
 
i'm not going into hardware since we have no idea when next gen will start, i only hope microsoft and sony stick with 'traditional' consoles. Wii is nice, but there's so much classic gaming still has to offer.
I expect similar pads; dual sticks, four face buttons, four shoulder buttons is probably the best compromise between functionality and ergonomics we can get: motion sensor is a nice plus; i don't see what else next gen joypads could offer, maybe some kind of small central display, not unlike dreamcasts, but smaller and colour.
Blu ray is an obvious choice.
250GB HDD at least.
On the graphics side

1080p will be standard and i surely hope we're getting 8x anti alias in most games,with 4x being the minimum requirement. Seriously, i better not see any aliasing next gen, in fact i've always thought they should have gotten rid of aliasing BEFORE going hd.
Occlusion. Occlusion mapping should be everywhere ! And Lights bouncing off surfaces. Shadows being casted dynamically is something i thought would become standard after Severance (that was 10 years ago) it still hasn't.
Physics; seeing how long my quad core takes to calculate complex cloth and water physics (when it doesn't crash trying) i somehow doubt we'll see huge improvements. Yeah stuff like Crysis physics are to be expected, but i doubt we'll get much more than that.

Features:
The only thing i'd really like to see introduced next gen is a screen calibration option in the dashboard. You will need to calibrate your console once and all games should behave accordingly; that way you can be sure you're seeing games the way devs meant them.
 
DarkJediKnight said:
I don't think there will be a huge graphical leap. It'll be the subtle stuff like physics and how it reacts to your commands. ie water, leaves, etc...
it boggles my mind that some could thing this. Wii is not and will not be the norm. Ninty went for a cheap price tag. that is what makes Wii look like last gen.

for those who can't see the graphics getting leaps and bounds better, imagine what PC games will look like in 3 years. by then, Crysis won't be a looker and many will be able to runn it at absolutely the fullest specs.
consoles, aside from Ninty's, will have a graphical leap even if they went by the cheap road and just updated the same exact components with that time's specs (like what is Wii to Gamecube only at a much larger, non-cheap scale.
 
I expect Sony and MS to utilize IR pointing or even make the the PS3 camera to become a pack and utilizing that for motion controls. Graphical advances will be minimal. We'll then see waggle games that are tailored for the core gamer (FPS with IR pointing, 1st successful console RTS).
 
Halvie said:
Wouldn't either situation have pretty much the same result? I doubt if any of Nintendo's casual market would pick up a MS or Sony "wii" instead of the new Nintendo machine, and I am sure it would turn off a very large segment of both MS and Sony's current customer base.

I don't think Nintendo's casual market is very loyal, actually. That's why they're casual. If Microsoft makes something affordable and has appealing (and/or well-marketed) software only available on their system, then they're going to buy it. Microsoft will still appeal to the loyal hardcore base they've gained, but they're not a video game company. Their goal is to essentially take over the living room.

I don't want to see anything cheaper than $299 from either company at the beginning of the next go around.

If the next Xbox starts at $300, I don't think there will be a large leap in tech.
 
Does anyone really, honestly think that any of the manufacturers will NOT launch with a price tag of $299 or likely less? I mean, there's bad at business and then there's just willful blindness.
 
AniHawk said:
I don't think Nintendo's casual market is very loyal, actually. That's why they're casual. If Microsoft makes something affordable and has appealing (and/or well-marketed) software only available on their system, then they're going to buy it. Microsoft will still appeal to the loyal hardcore base they've gained, but they're not a video game company. Their goal is to essentially take over the living room.

I don't think they are very loyal, or smart for that matter, but I just don't see it. I think the Zune is a lot better tan the Ipod, but the Zune hardly sells. I also question MS's ability to produced the garbage that Wii owners want to buy. Most of the casual games that MS has made so far haven't sold that well...at least I don't think they have(could be wrong).

Either way if the 720 or PS4 come standard with a wiimote knockoff I think it will be a complete disaster...and a deserving one.



If the next Xbox starts at $300, I don't think there will be a large leap in tech.

Exactly my point. Honestly I hope both MS and Sony launch at $399.
 
A Twisty Fluken said:
Does anyone really, honestly think that any of the manufacturers will NOT launch with a price tag of $299 or likely less? I mean, there's bad at business and then there's just willful blindness.


360 sold fine at launch. And I don't think our economy will be in the shitter by 2012...better not be lol :(
 
Actually...what would prevent microsoft or sony from launching both xbox720 and ps4 AND something targeted to casuals like Wii at the same time ? I wouldnìt rule it out
 
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