rudieboy77
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Arcade Gannon Fallout New Vegas.
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Your favorite LGBT characters in Game
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liliththepale
Banned
I agree, but that's part of why I find her chipper attitude especially alluring. She hasn't let life get her down.
Also, Orlando and Jonathan are pretty down on everything in the game, so I don't take it too personally against Erica.
SoulUnison
Banned
Letting any soldier die in Valkyria Chronicles is pretty much an automatic reset, but losing Jann warrants deleting your game save out of shame.
Is this guy really likable later on? I'm gay myself and when he popped up in the recruitment screen I was so turned off by his completely stereotypical "gay" voice that I actually closed the game for a little while and felt weirdly disappointed.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Sir Hammerlock, Borderlands 2.
And I second
Ellie
I didn't know Athena was gay (it's not specified in The Pre-Sequel, unless I missed it). She's badass and probably my favourite playable BL character. <3
A little from Column A, a little from Column B.
Jann is a camp stereotype, no bones about it. He's also friendly, loyal, beloved by his teammates, he's in love with Largo and it's never treated as a joke or inappropriate and Largo never reacts negatively to it. In the Edy DLC he's portrayed as a snarky voice of reason to his teammates, and he's mentioned to run and orphanage and he's beloved by the kids there.
Japan has this weird thing where it will treat sexualities as bizarre quirks to otherwise helpful and important characters, like Leeron from TTGL.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
Mess, how did I forget about Dorian? One of my very faves. I JUST finished DA:I last weekend too. I was so mad I couldn't romance Cullen at first, then I found out about Dorian, who is way better anyways haha. Best party member in all 3 Dragon Age games tbh.
In DA Origins my main squeeze was Morrigan but it was Dorian Pavus all the way in Inquisition. I don't even like moustaches, but goodness did he make his WORK
In DA Origins my main squeeze was Morrigan but it was Dorian Pavus all the way in Inquisition. I don't even like moustaches, but goodness did he make his WORK
Team Alucard
Banned
Ike.
I don't know about "favorite" but I thought Volgin from MGS3 and Vamp from MGS2 were pretty interesting characters in that regard.
Volgin
Vamp
And no, Kanji wasn't actually gay, both he and Naoto had gender role issues that at a glimpse appeared to be about their sexuality, it wasn't.
Kanji wanted to appear manly but had feminine hobbies, so it made him question himself.
Naoto wanted to be respected properly for her detective skills which was harder for her as a girl.
Volgin
Vamp
And no, Kanji wasn't actually gay, both he and Naoto had gender role issues that at a glimpse appeared to be about their sexuality, it wasn't.
Kanji wanted to appear manly but had feminine hobbies, so it made him question himself.
Naoto wanted to be respected properly for her detective skills which was harder for her as a girl.
Deified Data
Banned
Always felt like Kanji's sexuality and Naoto's gender dysmorphia were both "flaws" that the characters had to overcome to be "normal". Hated how they handled these two characters, to be honest.
There's nothing wrong with gay villains as long as there are other gay characters to balance it out IMO. The thing is there are no other gay characters in Danganronpa.
Aarglefarg
Member
Could we be a bit better with spoiler tagging major elements of story-based games?
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Juri from Street Fighter.
...or she might be just nasty and sadistic, she likes chicks for something.
...or she might be just nasty and sadistic, she likes chicks for something.
All of this, plus the fact that he's one of the best Lancers in the game. He's a beloved character in the franchise.
I don't really get your logic. Having another gay character who
wasn't a villain
antagonist who happens to be gay
status as an antagonist
Yes there are
Mikan is madly in love with Junko
A Link to the Past
Banned
The problem is that Nagito
continues the trend of gay/lesbian/bisexual characters being villains, and often being crazy. The fact that he's yet another character who is "broken" and gay is the problem.
Also, just saying -
Mikan was an emotionally damaged person. She's co-dependent, she kills to honour her lesbian love, she's a victim of very serious abuse. I dunno how much it helped your point to point her out - sure, the claim is technically no longer correct, but you helped point out a pattern that depicts LGB Danganronpa characters as ax-crazy murderers.
To be fair,
I believe he hits on multiple men, so it's not really a one-time joke, but it absolutely IS a joke, that at least is true.
I think Bill from the Last of Us was a great example of a gay character done tastefully. While the game did not shy from making his sexuality pretty clear, it didn't try to make that his defining feature. People are complex and multifaceted. Bill was a pretty fleshed out character, and was made better for it.
I don't consider Mikan gay/bi. She didn't express any affection to towards any women until she snapped. Who knows if her infatuation with Junko is truly because she is gay/bi or if it's a side affect of her becoming an ultimate despair because of her troubled past.
A Link to the Past
Banned
????
Bill's gay?
I agree,
I think it could easily be just due to the fact that she's co-dependent on a lot of people, and Junko was more than willing to exploit that to its extremes. You could even argue that it bleeds through with Hajime, as she has a certain degree of flirtiness with him at times and he is definitely one of the nicest people to her.
Yeah, how did you miss it? His partner was both his partner in survival and his partner in life.
A Link to the Past
Banned
I have no idea, I've played as Bill for like 200 hours. I guess I was a little too oblivious
Played as Bill? Huh? is he available in multiplayer or something? Bill is the guy that helps you get a car.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Crash Station
Member
I would say Asahina and Sakura can be interpreted as gay just as much as Nagito can, and their portrayal is far from negative.
It was more than one time. The dude is definitely confirmed bi, even if he's a tropey pervert.
As a character, he still gets a pretty sympathetic portrayal in the end, even if the fanbase isn't super kind to the guy.
On the discussion of Danganronpa in general, I don't think it's fair to point at LGBT characters and automatically assume that because they're "broken", they're being singled out and all around portrayed negatively. Essentially every single character in the series regardless of their sexuality is "broken" in one way or another. That's why Monokuma can manipulate them so well, even if a few can manage to fight back.
At least we haven't gotten into the discussion of
Chihiro
He's gay, sorry.
Yeah, it isn't that simple. You have to really understand Japanese society and how it handles LGBT issues to get the full gist of what's done with Kanji and Naoto. I have a lot of respect for Atlus and its characters, but they're both classic examples of the "flirting with alternate lifestyles, but they get 'better' by the end" line of thinking.
Atlus left a little ambiguity in Kanji, but again, if you understand the Japanese mentality of this stuff, he's not a great example of gay characters. Naoto, absolutely positively isn't trans.
Well put, it's a testament to how well done his storyline is to make people question their preconceptions on what it is to be gay or bi. I feel conflicted when people just assume he is gay. On one hand I'm glad people accept it and don't think it's a big deal, but sad that they don't see there is an underlying stereotype in claiming him as gay or bi.
I also wonder if this was intentional on atlus' part. If they just portrayed him as being gay with no questions, it would have still worked as a look into societies view on masculinity albeit in a more simpler way. Making him straight not only worked to this effect, but also revealed the players own preconceptions and biases. It's brilliant and I wish more people realized this.
You have scenes like this:
I can't really argue against people saying he's "at least bi", the game does support that, but I don't think it really supports him being gay at all.
I'd argue Kanji is more anchored in being Gay with Bi inclinations rather than the otherway around.
The nose bleed scene can be interpreted both ways btw.There were two shirtless boys in that scene.
Tony from EarthBound. The most effective example to this day of that awkward transition period in childhood, realizing you're gay and have feelings for your best friend. The infatuation, the nervousness, the self-doubt. The way he repeatedly calls you and wonders why Jeff never calls back. Meaning well, but knowing that his feelings could one day push his friend away for good. He's supportive of Jeff's quest to save the world, but worries he'll never come back. By the end, he's an increasingly nervous wreck just trying to vie for Jeff's attention.
Everything about the character is fantastic, and far before its time.
I'm glad this example finally came up. Great elaboration too!
Both scenes in the game where Kanji gets a nosebleed also just so happen to be right after he is injured. I don't think the nosebleeds indicate anything other than Atlus having fun with the trope.
LouisaFerre
Member
That's really not what their character development was about at all.
The TV world isn't meant to just display the inner feelings of the characters but also what the other people want to see. Kanji wants to be loved and accepted and feels insecure about his masculinity. I personally think he might be bisexual, but that wasn't the point. His shadow self was formed from a combination of those feelings and the way other people saw him, and his shadow directly said that girls made fun of his interests for being feminine and saw him as being gay.
Naoto, from what I remember, didn't seem to actually identify or see herself as a male. From the way her shadow acted and her young age it stands to reason that she was seen as a little kid by the detectives she worked with. That's also why she tries to act so calm and mature, because she wants to be taken seriously. She wants to be seen as an adult. On top of being younger than everyone else she also has to deal with being female in that group of older men who saw themselves as more seasoned than her. She was trying to seem respectable to them. Same thing with Kanji. Both of them were chasing some kind of approval from people who didn't even respect or like them.
Naoto, from what I remember, didn't seem to actually identify or see herself as a male. From the way her shadow acted and her young age it stands to reason that she was seen as a little kid by the detectives she worked with. That's also why she tries to act so calm and mature, because she wants to be taken seriously. She wants to be seen as an adult. On top of being younger than everyone else she also has to deal with being female in that group of older men who saw themselves as more seasoned than her. She was trying to seem respectable to them. Same thing with Kanji. Both of them were chasing some kind of approval from people who didn't even respect or like them.
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persona 4 was all about accepting yourself and realizing weird/unexpected parts of yourself weren't things to be ashamed of and considered flaws
True ,but I think part of the fun is to make people go nuts over their meanings as well.
But yeah I think these scenes are meant to subvert the trope by adding physical injuring as a variable to causing his nose bleed.lol
It was an over the top representation of his fear of not being masculine. For example Rise doesn't actually want to be a stripper.
DR2K
Banned
No, but her idol gig isn't far from being a stripper.
Vlaphor
Member
The one thing that kind of did stick out for me in P4 Golden was when you dressed the MC in female clothes and then spoke to Kanji in the dungeon, he mentions how beautiful you are, in a serious tone. That's less 'I'm insecure about my gender roles', and more, 'I'm literally attracted to men'. It's probably not that black and white, but it does lean towards Kanji being bi perhaps.
Also, to mention a character who was in a game
Also, to mention a character who was in a game
LouisaFerre
Member
Yes, but why was she depicted as a stripper? Why was Naoto depicted as a crying little kid?
Why was Namatame depicted as evil?
Vlaphor
Member
Isn't it that those were the extremes of the public's perception/possible perception about them, and how it reflected they way the felt about themselves.
bengraven
Member
Sir Hammerlock, Borderlands 2.
And I secondand Bill in TLoU, I also really liked Veronica in Fallout: New Vegas, she was sweet and amusing.Ellie
I didn't know Athena was gay (it's not specified in The Pre-Sequel, unless I missed it). She's badass and probably my favourite playable BL character. <3
Hammerlock is gay? I didn't know that...or I did and just never gave it much thought.
And yeah, Athena has (Tales spoiler)
a girlfriend in Tales of Borderlands episode 3.
Crossdressing is only something homosexual/bisexual/transgender people do? I don't think so.
Probably a joke, right?
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Yup he mentions past boyfriends once or twice.
Either that or crossdressing = trans people.