ShockingAlberto
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Was this not true in Wind Waker/HD, Twilight Princess GC, Splatoon, Mario Sunshine, Majora's Mask 3D, off the top of my head?
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Zelda BotW is going to have a major problem with "the claw" after having new hands-on
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Hold on, wait
Was this not true in Wind Waker/HD, Twilight Princess GC, Splatoon, Mario Sunshine, Majora's Mask 3D, off the top of my head?
Twilight Princess HD certainly can,
Also Captain toad too...Xenoblade games too...
Not to mention Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles X for example. I remember playing Xenoblade on Wii with the nunchuk combo and panning the camera with the directional pad on the Mote while pressing C on the nunchuk and walking with the stick. Since then I'd like to believe i can get through anything . (I also loved the control scheme)
Phazon_Chaos
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Normally I wouldn't be too worried about the camera, as I regularly shifted between normal and claw when playing Bloodborne, my main concern with that is I'll be playing on Wii U, which means I would be using my index finger for camera control in those situations. For running and jumping that just sounds awful though.
Vampirolol
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After years of Souls games and Arkham games I have crab hands.
We also call inverted "inverted" when it was the standard stick input metaphor for the previous 80 so years, have "analog" sticks that typically provide trinary digital input, and call them "joy"pads when a quick glance at gaf makes it obvious that their average user hasn't felt true happiness in decades.
Etymological determinism is overrated.
I am Christina Aguilera
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Maybe I'm inferring too much than I really can know, but it sounds like the game probably just doesn't want or expect you to be jumping very often -- that it's just kind of a "supplemental" action.
Bucket Mouse
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Wait, this thread isn't about this?
What? No. You're not supposed to hold the N64 controller like that. One hand always goes in the middle section, the other one on either side.
Glad you enjoyed your PS1, but it really has nothing to do with the quality of the N64 and its controller.
kunonabi
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because running with analog stick inputs sucks.
LinkSlayer64
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I assume because it eats stamina, so you want a quick toggle of hold down or let go.
Hentailover
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Call me a weirdo, but unless game has rapidfire jumping puzzles where you need to both sprint, jump and turn camera simultaniously at extremely high speeds, these things are never a problem. Here's what I do. I point camera where I need to sprint, and I sprint there... if I need to adjust view I stop sprinting for a moment, and just tilt stick.
iRAWRasaurus
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Hahaha no.
I play Bayonetta and i don't do the claw. Not Sure Speed Runners should be a guideline for normal play and button configuration.
Z..
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Love Bayo. MH and souls are top 3 IPs along with Metroid. Poured literally thousands of hours into both and never once clawed and really see no need to. Never struggled because of it, either.
I see clawing as obsessive behaviour, if I'm being honest. Huge bump in discomfort for tiny bump in degree of control is a horrible trade off.
TheMagician
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Standard comment from someone who never played the N64.
TannerDemoz
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This made me howl
Your life would have been so much better with an N64, poor guy.
YES. I even got blisters on my finger because I played thps so much this way
To some people this thread is the equivalent to 8.8.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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now that you mention it yea who the fuck does that? you usually point the camera in the way you intend on moving and then execute your actions.
Fahzgoolin
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Dark Souls sprints with a face button. It's awkward, but works.
RoadHazard
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The only thing I see as a potential issue is that the sprint and jump buttons are on opposite sides of the diamond. Seems like that would make running jumps difficult/uncomfortable. But I doubt Nintendo would just accidentally make such a mistake, so I guess running jumps aren't really important? Or maybe there's some "lag" after releasing the sprint button, allowing you to move over to the jump button in time.
As for the camera, that's just standard 3rd person stuff. Are we sure the camera doesn't automatically turn when you're sprinting, like in Souls etc?
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Ah, that's that issue solved then.
As for the camera, that's just standard 3rd person stuff. Are we sure the camera doesn't automatically turn when you're sprinting, like in Souls etc?
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Ah, that's that issue solved then.
eXistor
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I don't think I've ever see this being a real problem. I've heard stories of "the claw" in Dark Souls and they're dumb. I get what you're saying, but I seriously don't think this is gonna be an issue for the overwhelming majority. You're always gonna have people who "demand" absolute perfection in controls or it's "shit".
It's ridiculous behaviour as far as I'm concerned. Games are fun, they're not something to lose your shit over (not directed at the OP btw, more a general remark). If you're taking it this seriously, you have other issues I'd say.
It's ridiculous behaviour as far as I'm concerned. Games are fun, they're not something to lose your shit over (not directed at the OP btw, more a general remark). If you're taking it this seriously, you have other issues I'd say.
RoadHazard
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There are people who are "completely lacking in spatial awareness"? How does such a person even survive?
RoadHazard
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Because that's TERRIBLE. I really, really hate it. Thank fuck they know better than to do that shit.
Smooth Operator
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I feel you OP¨, i use the claw method a lot, especially in games when i have to sprint and look around me at the same time.
If Splatoon players can use the terrible gyro controls (
), Nintendo could at least add more options for Zelda too 
If Splatoon players can use the terrible gyro controls (
One of these people got to be on UK'a Gamesmaster TV show, I cried inside, the bastard didn't deserve a shot at Golden Joystick.
Pyroblazer
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I kind of understand OP. I don't think running on a button is ideal, I didn't like it in 3D World either in comparison to other Marios where I can control it with the stick. It has a reason why most studios put running on press the stick or the shoulder buttons, because you usually only use 2 face buttons very often (in most cases jump and attack or reload in shooters). That said OP is overthinking it, it won't be a huge problem at all, you don't need to move the camera all the time.
Why? The top button triangle/Y changes your stance between one and two hand. Why would it be useful to keep a constant hold on that button during a speed run?
Sure but if the name doesn't tip you off, the inevitable pain in your hand should.
You can do all that in XenobladeX.
Oh ok the point is to run, jump and control the camera at the same time.
Ha ha, no, thank you.
Nintendo can do a lot of stupid shit nobody understands but creating bad control schemes isnt one of those dimwit decisions... usually
There are 2 very easy solutions on top of my head
1. you maybe dont have to hold b to Sprint, just tap b and tap jump button as soon as you need it. Camera also shouldnt be a problem because of recentering shoulderbutton
2. you maybe can alternativly jump like dark souls 1 and 3, hold down b and press it twice fast to jump as secondary way to jump besides just pressing y
Also lol at thread length, the thirst is REAL
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What an abomination
Disgusting
This is truly fucked up. Please go see a doctor lol
There are 2 very easy solutions on top of my head
1. you maybe dont have to hold b to Sprint, just tap b and tap jump button as soon as you need it. Camera also shouldnt be a problem because of recentering shoulderbutton
2. you maybe can alternativly jump like dark souls 1 and 3, hold down b and press it twice fast to jump as secondary way to jump besides just pressing y
Also lol at thread length, the thirst is REAL
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Years of Monster Hunter have prepared me well.
What an abomination
Disgusting
This is truly fucked up. Please go see a doctor lol
eot
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Risk Breaker
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What is it with some people insulting how other people play games?
I've played several games that REQUIRE claw if you want to play well, like MGS Portable Ops/Peace Walker, Gears of War, etc. and if you guys can find a better way to play please let us know thx.
I don't think that's comparable. Run and jump is on the same button in DS, and Bayonetta doesn't even have a run button. BotW seems to have both separate run and jump buttons, so it's not the same.
I've played several games that REQUIRE claw if you want to play well, like MGS Portable Ops/Peace Walker, Gears of War, etc. and if you guys can find a better way to play please let us know thx.
I don't think that's comparable. Run and jump is on the same button in DS, and Bayonetta doesn't even have a run button. BotW seems to have both separate run and jump buttons, so it's not the same.
I've used the claw for games like Halo before... but
1) isn't this the whole point of L targeting/centering in Zelda? And
2) how is this different from any other game like Witcher 3 or Read Dead Redemption (which are even worse in the sense that you have to tap the sprint button if i recall correctly)?
1) isn't this the whole point of L targeting/centering in Zelda? And
2) how is this different from any other game like Witcher 3 or Read Dead Redemption (which are even worse in the sense that you have to tap the sprint button if i recall correctly)?
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