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Zombie fantasies, are in a way, illogical

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You have to throw a lot of things out of the window to make them feasible. Stuff like "they walk underwater" somehow forgets water pressure, how they lack fuel to drive their existence, and how viruses don't just spread willy-nilly, and all other things.

I dunno why the fantasy is there compared to other forms of fantasy, at least there they know their works aren't grounded in reality or trying hard to be realistic =/
 
You have to take into account that Zombies started out as magic stuff, and it's really only the last decade that they've tried to make it "realistic" with all the sciency-wiency explanations.

If you view it as an attack by hell, it's completely logical.
 
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SquiddyBiscuit said:
You have to take into account that Zombies started out as magic stuff, and it's really only the last decade that they've tried to make it "realistic" with all the sciency-wiency explanations.

If you view it as an attack by hell, it's completely logical.
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Oh don't worry, I'm questioning the "viral" zombies or the ones produced by science fiction. Magic stuff are fine.

What bothers me is that people associate zombie apocalypse to real life phenomena which are very light.
 
Why does shooting them in the head tend to kill them when living humans can survive head shots? How do they stay hydrated?

You can go on and on about the why's of the living dead but the less questions you ask the better.
 
Raxus said:
Why does shooting them in the head tend to kill them when living humans can survive head shots? How do they stay hydrated?

You can go on and on about the why's of the living dead but the less questions you ask the better.
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Honestly post apocalypse caused by radiation is much more feasible.
 
Ookami-kun said:
Oh don't worry, I'm questioning the "viral" zombies or the ones produced by science fiction. Magic stuff are fine.

What bothers me is that people associate zombie apocalypse to real life phenomena which are very light.
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The 28days later "zombie" is pretty grounded in reality though.
 
Even though a zombie apocalypse is illogical by nature, I wouldnt refer to some of the later Romero doings as examples of why. I mean they clearly go way beyond a realistic approach when they introduce walter walking zombies.

I mean, if the disease existed it's something that could happen, to a scale. My main gripe with a realistic scenario is the fast spread of the disease, specially on movies where only bites can turn people. If you were talking about infectation through air or water supplies then yeah.
 
You'd have to throw science out the window to make the concept of a zombie work anyways. Don't see anything wrong with an author taking some freedom to stray away from the traditional archetype to make his or her vision of zombies work.
 
Twilight also tries to ground its vampires in "science", but they don't need to breathe, have diamond-hard skin, and won't die even if deprived of blood - they just become increasingly more feral.
 
Suairyu said:
The infection and incubation rate is waaaaaay too fast.
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Probably theoretically possible though.

If we want to get really zany, a zombie "virus" could be explained as being super-advanced nanite infections that can only be stopped by shooting the specialized nano-CPU located in the brain of an infected person.
 
fun fact: Ive had an original idea for a zombie film since ages ago and I never shared it with anyone cause I honestly think that if done correctly it could be golden. From time to time I check online to see if anyone's done anything similarly and still havent come across it.

sitting on an unfinished screenplay though and I think I might start it over as a short film.
 
SalsaShark said:
fun fact: Ive had an original idea for a zombie film since ages ago and I never shared it with anyone cause I honestly think that if done correctly it could be golden. From time to time I check online to see if anyone's done anything similarly and still havent come across it.
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Get on Kickstarter or Indiegogo quick
 
dragonlife said:
Ugh at the misplaced comma.
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I know man, I was almost physically sick when I saw it but I managed to stem the tide by thinking about long words.

SalsaShark said:
fun fact: Ive had an original idea for a zombie film since ages ago and I never shared it with anyone cause I honestly think that if done correctly it could be golden. From time to time I check online to see if anyone's done anything similarly and still havent come across it.
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If it's zombies that can run then I'm afraid you've been beaten to the punch.
 
DonMigs85 said:
Also, not exactly a zombie but how did the giant Las Plagas parasite fit inside Lord Saddler's body?
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RE4 was bad, but RE5 was even worse for this mass-from-nowhere shit. That game should not be taking itself seriously with some of the shit that goes on, but for some fuckin' reason they play it straight.
 
ThoseDeafMutes said:
RE4 was bad, but RE5 was even worse for this mass-from-nowhere shit. That game should not be taking itself seriously with some of the shit that goes on, but for some fuckin' reason they play it straight.
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Yeah, and too many enemies in RE5 were just writhing masses of black tentacles. RE4 was at least more creative with enemy design.
 
The most illogical thing about a zombie apocalypse, is how the hell can people become zombies when bitten if all zombies devour every human?

Like, most people who are attacked in the beginning of an outbreak would logically just be struck down and then completely devoured, so after that, what's left of the person? It would no way in hell be a practical way to spread disease.
 
Fudgepuppy said:
The most illogical thing about a zombie apocalypse, is how the hell can people become zombies when bitten if all zombies devour every human?

Like, most people who are attacked in the beginning of an outbreak would logically just be struck down and then completely devoured, so after that, what's left of the person? It would no way in hell be a practical way to spread disease.
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Agreed.
Especially if zombies eat brains... which will just result in the dead not turning into more zombies.
 
SalsaShark said:
fun fact: Ive had an original idea for a zombie film since ages ago and I never shared it with anyone cause I honestly think that if done correctly it could be golden. From time to time I check online to see if anyone's done anything similarly and still havent come across it.

sitting on an unfinished screenplay though and I think I might start it over as a short film.
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it's about zombies buying games even though they have a massive backlog right?
 
Mr Nightman said:
the rage variant from 28 days/weeks are much more feasible imo, basically a human strand of rabies that boils the brain, making the host lost all human traits, going into a primal zone
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Yeah but then that's just the general perception of rabies then overblowing it. I mean, you already have rabies here and people don't go into mass hysteria.
 
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Also, zombies must require some rudimentary cognition to differentiate other zombies from human. They can't use smell as humans have a terrible sense. World War Z proposed some mystical shit but then we should just call them mummies. Nope, zombies must be be like the infected in 28 Days Later. Rage induced, melee, freaks.

Perhaps a rapid virus that induces a violent hormone. Or a fast acting prion which triggers the the brain to attack all non-similarly infected.
 
Ookami-kun said:
nah, too fast to spread and it assumes people can't resist. It also assumes people are stupid like they're from the medieval period.
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there were people resistant to the 28days virus.


Ookami-kun said:
Yeah but then that's just the general perception of rabies then overblowing it. I mean, you already have rabies here and people don't go into mass hysteria.
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rabies doesn't turn people into insane blood spewing zombies in seconds.
 
mac said:
Also, zombies must require some rudimentary cognition to differentiate other zombies from human. They can't use smell as humans have a terrible sense. World War Z proposed some mystical shit but then we should just call them mummies. Nope, zombies must be be like the infected in 28 Days Later. Rage induced, melee, freaks.
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If you're in an irrational rage and start lashing out at everything in sight, then the other people displaying similar behavior would be your first targets, for obvious reasons. 28 Days Later zombies are closer to being plausible than literal undead, but still quite far away for this reason (and the OUTRAGEOUS time from first infection to showing symptoms).
 
SquiddyBiscuit said:
Probably theoretically possible though.

If we want to get really zany, a zombie "virus" could be explained as being super-advanced nanite infections that can only be stopped by shooting the specialized nano-CPU located in the brain of an infected person.
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Please edit your post before Kojima sees it.
 
Zombies strike some primal shit for humans. They are a diseased out-group, rising from the dead, that has turned on its original population. That's like a soup of primal fears for humans.

It has nothing to do with realism, even if some try to make it more feasible. It shouldn't really be a concern...

In the media, I think the main reason it exists is that it allows for the main characters to basically act out massive swaths of largely justified violence, and also has those dramatic scenes with trade-offs and zombifying friends.
 
Wait, without my indulgent zombie fantasies, how do I justify my firearms ownership?

Oh right, Tea Party. Never stop being wacky!
 
SquiddyBiscuit said:
You have to take into account that Zombies started out as magic stuff, and it's really only the last decade that they've tried to make it "realistic" with all the sciency-wiency explanations.

If you view it as an attack by hell, it's completely logical.
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I wouldn't say they started off as "magical" per say. More like unexpainable (for the time period) events + religious nuts of the time period.

The whole Zombie thing (At least in the US) stems from old cemeteries were people didn't bury the bodies deep enough. When it rained at night the bodies would appear to be "rising" out of the grave due to rigor mortis + the wet soil. Since the bodies weren't buried deep enough the stiffened limps would simply pop up through the mud. People who saw this thought the dead were coming back to life, and thus OMG ZOMBIES!
 
Angelus Errare said:
I wouldn't say they started off as "magical" per say. More like unexpainable (for the time period) events + religious nuts of the time period.

The whole Zombie thing (At least in the US) stems from old cemeteries were people didn't bury the bodies deep enough. When it rained at night the bodies would appear to be "rising" out of the grave due to rigor mortis + the wet soil. Since the bodies weren't buried deep enough the stiffened limps would simply pop up through the mud. People who saw this thought the dead were coming back to life, and thus OMG ZOMBIES!
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That and really the first true Zombie movie didn't go for magic or anything it was some weird outer space virus or something that returned to earth on a probe.

I dont consider the voodoo movies of the 30s true zombie movies as they have nothing in common with whats considered the zombie genre.
 
More perplexing than that is, given the state of decay often shown in zombies, how do they even move? If their muscle tissue is decomposing, then they wouldn't be able to do much of anything except lie on the ground twitching.
 
- Zombies are dead and in decomposition. Why would they stop this processus ? the virus would ? anyway, they would have, very limite " life " spend. Walking would make they loose their limb really fast. not to mention that nature (insect, other life form) would eat them fast. Basically an angry dog would be a good zombie killer because the zombie can't really bend to bite a dog eating his legs ?

- what the zombie are running on ? Oxygen ? How they could walk underwater then ? Same goes for food. If they eat fresh flesh, the they would need it all the time. I don't think crossing an ocean is fast enough for slow (even fast) zombies to survive (step aside the water pressure) without food. Don't even bring fish or underwater life form. Fish would eat the fuck of zombies
 
Surely the problem stems from the living dead and zombies becoming the same thing when their original meanings were different? Or is the influence of Night of the Living Dead so strong as to overwrite any previous zombie idea? The word "zombie" isn't even mentioned in the film, is it? Romero referred to them as "ghouls". The fans of the film refer to them as zombies.
I think there should be a separation of type.

Originally "zombies" were supernatural, to do with voodoo from Haiti and before that West Africa. But here in the West supernatural explanations just aren't good enough (or are outdated) so we try to create scientific ones. The problem is science just isn't a good tool to explain zombies in the "dead-come-back-to-life" scenario. Some kind of infection seems to make more sense, as in 28 Days Later.
People turning into flesh eating monsters makes more sense to me than the dead rising up. I'm no expert on viral infections (obviously) but a disease that is fast acting (maybe a few hours - Shaun's Mother in Shaun of the Dead "turns" in several hours, for example) and drives them into a bathsalts frenzy (sorry, not bathsalts) a marijuana frenzy ;) seems almost believable.
But are they zombies? No. A zombie is a mindless, shambling dead person who wants to eat your brains. That's just what they are in the public imagination.
The dead can't go walking about. Only witchcraft or magic can do that. And magic and witchcraft defy logic. So the living dead are illogical. The disease carrying, virus infected insane are logical (more or less).
 
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