Segata Sanshiro
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Exactly. Put your head between your knees and try to stay profitable while keeping your fans happy. Better luck next time.apujanata said:
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Media Create Sales 4/7 - 4/13
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DeaconKnowledge
Member
Are we open to the possibility that (In Japan at least) everybody who wanted Mario Kart already had a Wii? The fact that the Wii hardware sales barely budged seems to scream this.
Mithos Yggdrasill
Banned
DeaconKnowledge said:
At least it proves that the existing audience is caring about new games. Many said that Wii's owners just bought a Wii, with Wii Sports and Wii Play and after a while, they just forgot about any new games on the system These Mario Kart numbers say that these people were wrong.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
AniHawk said:
The sad thing is that this will definitely get to FFXIII...
slaughterking
Member
I think sinobi is updated with first day sales. I can't filter them out though. D:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
slaughterking said:
The only really notable one there is:
We Are Fossil Holders - 16,000
Which is about standard for a Nintendo B-title (~25-30k opening week, 90-110k lifetime)
Next week is Taiko Drum Master DS 2, Valkyria and Summon Night DS 2
Phife Dawg
Member
Well then that's a good opportunity for VC's sales to shine I guess. 100k retailer orders were the word I think?Defuser said:
That's something that was apparent from the get-go. There wasn't a big focus on japanese-centric games. Then again PS2 wasn't really driven by first party software, to expect Nintendo-like output is certainly asking too much. I think Sony really thought they could win over fans on brand name in the beginning and wait for the heavy hitters like HSG etc. to attract the majority of fans.gofreak said:
Software line-up wise PS3 already saw a lot of big franchise titles.
If you look at big SCE titles on PS2: GT (already saw a P, but of course the real game is still coming), HSG (PS3 title already released), HST (not yet released or being planned), Rogue Galaxy (WKC is coming), Ratchet (first one at least, although I think that was also bundled, PS3 title already released), BNNY (PS3 title already released), they released Genji as well (though that wasn't particularily big on PS2)
Then you have new IPs like Folk Souls and The Eye of Judgement.
While they sure don't focus on Japan, their output thus far has seen a lot of their big franchises already continued on PS3 (GT being somewhere in between of course).
On the third party side, with a humongous price , low userbase and inflated development costs obviously not a lot of devs/pubs want to try their luck with small projects. There will be no steady stream of titles and since we're running out of big franchises to continue on PS3 there will surely be no steady stream of software that can bump the hardware like Musou games etc.
Sony tried to stimulate the market a couple of times with lots of bundles, new colours, (internal) redesign/cheaper model, re-introduction of (now next-gen
) rumble. It's not that they are not trying, it's just that they can't overcome PS3's problems (inflated price, size and dev costs). They designed PS3 to be a sophisticated high-end machine and now have to deal with the problems that choice brought with it.PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
JohnsonUT said:
thanks man. anything that anybody would like to see (and can provide numbers for), i'd love to do if i think it would be interesting to present.
PSP/PS2/PSOne redesigns were all noticeably cheaper to manufacture then fatties.Segata Sanshiro said:
In fact the same can be said for Nintendo redesigns as well. Increased sales or not, they are getting extra juice from them by default.
If nothing else, redesign would bring more price-drops, which couldn't possibly be bad for sales. It's difficult to judge effects of console redesigns though since PSTwo/PSOne were late to the market (after 80/70M mark for respective consoles).
JoshuaJSlone
Member
Based on the latest Famitsu numbers...
PS3 comparisons: After 74 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 17.1 weeks (June 25, 2000), where PSP was at 48.6 weeks (November 9, 2005), where GCN was at 68.8 weeks (January 3, 2003), and where Wii was at 18.6 weeks (April 5, 2007).
Wii comparisons: After 71 weeks, Wii is where GBA was at 72.2 weeks (August 5, 2002), where DS was at 60.2 weeks (January 23, 2006), where PS2 was at 93.3 weeks (December 10, 2001), and where PSP was at 139.1 weeks (August 5, 2007).
Based on the latest Media Create numbers...
DS vs PSP: Weekly shares of 35.5 / 64.5, bringing the total shares to 71.5 / 28.5. At this week's rates, PSP catches up to DS in 347.7 weeks (December 12, 2014). If DS stopped selling and PSP continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 156.4 weeks (April 13, 2011).
PS3 vs Wii: Weekly shares of 15.1 / 84.9, Wii's biggest share since Dragon Quest Swords. THis brings the total shares to 25.8 / 74.2. If Wii stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 456.1 weeks (January 9, 2017).
April 2001: ~42K weekly
July 2001: ~107K weekly, includes FFX bump
April 2002: ~70K weekly
PS3 comparisons: After 74 weeks, PS3 is where PS2 was at 17.1 weeks (June 25, 2000), where PSP was at 48.6 weeks (November 9, 2005), where GCN was at 68.8 weeks (January 3, 2003), and where Wii was at 18.6 weeks (April 5, 2007).
Wii comparisons: After 71 weeks, Wii is where GBA was at 72.2 weeks (August 5, 2002), where DS was at 60.2 weeks (January 23, 2006), where PS2 was at 93.3 weeks (December 10, 2001), and where PSP was at 139.1 weeks (August 5, 2007).
Based on the latest Media Create numbers...
DS vs PSP: Weekly shares of 35.5 / 64.5, bringing the total shares to 71.5 / 28.5. At this week's rates, PSP catches up to DS in 347.7 weeks (December 12, 2014). If DS stopped selling and PSP continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 156.4 weeks (April 13, 2011).
PS3 vs Wii: Weekly shares of 15.1 / 84.9, Wii's biggest share since Dragon Quest Swords. THis brings the total shares to 25.8 / 74.2. If Wii stopped selling and PS3 continued at this week's rate, it would catch up in 456.1 weeks (January 9, 2017).
"This point in its life" will always be a bit of a tricky comparison since it places different systems at different months. However, here are some decently comparable periods. (Using Famitsu since we don't have MC for 2002 and back.)Sage00 said:
April 2001: ~42K weekly
July 2001: ~107K weekly, includes FFX bump
April 2002: ~70K weekly
It takes a bit more than 5 million to reach that. Apprently it will take software that isn't preaching to the converted, though.legend166 said:
cvxfreak said:
All of Phoenix Wright for £40 is a steal. Hope we get a similar bargain range of these titles in the UK. Even £15 or £20 would be perfect.
And in case no-one has pointed it out yet, MK did cause a HW bump for the Wii by making it the only system that didn't reduce its sales this week. Like in the UK while the market in general is slowing post Easter, the Wii has remained stable.
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Format This Last Change YTD LTD
PSP 85721 120964 70.86% 1315501 8980578
NDS 47158 55190 85.45% 1152496 22325546
WII 46296 44618 [B]103.76%[/B] 1146357 5762516
ps3 8232 11303 72.83% 336125 2007796
ps2 6834 10423 65.57% 184353 21111393
X360 1147 1452 78.99% 49645 556985I'd say not following the market down 30% is a bump to me
Moor-Angol
Banned
nli10 said:
no, not again !!!!!!!!!11
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
DataBot said:
FFXIII will likely stay exclusive.
The difference is that SE will delay the game even more until the console sells a certain amount, which is the COMPLETE opposite of what Sony really needs at the moment.
If FF13 was released and was aggressively advertised, it would the the one game that would push many consoles. Unfortunately it is also the only game that is being pushed back because of the lack of consoles in Japanese homes.
edwardslane
Member
that's crazy low for ps3, it's only 2k above ps2 that's weak for this point in the game.
final fantasy 13 can't come soon enough for sony
final fantasy 13 can't come soon enough for sony
Finally found my Famitsu with the interesting Monster Hunter data:
Title - Opening Week - LTD incl. budget re-releases
Monster Hunter - 120,640 - 288,559
Monster Hunter G - 128,051 - 237,393 (PlayStation 2 The Best incl.)
Monster Hunter Portable - 118,317 - 1,088,038 (PSP The Best incl.)
Monster Hunter 2 (Dos) - 368,057 - 652,598 (PlayStation 2 The Best incl.)
Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 746,313 - 1,688,980
Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G - 823,265 - 1,375,966
As of 4/6:
Title - Opening Week - LTD incl. budget re-releases
Monster Hunter - 120,640 - 288,559
Monster Hunter G - 128,051 - 237,393 (PlayStation 2 The Best incl.)
Monster Hunter Portable - 118,317 - 1,088,038 (PSP The Best incl.)
Monster Hunter 2 (Dos) - 368,057 - 652,598 (PlayStation 2 The Best incl.)
Monster Hunter Portable 2nd - 746,313 - 1,688,980
Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G - 823,265 - 1,375,966
As of 4/6:
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
DeaconKnowledge said:
actually, i believe that Wii stayed where it was because of MK Wii, and didn't suffer as huge a drop it should have. We'll see a drop next week if sales stay low across all the other consoles
CrushDance
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Mr. Pointy
Member
Yeah.Lobster said:
KoR will simply surf the Golden Week wave of boosted HW numbers to Valhalla (or ~500k LTD).
Kurosaki Ichigo
Member
6/26Lobster said:
Taurus said:
I don't think Nintendo will do a price cut for Wii before Wii is readily available in all region (Japan, US & Europe). Therefore, the first price cut would probably happen on 2009 at the earliest.
IF X360 Arcade price goes below Wii (in US), and Wii still managed to trounced X360 sales # 2:1, then we know for sure that price is not a factor (at least eh current US 250 price is not a factor).
titiklabingapat
Member
I won't be surprised if it takes them 2 years(from now) before we see any forms of price cut from Nintendo for the Wii.
They are stubborn as it is with the DS, just imagine how they will manage the much more successful Wii(in the western world anyway).
They are stubborn as it is with the DS, just imagine how they will manage the much more successful Wii(in the western world anyway).
cvxfreak said:
What I have of the first four separated:
Monster Hunter - 120,640 - 288,559
Monster Hunter G - 128,051 - 232,239
Monster Hunter G (BEST) - nothing; I guess the BEST version sold 5,154?
Monster Hunter Portable - 118,317 - 668,964
Monster Hunter Portable (BEST) - 12,314 - 290,904
Monster Hunter Portable (BEST Reprint) - nothing in Famitsu; I guess it sold 128,170 through April 6?
Monster Hunter 2 (Dos) - 368,057 - 570,651
Monster Hunter 2 (Dos) (BEST) - ~5,000 - 22,822 (I guess it sold 81,947 through April 6?)
Thanks for posting that, cvxfreak.
Copycat_Wannabe
Member
How about a Wii vs NDS vs PSP YTD chart?PantherLotus said:
Would it be possible to do a top-10 YTD software chart?
And thanks for all your excellent charts, they're awsome.
Copycat_Wannabe
Member
Thx Donny
It sure is a close race, who do you guys think will end in the top for this year?
It sure is a close race, who do you guys think will end in the top for this year?
JoshuaJSlone
Member
They've been so even it's hard to say. I haven't taken a big look at the big titles for the rest of the year (that we know of), but from what others have said it doesn't seem PSP has many other "bumpworthy" titles coming up. Of course, if it can just ride the current one for a while before going back to selling evenly with DS/Wii, it could stay ahead for quite some time.Copycat_Wannabe said:
My guess is that it's pretty much up to Nintendo if DS sells more than PSP this year.
Price drop? New model with additional features? New colours? New market expanding software? More promotion of DS's staple Touch Generation titles?
There's also DQ9. DS is less prone to bumps than most other systems, even with MASSIVE titles like this, but I expect a bit of a bump, at least.
There's stuff Sony can do too, but despite Nintendo's massive overall lead, Nintendo still seems to have more cards to play than Sony, or at least out of those that we know of.
Price drop? New model with additional features? New colours? New market expanding software? More promotion of DS's staple Touch Generation titles?
There's also DQ9. DS is less prone to bumps than most other systems, even with MASSIVE titles like this, but I expect a bit of a bump, at least.
There's stuff Sony can do too, but despite Nintendo's massive overall lead, Nintendo still seems to have more cards to play than Sony, or at least out of those that we know of.
apujanata said:
I don't believe that the DS Lite or the Wii will EVER have a true price cut.
Bundles and colours and other value added promotions do not undermine the percieved value of the item by the causal crowd. Price slashing does.
One of the reasons that it's very popular to wait before entering the 'next gen' is always that the consumers know that prices will come down. At the start of this gen Nintnedo publicly stated that the buisness model to them felt broken and that they would choose a good price and stick to it.
Seems that so far they are as good as their word. Mom & pop know how much it costs for a Nintendo and this makes the process less risky.
I'd bank on Wii Play & 2nd controller being in the box for £180 at some point too though. Just not for a long long time.