KillerSloth
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Most that say no games seem to really.ps4 variety is impressive.
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Sony E3 Conference 2015
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KnightHart
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A lot of these arguments seem to be stemming from the theory/idea that first parties are what sells systems now. The 'killer app' of the system
Yet evidently the PS4 exists as an anomaly towards this. Like, the PS4 doesn't even really have a 'killer app' at the moment, and it still won't for the next few months. Yet it's still doing better than both the XBOne or Wii U
I feel like people are starting to lose touch with the way modern gaming has been progressing. Going by the "PS4 is fucked because no first parties" argument, the PS4 should have been fucked for the past 2 years. Like at this point people are just waiting for the PS4 to hit a stop so they can finally go "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO."
It's such a cool as hell name. He was an excellent speaker as well.
Yet evidently the PS4 exists as an anomaly towards this. Like, the PS4 doesn't even really have a 'killer app' at the moment, and it still won't for the next few months. Yet it's still doing better than both the XBOne or Wii U
I feel like people are starting to lose touch with the way modern gaming has been progressing. Going by the "PS4 is fucked because no first parties" argument, the PS4 should have been fucked for the past 2 years. Like at this point people are just waiting for the PS4 to hit a stop so they can finally go "SEE, I TOLD YOU SO."
THIS JUST HAPPENED
It's such a cool as hell name. He was an excellent speaker as well.
TheOctodad
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Why should I be upset that a game is delayed by a few months? Just because it misses some mythical "holiday" slot? I will enjoy a game just as much in early 2016.
If by "get its act together" we mean rush games out the door, I'd prefer to wait a little bit.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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I get this, but I think he was explaining the exaggeration on the notion that Sony has no games at all versus not having games some people aren't interested in. The system will have games, just not the ones you want right now.
I'm still getting tomb raider but idk, I play games so nothing is ever out the equation.
KillerSloth
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Do games that released outside of fall not .count or something? It is a dumb argument. Someone buying a console has the entire library to choose from.
What does uc4 coming just a few months later result matter? Fall us loaded with big third parties. Will it suck cause its release date?
If you think tomb raider is going to be a hot seller, man do I have a plot of land in the Arctic to sell to you. It's release date is the same as fallout. Fallout is going to destroy any game around it, tomb raider does not stand a chance.
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The Albatross
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Agreed that FO4 was the most impressive thing from E3 this year, for me. They showed a ton of gameplay, a real indepth look at the world, crafting, the core components of the game, and a lot more. It had some very big surprises, the refuge building minigame and of course the promise of bringing PC mods to consoles. On top of that, everything looks very close to a "finished" state... And while it's great to get announcements like Shenmue 3 -- which people have been waiting for and expecting for two generations now -- we're still several years away from it, so it doesn't excite me nearly as much as something that we're less than five months away for.
But I'm also sour on the kickstarter idea. I just don't like it as a model for a game that your reveal at your E3 press conference, and then ask your fans to give you money to fund it. For instance, if Microsoft had Rare reboot Goldeneye or Perfect Dark for Xbox One, but then hung it on the caveat of a kickstarter, I think the reaction would be very negative... When you have a billion dollar company asking people to fund a multi-platform game that you're using as a big name at your E3 conference. It's different for a Tim Shaeffer project, where he basically says "Publishers don't have any interest in this game, but we know our fans do, so please get us started on this and we'll deliver." In this case, a publisher obviously has a lot of interest in it if they're willing to put their name behind it on their biggest gaming stage of the year.
But, then again, I haven't played the Shenmue series since Shenmue 1 on Dreamcast... never played 2 because I had moved onto a PS2 by the time it was released.
Can Crusher
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Crazy shit.
Shenmue 3, Last Guardian, FF7 remake. Bananas really.
Shenmue 3, Last Guardian, FF7 remake. Bananas really.
Nope.
TheOctodad
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They said, multiple times, that it was the developers choice to go this route and use kickstarter. Who says Sony didn't want to foot the bill?
Tomb Raider would be coming out for PS4 but there's not a lot Sony can do if their competitor is throwing money to keep games off their system.
Amazing post! Can you do one for the Shenmue and Last Guardian reveals?
Triggerhappytel
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You are right, but Sony having no games at all is different from Sony not having any big triple-A games. People are saying the former when they mean the latter, and they also conveniently forget that Sony's already had Bloodborne and The Order this year while MS has had nothing comparative.
Good for you, but I'm directly addressing the claim that the PS4 has no exclusives for this winter. Which, as demonstrated, is clearly bullshit UNLESS we're bringing in all kinds of specific parameters which basically say "$50 million budget Triple-A first party title releasing in October or November", in which case then no, Sony can't match MS under those conditions for the pre-Christmas period.
Thanks!
Hardly. I play tons of stuff on iOS, XBone, PC, and Vita. It's just not been a great year for me and the PS4.
Fucking loads, man. Far too many to list, seriously. I play all kinds of stuff on all kinds of platforms. Indies to AAA, iOS to PC and everything inbetween.
I suppose some of my PS4 gaming has been neutered by playing multiplats on PC.
MrS
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Day one on this and the headset. Sony well and truly won E3. FF7, S3 and TLG are crazy. Everything else is victory laps.Sony is going to release the Playstation 20th Anniversary Controller this September:
http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2015...th-anniversary-edition-launches-in-september/
I'm still a Junior so if someone wants to make a thread about it, go on
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BotoxAgent
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but look how well Master Chief Colle........oh wait.
The problem is that most games are more than 1 year away... it's a long time, some people (including me) want something right now.
About BC, at first I thought Microsoft's announcement was a bombshell, but after learning the details, I quickly sobered up. Only selected titles are compatible (the original publishers need to agree for every single title, which means many games will never become playable) and worst of all, you can't just play your discs but instead have to download a special version of each game.
That's nowhere near the same level as real BC like Wii, launch model PS3 and Wii U have. It's no replacement for an Xbox 360.
I certainly wouldn't sell my 360 and buy an Xbone for this half-measure, which would make me lose access to a ton of games.
That's nowhere near the same level as real BC like Wii, launch model PS3 and Wii U have. It's no replacement for an Xbox 360.
I certainly wouldn't sell my 360 and buy an Xbone for this half-measure, which would make me lose access to a ton of games.
benicillin
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First party support is the driving force for what propelled the PS3 forward while the 360 really lagged behind in first party support the last few years of its life cycle and I think people are still in that mindset. People are forgetting though that because Sony was still introducing new IP/first party content from their major studios in the last couple years of the PS3 that it's going to take some time for them to get the new projects out the door. Yeah 2015 was a little lean overall when they lost Uncharted 4, but this year has been a great year for first party games overall with Bloodborne and I'm looking forward to stuff this fall like Until Dawn, etc etc.
TheOctodad
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Here's something you should get used to hearing. Fuck the holiday season. Sony does have exclusives for the fall, there's a list right there. Considering my holiday season will be filled with playing fallout and not a first party game, much like a lot of people, having a stacked holiday means nothing if the rest of the year is a barren wasteland.
KillerSloth
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Psycho_Mantis
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Compilation vid needs to be done.
Yes i know, but this is where the "there is nothing exciting this holidays" comes in.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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And you will have tons to play right now unless you simply have bad taste or aren't willing to either try something different or really committed to one platform which is an awful way to play games.
Not saying it's not ok to want something more but clearly, wanting stuff now now, without waiting is what has started this gen to already have a bad taste because of this mentality.
Deyjandi_Von
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So? Why should we give a fuck about any of that? How much these games sell, and what these games mean for the "gaming landscape at large," as you put it, are completely irrelevant to us. All that matters is that a large group of people will finally get to play games they've waited years for. I'd rather get to play them and they bomb, rather than not get to play them at all. I don't care whether younger gamers are interested in them or not, and nor should anybody else.
Problem is there is some of us who don't like the usual fall franchises like COD,BF or AC. For us games like Uncharted 4 would of been really welcome. The Sony first party output last gen really had me excited for the PS4. It has been a major disappointment so far and it will be over 2 years after the PS4 launch before the first heavy hitter first party title is released in Uncharted 4.
Arjen
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Bloodborne was the sytem seller for many I think, and now that it's out for a couple of months and people want to move on, they're like. Ok, and now??
I doubt those people (me for example) want to see the company fail. That doesn't make any sense, there's zero benefit in that.
Mendax
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they might if people stop quoting that entire ugly blue list =.=
Wut. Sony covered all the bases. they showed COD,Assassins Creed, Destiny, Battlefront, Disney Infinity for the majority of Gamers. Games for the hardcore enthusiasts, Horizon, FF7, Last Guardian, Uncharted 4, Shenmue, they showed indies who are basically the A and AA studios these days, Sony did win E3, they had a stellar E3.
King Tubby
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Probably the best conference, just given how many "holy grails" got announced for all the people out there, but I don't give one good solid fuck about Shenmue, TLG, or FF7. Rather see more P5 stuff before any of those. Horizon and SW Battlefront look really good and got me most excited.
KillerSloth
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You are projecting your own tastes. You don't speak for everyone. MLB the show is a killer app for me
Already played UC games.
Already played GOW3.
UC4 is not this year.
Already played Tearaway.
If I could choose between Persona, Rime, DQH or Tomb Raider ill go with the last.
FC4, GTAV, TLOU, SD, etc etc already played on PS3.
I wanted a big game for me, for my tastes, right now. I'm going to buy a PS4, but now I think I can wait one more year.
EDIT: Forgot about Battlefront. I love SW and loved those games on the PS2. Still it will release on PC right?
Ok you're right, but in comparison with the Xbox One, there's no "big" games like Tomb Raider, Halo, Forza. Personally, I'm only interested in Tales of Zestiria, and I'll buy Until Dawn and Tearaway at $20. Indies are good but not very my cup of tea (I only wait for Rime), and I'm fed up with unnecessary remasters like Uncharted Collection or GOW3 (it's my opinion). I think it's the same thing with many players...
PS : I seriously doubt Rime will be released this year.
I mean, I'm a 'lapsed' gamer who won't buy a PS4 until it's $199, I've never played Shenmue and I don't care for JRPGs.
But at some point you just got to give it up for Sony. This conference was not only the best since Nintendo 2004 (which sold the world on the DS, introduced us to Reggie and ended with the still-legendary Zelda reveal), but will enter the E3 vernacular as a synonym for 'mind-blowing'. "That was a good conference! Not, like, Sony 2015 good, but good!", people will say.
But at some point you just got to give it up for Sony. This conference was not only the best since Nintendo 2004 (which sold the world on the DS, introduced us to Reggie and ended with the still-legendary Zelda reveal), but will enter the E3 vernacular as a synonym for 'mind-blowing'. "That was a good conference! Not, like, Sony 2015 good, but good!", people will say.
Seems like you don't know how a lot of Japanese games announcements works.
Yoru no Nai Kuni for example was announced last month for the first time and it will be released in two months.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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That Shenmue thing at the conference was surreal. It was dodgy as hell, but Sony gets what's going on. Love it.
BotoxAgent
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yup, they knocked it out of the park.
For a game that's been in development hell for the better part of a decade, it looked borderline unplayable. Ridiculous screen tearing, graphics out of 2006, and it didn't look like it controlled especially well either.
I'm glad people are getting this game, don't get me wrong, but it's mostly because I'm sick of hearing about it. I expect it to sell about 50k copies LTD and review terribly. The hype for the game has always completely mystified me. I played Ico for about two hours and stopped because I was tired of fighting the controls. Shadow of the Colossus was even worse.
It was a load of smoke and mirrors. I'm annoyed with both Sony and Microsoft for different reasons, but Sony is especially painful because they have an incredible box just sitting there spinning wheels after 18 months. I'm playing Witcher on it ATM, and it's amazing, but the fact that we don't have Uncharted or anything at all this fall, TWO YEARS after the PS4's launch, is borderline insulting for people who bought the PS4 on blind faith.
At least with Microsoft, we got some genuinely new stuff (HoloLens, Rare's pirate game looked like it might be sweet). Sony glossing over Morpheus also doesn't fill me with confidence.
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