RetroUSB still clowning them.
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PR: COLECO to release Chameleon, console that focuses on new cartridge games
- Thread starter Tripon
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OrbitalBeard
Member
As horrible as this whole thing has been, I was kind of feeling bad for Mike.
Yeah....not anymore. I thought maybe he was just delusional but it's quite obvious now that he's trying to scam people. Disgusting.
Yeah....not anymore. I thought maybe he was just delusional but it's quite obvious now that he's trying to scam people. Disgusting.
where's dreamwriter?
This is one of the most incredible thing's I've ever seen.
This guy is relentless.
panda-zebra
Member
dreamwriter, post if u r ok
Jim fucking Sterling son needs to be made aware of this right the fuck now.
panda-zebra
Member
That would be beautiful, but I fear it'd take him weeks just to get up to speed on the whole story from the first Jaguar case teases to today's bombshell.
I don't even care. Give him a couple of weeks to get caught up then watch the payoff be glorious regardless.
superNESjoe
Member
The real question is who takes Dreamwriter's place as the Chameleon Defender now, and what type of tag will Dreamwriter get for their efforts thus far?
Shin Johnpv
Member
This youtube video has been removed by the user.
CoolZombie360
Member
Haha what a surprise. This just gets more ridiculous as time goes on.
Risible
Member
What's funny us that Dreamwriter was a HUUUGE defender of the Ouya as well, to the point where I was wondering if he was a astroturfer for them. Basically if Dreamwriter is backing your protect it's doomed.
panda-zebra
Member
Toxic.
Can't see many wanting to leave the evidence hanging around proving they had anything to do with this fiasco.
CoolZombie360
Member
I wouldn't be surprised if Mike just faded off into oblivion now, I mean how can he feasibly make up enough lies and excuses to come back from this debacle?
Vital Tundra
Member
Nah below is so much more comfortable.
s_mirage
Member
Oh dear. I thought it would turn out to be a PCI card, and I've never thought there was a huge market for this product even if it was real, but it's kind of sad that it's turned out this way.
At this point, Mike is either an outright scam artist or he is delusional, for real. I don't see any other possibilities.
At this point, Mike is either an outright scam artist or he is delusional, for real. I don't see any other possibilities.
Vipershark
Member
I can only wonder what Kevtris must be thinking right now.
it was Kevtris's analysis of the blurry proto pictures that led to the discovery of the capture card. Enjoy the moment of discovery here and Kevtris's reaction
Meohsix
Member
Instead of waiting for them to potentially launch a Kickstarter and then reporting them, isn't there anyone at Kickstarter we can contact with the full history of this to make sure they never get the chance in the first place?
SerTapTap
Member
The first sign this attempt was a scam should have been their insistence on this thing somehow playing Coleco games, brand new proprietary carts and SNES games despite a 1 slot console design. There's no way in the world all 3 of those fit in the same slot. Even a scam artist should have seen the problem with that.
I'm kind of sad we didn't get to see the scam kickstarter but this is better than them putting up a scam and somehow actually being funded.
I'm kind of sad we didn't get to see the scam kickstarter but this is better than them putting up a scam and somehow actually being funded.
Detective AtariAge to the rescue!
It really makes me wonder how the last few decisions were made. Like, Mike or whoever took those pictures thought no one would ever identify that capture card? Did they not think claiming to create the first competent SNES FPGA in a such short time would raise eyebrows? Did they get ready to go to the Toy Fair, feeling good about the electrical tape slathered over their Jaguar shell?
It seems like at any of these points, the risks of trying to deceive people would be obvious. Breaking the promise to be at the Toy Fair or show the board on the day of the planned Kickstarter would have been better attempts than showing fakes for people to disprove.
SerTapTap
Member
They probably didn't think they'd bump into anyone proficient enough to call their bluff on the toy fair thing. I guess they were hoping to fall back on the "oops, projects don't always turn out as planned!" thing when they cut half their features after their kickstarter. (I still doubt they would have been funded, the IGG campaign was a ghost town)
Still this has been oddly fascinating. I feel sorry for anyone earnestly awaiting the Return of Carts though.
Still this has been oddly fascinating. I feel sorry for anyone earnestly awaiting the Return of Carts though.
It's all very muddy and has changed a lot, but the plan was roughly
1. RVGS-specific carts running games ported from other systems (SNES, Genesis, etc).
2. Carts from other systems running on adapters plugged into the cartridge port.
This is all entirely possible and has been done before... but at the hands of competent companies that weren't trying to scam the userbase.
I have to wonder at what point do Mike and Friends finally stop with the lies. Time and time again they've been shown they are dealing with a demographic that is extremely knowledgeable and vigilant, that always sees through their bullshit. What possesses a person to insist on continuing with trying to deceive people who are steps ahead of them? Maybe he's a true pathological liar, the sort of person with a mental state that simply cannot stop telling constant lies, for no reason, to anyone who will listen. I have met a few people like this before.
SerTapTap
Member
I don't think they expected the interested parties to be so thorough, but who the hell did they expect to be interested if not hardcore retro/game fans? Casual fans will just buy those licensed/unlicensed repro consoles with X in 1 games and wouldn't care enough to buy a bunch of pricy new games.
xDUMPWEEDx
Banned
Yeah the market size for this product is microscopic. Even without the fake prototype backfire, I don't think this would have even broken 25% funded on Kickstarter anyways.
where's dreamwriter?
So this wasn't meant to just be a concept image??
Correct. It could be perceived as harmless enough if presented as an idea of what the system would look like. That's what we got about a year ago with the various color photoshops of the RVGS.
Several images were revealed all at once though. The one you quoted was shown alongside of this:
Which indicates that they wanted people to think there was a working prototype (something they also claimed to have at the Toy Fair).
In addition, they provided this text:
Coleco Chameleon said:
jconsolmagno
Member
He did it between midnight last night and noon today. Just checked, your right. I listened to it last night and was cracking up. I'm sure, Stop, Drop & Retro has it saved, as he has a nice collection of MIke Kennedy interviews, so probably can grab it again.
Emperor Bohe
Member
What a fucking disaster. Pack it up.
jconsolmagno
Member
It was removed between 12 PM EST and 11 AM EST today. It was hidden, but I found it through Reddit link below, now i's clearly gone. Disgusting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/retrogaming/comments/3mlxyd/retro_vgs_system_interview_with_cofounder_mike/
I wonder who or what will put the final nail in their coffin. At this point they were probably hoping to get a huge sum on Kickstarter to be able to afford someone that could create their hardware. It's fairly disgusting they've been caught twice in a row in like two weeks with fake prototypes. Mike no longer has any credibility let's see how he will embarrassingly explain the capture card being in the hardware. They seem desperate to trick people so they will throw money at their poorly conceived scam. Are we watching a life long dream slipping through his fingers or a shameful attempt at repaying the debts he incurred during this endeavor?
NoFaceNico
Member
I've backed up all the videos they've posted.
In fact, why do you think they only posted under their old Retro VGS YouTube channel?
Lookin' for this Mike??
I have a nice home for those videos. I'll reupload them later this week.
I didn't save everything, but let me check my files because I think I might. Might have the Gamester81 interview you guys were talking about.
CoolZombie360
Member
I've backed up all the videos they've posted.
In fact, why do you think they only posted under their old Retro VGS YouTube channel?
Lookin' for this Mike??
I have a nice home for those videos. I'll reupload them later this week.
I didn't save everything, but let me check my files because I think I might. Might have the Gamester81 interview you guys were talking about.
Haha have you by any chance got the original pitch video for the indiegogo campaign? That should be good for a chuckle...
NoFaceNico
Member
Looking in retrospect at the pattern with Retro, the Carlsen video should count as the first of three fake prototypes.
I never bought for a second that Carlsen acted on his own as Mike would have us believe when he threw him under the bus and blamed him for that video disaster and everything involving the VGS. Even under a NEW team it's been the same old shit and worse... with Mike as the common denominator throughout. He has the same cycle:
1. Make impossible promises
2. Attentive viewers get impatient with the fluff and lack of progress
3. Release manipulative images or video for damage control
3. It gets justifiably torn to shreds by the discerning public
4. Deny, deflect, delete, blame, insult, lie, etc.
5. Repeat
I never bought for a second that Carlsen acted on his own as Mike would have us believe when he threw him under the bus and blamed him for that video disaster and everything involving the VGS. Even under a NEW team it's been the same old shit and worse... with Mike as the common denominator throughout. He has the same cycle:
1. Make impossible promises
2. Attentive viewers get impatient with the fluff and lack of progress
3. Release manipulative images or video for damage control
3. It gets justifiably torn to shreds by the discerning public
4. Deny, deflect, delete, blame, insult, lie, etc.
5. Repeat
s_mirage
Member
The more farcical this gets, the more I wonder if he's in the midst of some kind of breakdown. He had the chance to make this a reality, but his poor project management skills and shifting, unrealistic, design goals fucked things up by driving away the people who had the skills needed to make it so. Having a dream come so close to being realised, and then throwing it away because of your own ineptitude, might weigh heavily on someone.