Uh, where is the extra $200,000 coming from?
Thing is, those numbers actually add up to $11,561,000
So they're effectively short changing themselves by $800,000
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Jim Sterling is being sued by Digital Homicide
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Thing is, those numbers actually add up to $11,561,000
So they're effectively short changing themselves by $800,000
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
The genuinly sad part about all of this is, that listening to that Sterling x DH interview you actually get the impression that those guys CARE about the games they make. They make fucking awful games but it doesn't seem like they know that they behave like fraudsters. At least that's the impression I got. I think they genuinly believe that they are in the right and that Jim is attacking them for no reason. That they are the victims here. It's really sad if you think about it. I almost pitty them.
Zomba13
Member
You're right. I should've maybe actually looked at the numbers before making a shitty joke because the actuality is funnier.
From wherever that $1M disappeared to. Heh, maybe that accidentally subtracted their lawyer's retainer?
Thanks for the rundown, I just got a copy of the complaint myself and had been poring over it when you wrote your summary.
Counts 1 and 6-10, and 10 again are pretty weak and boil down to "Jim said things we didn't like" or "Jim said something but then we changed it so now he's wrong". 6 and 7, the two Per Quod libels, are laughably bad and they should be ashamed for putting those in a legal filing. "mob or mob family" indeed, LOL.
The "Incident Causing Lost Product Damage", to me, is the most interesting part because we had no idea that Steam was actively breathing down Digital Homicide's neck due to the Jimquisition videos. To the point that Steam was going to delist everything DH had done, plus essentially ban them. The problem with this segment, as Jim's video from the other day shows, is that apparently DH is able to dump stuff back on Greenlight again. Maybe they ended up with just a suspension, but regardless the fact that they have product currently listed on Greenlight pretty much deep sixes this whole line of argument.
Counts 2-5, the ones that cover the portion of the kerfluffle regarding ECC Games out of Poland, this part they might actually have a small bit of room to stand on. Problem is, their evidence is crap. The idea of submitting random screenshots of websites as evidence should be making Jim's lawyer giggle with glee.
I fully expect that you'll be right, and whatever Federal judge has the bad luck to draw this case will take one look through the complaint and throw it right back in Digital Homicide's face. The Federal bench has a notorious lack of humor.
Sorcerer
Member
To me it seems the opposite, they get very touchy because they are being exposed, but in that interview with Jim their damage control was just awful.
Pristine_Condition
Member
As a pro photographer with some experience with federal court cases (all copyright matters are a federal case in the USA, unfortunately,) I can confirm this to be true. I've seen cases rack up a hundred grand in expenses for the plaintiff before discovery was over in "slam-dunk" cases of copyright violation that shouldn't take more than an hour or two in court. No joke. That's why photographers, musicians, filmmakers, and writers (and their various trade orgs) have been trying to get some sort of "small claims" copyright legislation pushed through the halls of the US capital for years now. The federal courts are a bear to deal with.
I'm not a fan of Jim Sterling, personally, I find him kind of obnoxious, but I hope he crushes these guys. This is just stupid. Hopefully the case gets dropped. Digital Homicide (I've actually never heard of them), sound like a bunch of loons/tools. Good luck, Jim, but I honestly don't think you're going to need it. These guys have no leg to stand on.
Valkyri von Thanatos
Member
Ha!
Yeah, just a cursory glance should've shown that wasn't right.
Woops. Haha shows me for not looking closer! XD I wouldn't have expected the millions range to be off, just noticed the thousands were off. I'm not filing a lawsuit though, you'd think someone who was would at least at up the total with a calculator to double check.
I guess we both couldn't believe that they were missing that much so it was easier to see it as a smaller error.
Though they are self-representing, right? I don't think a lawyer would have made such a mistake.
Pristine_Condition
Member
Save your sympathy by using basic logic. They have 18 games on Steam Greenlight. If they actually cared, they couldn't possibly believe they could churn out that many games at a time.
Look at how real indy devs, who really care, work, and how long it takes for them to make just one game. Save your sympathy for developers who deserve it.
Currently at Digital Homicide HQ.
I meant DH would have accidentally calculated in the retainer erroneously.
Expect an amended complaint with a third Count 10 of libel any moment now.
Zomba13
Member
That sucks but I bet they'll go after Jim for it because he didn't explicitly tell his fans not to do it.
If he had explicitly told them not to do it then they'd probably go after him for putting the idea in their heads in the first place.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
Jim should set up a dedicated legal fees page so DH can sit there and get pissed when he raises a bigger chunk of change than them.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
I'm not sympathetic to them at all, don't worry.
potatohead
Member
SolicitorPirate
Member
I'd be really surprised if this made it to Federal Court
The US is a difficult jurisdiction for libel suits. That said, I doubt DH have any legal presence in the UK, and who knows how much of Jim's assets (if any) are still under UK jurisdiction
Glitchesarecool
Member
Filing is in Arizona, USA. Jim is also in the USA; people seem to think he still lives in the UK for some reason.
And yet continue to claim they're barely making a living.
Well this is already in the federal courts as Arizonan District Court is a federal court.
SolicitorPirate
Member
It is? Man, America is weird
NoFaceNico
Member
Not really. The case is frivolous and will most likely get dismissed due to Digihom's own incompetence, so there's not going to be any ruling to take precedence. Just wait and see.
It's not a very unique case either, people get sued for stupid shit like this all the time. It may be unique to us in the fact that it involves an internet personality in our community but those elements aren't unique enough to set a precedent. If by some miracle it actually goes to trial it'll be decided like any other libel case. Frivolous cases are run of the mill for courtrooms across the country every day.
Thank you this made me laugh heartily.
ugh_the_boot
Banned
Hahah how do you even send a pile of shit through the post, surely the smell alone would ring alarm bells at the post office? Some people on the internet are crazy lol. Must've dropped it off in person ;o)
Word.
I'm at the hour mark, and this is what the DH guy makes me think of with his argument style:
oh man, not the chewbacca defense...
Glitchesarecool
Member
There's really no precedent here. It's someone angrily taking another person to court over internet commentary.
Ah, yeah, this really isn't about DMCA takedowns. Nevermind!
boredandlazy
Member
Unity assets.
I know it's filed in Arizona, thanks
Jim not living in the UK is new, but I don't think it's that surprising that people think that.
bender
What time is it?
Thanks for the write-up. I wonder if Jim can counter-sue to recoup legal fees he will incur to defend himself.
It's not that new, he's lived in the US since 2012.
To me. New to me.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Nothing like bad math in your legal claim, LOLUhhhh.....should that really be getting posted here? I mean it's got his address and phone number on there. Is that kind of information really made public knowledge when someone files a lawsuit in the US?
Also, $10,761,000?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
What a joke.
A Link to the Past
Banned
It makes me curious about whether inaccuracies in their filing can hurt them.
Cute name for a bundle they are selling: "Thank God For Digital Homicide Bundle"
Well, part of his claim is that he is falsely accused of "being incompetent and unable to perform my job."
Well, part of his claim is that he is falsely accused of "being incompetent and unable to perform my job."
bizzarewars
Banned
I mean, I feel bad that these guys are being harassed, but taking it out in a lawsuit against Jim makes no sense. It's not like he's ever sicced his subscribers on these guys. Some people just don't know how to hold that L and just let it go, I guess.