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Bomb attack at wine bar in Ansbach, Germany
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I heard on BBC this morning the attacker was denied Asylum last year. Not sure what the process is when this happens for the refugees, but unfortunately I think German officials need to be a little harsher with failed Asylum seekers, thier denial should be detention then removal asap.
Hypnotoad
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Never going to happen. Right now people are being deported who have been illegally in Germany for more than 20 years (like this case: http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/ess...hren-nach-serbien-abgeschoben-id12032057.html) and even that is being fought against by various activists and local Green party chapters. Syrians, Iraqis, Afghans and Africans basically get a carte blance to stay, even if they are denied asylum.
you've been lucky enough not to have a major attack yet...
The United Nations Refugee Convention forbids the expulsion of asylum seekers to warzones.
ReplacementPelican
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And worst of all it's the refugees - the helpless - who will once again get blamed.
ClosingADoor
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Says who? Because that is almost more then Turkey and I somehow doubt that.
Indeed. Based on the experiences of the last weeks, it's going to happen sooner or later unfortunately. All we can do is prepare ourselves as much as possible.
1.21Gigawatts
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The situation is not really comparable.
France faced ISIS coordinated terrorism, Germany didn't.
In Germany we had mainly normal crimes commited by refugees and a school shooting type of incident commited by a german-iranian(born in germany, lived in germany his whole life, I honestly think stating that he is german-iranian is kinda misleading, its like saying Obama is american-kenyan) who was bullied at school. This had nothing to do with refugees or even religion.
Its unfortunate that many people don't really make distinctions betweens these incidents anymore.
If you look at ElTorros Chart:
These are the latest polls:
Every column shows the latest results from different institutes. The grey column on the right shows the results of the last federal election. CDU/CSU is Merkel's party. The AfD is Germany's anti-immigration/anti-refugee/anti-EU party.
You see that 85% of people support parties with pro refugee policies. Doesn't mean that they are all pro-refugee, but at least they still support pro-refugee parties.
ABout 10% of peolpe support the anti-immigration party, AFD.
And about 5% are filed under others, many of them probably support small even more extreme anti-immigration parties(like the NPD, the neonazi party) aswell, but because of the 5% hurdle they are wasting their voice.
The AFD had polled higher before, but they said a lot of pretty dumb stuff recently and had a small anti-semitism scandal, so people kinda start seeing that they are not an option.
Of course it flew under your radar, the article is from 2011.
5 years ago.
64% of Germans against reelection of Merkel to chancellor. In Eastern Germany (Thuringia and Saxony) even as high as 79%, INSA Institute in May:
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/inland/mehrheit-der-deutschen-gegen-weitere-angela-merkel-amtszeit-14225181.html
Oops, got this from another forumer and didn't check the date.
You do realise that not everybody in Syria has something to fight for right? This civil war started because the government repressed non-violent protests, attacked millions of their own people and rebel groups fought back. Then ISIS took hold in the east of the country because of the vacuum of power created by this.
There are millions of innocent Syrians with no cause to fight for. They aren't going to support an oppressive government that killed hundreds of thousands with barrel bombs and chemical weapons. They aren't going to support rebel groups that are mostly tribal and jihad affiliated. And they certainly aren't going to support ISIS. There is no country for them to fight for any more.
So you jumping in there with utter ignorance and bullshit and accusing people of cowardice when you would do the exact same thing is utterly disgusting.
ClosingADoor
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Apparently the guy was supposed to be transferred to Bulgaria. He rather died and try to kill others than go to another country where he would also be safe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3b771c-524c-11e6-b652-315ae5d4d4dd_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...3b771c-524c-11e6-b652-315ae5d4d4dd_story.html
DasPenguin
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Well Merkel didnt make our country safer with her shitSo many attacks in one week.
I'm curious, what does the Munich attack have to do with Merkel or immigration? German guy with a history of mental ilness, bullied in school and his mother was german. You want to ban relationships between foreigners and germans from now on?
Alright only three out of four attacks were terror related, feeling safer already.
Only 1 out of 4 attacks were terror related as far as we have info until now, the axe attack in the train.
Edit: this one could be too, but nothing confirmed yet.
A female eye witness described him as a positively dashing, well dressed person that talked to thin air (pretending to talk with someone on his wired headset, which apparently wasn't plugged into his smartphone). She sat across from him for a while, mere minutes before he blew himself up.
Still. "Ganz ganz hübscher Mann, sehr gut gekleidet". So weird. Heh.
Still. "Ganz ganz hübscher Mann, sehr gut gekleidet". So weird. Heh.
I'm sure the Syrian refugee suicide bomber with a backpack full of nails won't be terror related
Sure, most probably is, that's why I edited my post. But it's not confirmed yet.
Edited: found the "pieces of metal" statement.
I disagree. If it was really in our nature, everybody would be dead, and humanity would not exist anymore.
There are some sick individuals and some situations that brings the worse in us. You can't define humanity only by these.
ClosingADoor
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I think you mean the one this thread is about? Syrian refugee who was about to be deported to Bulgaria tried to get into an open-air festival, but was denied access because he had no ticket. Half an hour later he blew himself up nearby, killing himself and injuring 15 others, among which 4 are seriously injured.
Kind of over reaction just because he didnt get in.
ClosingADoor
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Oh, that wasn't the reason. He tried to get in while already wearing the bomb. Luckily he was turned away, otherwise it could have been much worse.
I wouldn't presume to speak for YoungFa, but I think it's safe to say he was joking.
oh boy...
backflip10019
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God dammit. Guess that confirms many peoples' fears about the potential of terror attacks from Syrian refugees.
Ansbach bomber had video on phone pledging allegiance to so-called Islamic State, officials say
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/757572524301484032
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/757572524301484032
Terrorism is only as effective as society allows it to be... how many people died this year in germany due to terrorism? like <20?
here are some other nice statistics:
from january 2016 till may 1176 died in car accidents (2014: 3723)
in 2014 11582 people died because they fell to the ground and 29 women died in during labour... so technically having a baby is more dangerous than terrorism atm.
so why exactly are you guys afraid of one of the most unlikely deaths in the whole country?
https://www.destatis.de/DE/ZahlenFa...ndheit/Todesursachen/Tabellen/EckdatenTU.html
usually it's called pushing an agenda
(and that's what irrational fear does to people...)
and what exactly does that change? I can pledge allegiance to the greens party and go kill some people. the end result is the same... although the media coverage is probably more bizarre.
something drastic? like building camps with nice showers? is that drastic enough?
what we need are INTELLIGENT solutions, not emotion filled drastic ones.
Phantast2k
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@bjoernstritzel
ISIS publishes pic of Ansbach attacker.
If I saw him on the street, I'd probably think he's a metalhead.
ISIS publishes pic of Ansbach attacker.
If I saw him on the street, I'd probably think he's a metalhead.
Spaced Harrier
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Maybe a bigger Islamic metal scene would help these losers vent their frustrations in better ways.
quackamole
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Hope all these attacks don't push Trump over to win at November. My god would that be bad and cause everybody more problems.
Airola
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Those are called accidents for a reason.
If I'm driving, I'm not afraid of the thought of an accident to happen. If I'm afraid of something, it's a possibility of some suicidal person deciding to end his life by intentionally crashing others.
It's a different thing to slip on a banana that has been dropped by accident than to slip on a banana someone intentionally threw on your feet.
Accidents happen. It's unfortunate but it's something that will happen if it happens. No-one had any malicious input into the accident. But when someone takes other people's fates into his own hands, it's a completely different thing.
It's different to worry about someone's car slipping on ice and crashing than it is to worry about a drunk driver who by his own stupid actions has made things more dangerous to others.
It's a different thing to get killed by some human mistake than by some asshole's bad temper and insane ideologies. It's a different thing to get killed by a freak accident than by someone's hate.
It's not that weird of a thing to have people get scared by a terrorist threat or some person have an amok run more than a possible accident on the road. People in general are more afraid of scenarios where they might have to endure a terrifying game of hide and seek until death than they are afraid of scenarios where death most likely happens more suddenly. That's kinda the reason why people are more scared of flying on a plane than they are driving a car. It's not the actual death that worries the most, but it's the thought of what happens before the plane finally crashes.
The basic car accident doesn't have you running for your life. A maniac with a weapon probably will.
Also, you most often don't have to worry about getting killed in a car crash while relaxing at a local Macdonalds or enjoying a concert. When a possibility of a terrorist attack or a psycho amok run is introduced to be able to happen in a place like that, of course it gets some people worried. It's not that they are now afraid of every concert hall or Macdonalds, but they are afraid that a similar usually peaceful place like that can be a potential site for a mass murder.
While worrying doesn't necessarily help anything, downplaying people's worries don't help anything either.
sorry but this only makes sense if we assume that terrorist attacks take the form of school shoot outs... as in one or more guys with guns. Granted, that has happened in the past (like in Paris), but still I'd argue that that's rather the minority. A bomb of whatever kind is way more likely. There is a reason why the suicide bomber stereotype came into existence after all.
And in that case, it makes no difference if you get hit by a bomb or by a car. You wont see it coming and the outcome is the same. You could even argue that what happened in Nice could've happened in the form of an accident as well. just imagine if a truck driver had a stroke while driving, dies but the truck doesn't stop because his foot is still on the gas pedal. So what would be the difference between this hypothetical scenario and the real attack in terms of fear? I'm pretty sure it would be the same. Although the media would probably sell the terrorist attack as something really frightening while the accident is just awfully tragic.
So intention doesn't matter. If you're dead you're dead (and I'm pretty sure you wont care than if the person who did it feels sorry about it...)
What matters however is to keep a healthy perspective on things and realize that, no matter how scary a real attack might be, it's still more likely to be in car accident than actually witnessing (and being affected by) a real terrorist attack. Just look at the number for car accidents in germany.
1176 people died in 5 months. Let's say a single accident involves 4 dead people (although I'd reckon that 1-2 is way more common and likely), this means that Germany had around 300 deadly accidents. compared to 2 (?) terrorist attacks, which, let's be honest weren't even well executed...
in that sense, I'm sorry but I don't see why anybody should be afraid of something like this. Especially when you compare it to countries where the terrorist threat is actually real like the middle east or Israel. Around 300 civilians died in the last 2 weeks alone due to terrorist attacks over there. Looking at that number while claiming that Europe isn't a save place anymore and people should be afraid for their lives is somewhat offensive
MisterFalcon
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You should try this reasoning in the next police shooting topic, it will go down very well I predict.
Also you should check the age distribution of the 11582 people who died due to a fall and see how many of them were between 18 and 40. Almost all these deaths are very old people who die from a fall a younger person would not have any problems with. It's basically a natural death and then once you go there any atrocity can be made insignificant by comparing it to the 100% death rate of humans over time. 'Yes, I killed 250 people but they all would have died anyway, what's the big deal ?'.
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