Jonneh3003
Banned
Simplify it. There was nothing wrong with the Halo 1-3 style, there's too much going on now.
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What can 343 do to get more people invested in Halo again?
- Thread starter FUNKNOWN iXi
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If they made halo like destiny I would be all over that....
Please no.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
I totally agree, but I really do not think that is happening.
At the very least, get rid of Clamber. That has no place in Halo, and really screws with map design and traversal flow.
Thabass
Member
What? No way. I love 60FPS Halo 5. It's so smooth.
This but sadly it will never happen. Gears 4 is going this way though so at least we'll have that.
DangerStepp
Member
Make a Halo game with no shooting like Gone Home.
Instead of 'Chief' people call you 'John' and instead of Cortana you have a pet cat.
You can walk around, look at your belongings, read through stuff, and pet the cat.
Instead of 'Chief' people call you 'John' and instead of Cortana you have a pet cat.
You can walk around, look at your belongings, read through stuff, and pet the cat.
Truth, Colliseum, Regret, Fathom, Eden are great.
But then again you probably like High Ground, Guardian and Construct in Halo 3 lol
NeOak
Member
UserDoesNotExist
Member
Get rid of cards in Warzone. Scarcity in individual resources has no place in a team-based mode.
You don't have to simplify the underlying narrative to have a surface narrative that people can grasp. They really do need to work on the latter to make the average person feel like ANYTHING IS HAPPENING, though. It's gotten completely ridiculous as of Halo 5, where some of the most game-changing things are actually going down for fans neck-deep in the lore, but for the layman, pretty much nothing happened in that campaign.
Too big? Now that was a complaint I shared with Reach and 4 but this game? No. Hell, some maps are too small like Molten and Tyrant.
Feel the Swift
Member
Lol exactly. Maybe he means Warzone?
ebullientprism
Member
Give it to another developer.
Not joking or being dismissive. They are a terrible fit to the franchise.
Not joking or being dismissive. They are a terrible fit to the franchise.
I'll give you colliseum. Nice try at an insult I guess?
Huge Succeeded
Banned
That would be terrible. Halo 5 already looks good and Halo 6 on PC and Scorpio is going to look damn fine. I'd rather they continue to prioritize 60fps for how it genuinely improves the feel of these games. If 30fps is ever considered again for this franchise, I hope to god it's limited to a reintroduced splitscreen element.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Halo is 12 games deep and a 15 year old franchise that's been running nonstop as of this year. Halo Wars 2 is coming next year with Halo 6 and whatever else to follow. Its a miracle its still as successful as it is considering it was at its peak before COD, BF, and the countless other FPS had come into prominence.
Hell 343 has been running Halo since 2009. All they have to do is keep improving and they're good. Maybe things will come back around to them being on top one day which for a 15 years old franchise to do would be fucking amazing.
Hell 343 has been running Halo since 2009. All they have to do is keep improving and they're good. Maybe things will come back around to them being on top one day which for a 15 years old franchise to do would be fucking amazing.
Future PhaZe
Member
They got the gameplay back up to the original trilogy standards aside from the shit campaign--I think a lot of damage was done when H4 landed like a turd and the MCC ended up being arguably the most buggy game release of all time.
It's still going to sell really well but it's not going to be the hottest thing going if they stick to the current form simply based on fatigue. Unlike Call of Duty which can do all kinds of setting swaps to try to freshen things up, Halo is always going to have a similar aesthetic.
With a great foundation for the MP now I'd focus on really aiming to deliver the best campaign since CE--drop the forced coop and tell a great story with visuals that really shine at 30 fps as a scorpio showcase. Add in a lot more stuff for the casuals and stop beating everyone over the head with the halo championship series and the fucking pro league nonsense. If your game is good the competitive scene will carve out its own niche. It doesn't need the complete backing of your development staff and marketing. That just intimidates casuals.
It's still going to sell really well but it's not going to be the hottest thing going if they stick to the current form simply based on fatigue. Unlike Call of Duty which can do all kinds of setting swaps to try to freshen things up, Halo is always going to have a similar aesthetic.
With a great foundation for the MP now I'd focus on really aiming to deliver the best campaign since CE--drop the forced coop and tell a great story with visuals that really shine at 30 fps as a scorpio showcase. Add in a lot more stuff for the casuals and stop beating everyone over the head with the halo championship series and the fucking pro league nonsense. If your game is good the competitive scene will carve out its own niche. It doesn't need the complete backing of your development staff and marketing. That just intimidates casuals.
Future PhaZe
Member
If its a choice between 30 fps and a really polished feeling experience and 60 fps and fukkery then I'll take the former
There were aspects of H5 that just looked really fucked visually due to the 60 fps--the variable framerate for shit in the background, the strange resolution...Halo felt just fine at 30 fps. If they can get it to 60 and have it feel polished then great, but I hope they avoid what happens with 5.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I like space opera but the story in Halo 4 pushed me off the train and I stopped caring.
Make things a bit simpler and pulpier.
Make things a bit simpler and pulpier.
Well he played around 20 matches in the game and they were mostly btb and mythic shotty snipers so...
inb4 "BUT I PLAY ON ANOTHER ACCOUNT"
If you want to interpret that as an insult that's on you.
Those H3 maps I listed are some of the "great" ones people usually talk about. The only good 4v4 maps in 3 were Heretic, Citadel and... that's it.
I haven't played enough of CE or 2 to judge but I know Warlock and Sanctuary are good. Maybe Damnation too?
veloxStrix
Banned
Naw, man. Chiron is where it was at.
My big complaint is probably that..
The campaign in Halo 4 and up is way too linear. In the Bungie Halo games, there were all kinds of paths to explore and secrets to find. There are none of those in H4 and 5 and if they ARE there they aren't laid out in a way that makes them interesting enough for me to notice or care. The maps that Bungie made encouraged exploration and even getting lost sometimes, all the while having a pretty good flow from combat to combat. Plus, the color palette just doesn't feel exciting. It's a lot more bland than any of the original Halo games - probably to emphasize that the story itself is "darker". I don't enjoy playing it. I miss high contrast environments in shooters.
If only Mcc wasn't a shitshow. I would've loved to play more CE.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Comprehensible storytelling would be a good start >_>
Huge Succeeded
Banned
Have you ever played Master Chief Collection? Those games all felt fine at 30fps. They feel noticeably better and smoother at 60fps.
Bits N Pieces
Member
MP is great. I loved Warzone and I did play it a lot when I was on a break from Destiny.
I do prefer the old MP without Sprint and smaller maps, but "MCC LMAO".
The SP though. I groan whenever I think about going back and having to face Warden Eternal because I was tired of the BS mechanics. And the story. And Locke.
I can dig that. I'm not a massive fan of Arena but I do like to dip my toe in every now and again. I love Warzone and right now I'm always playing Firefight.
I didn't think the single player campaign was that bad but the Warden Eternal sections were terrible, I ended up cheating and standing on a pillar he couldn't get to me on when I had to face 86 of him or however many versions of him there were! Have you tried it in co op though? I've played through it twice in four player and in that mode the game absolutely shines and is so much fun to play. It is proper Halo and the laughs we've had playing through the campaign I just don't get with any other game out there.
I hope 343i continue on the path they've begun with Halo 5 and just improve on the core mechanics they have and let us play as Chief more. For me that's all I want.
Sr. Wiggles
Banned
For me its improving multiplayer...
I think 343 did both an amazing job with multiplayer and a terrible job. The controls/gameplay are absolutely fantastic, definitely a huge fan of the new control scheme (And this coming from someone who dumped thousands of hours into halo 1/2/3 multiplayer)
But Warzone is garbage and the lack of attention to classic multiplayer is what pushed me away entirely. Very small and weak map selection (most of them having a very similar industrial look) and a terrible selection of modes at launch. If i want to play ctf (which is my favorite halo mode) i shouldn't have to pick a playlist that combines all modes and rely on rng to get it.
A more classic halo multiplayer focus (more unique/memorable maps, more modes to choose from) mixed with the new control scheme would definitely interest me and possibly pull me back in.
I think 343 did both an amazing job with multiplayer and a terrible job. The controls/gameplay are absolutely fantastic, definitely a huge fan of the new control scheme (And this coming from someone who dumped thousands of hours into halo 1/2/3 multiplayer)
But Warzone is garbage and the lack of attention to classic multiplayer is what pushed me away entirely. Very small and weak map selection (most of them having a very similar industrial look) and a terrible selection of modes at launch. If i want to play ctf (which is my favorite halo mode) i shouldn't have to pick a playlist that combines all modes and rely on rng to get it.
A more classic halo multiplayer focus (more unique/memorable maps, more modes to choose from) mixed with the new control scheme would definitely interest me and possibly pull me back in.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Chiron 4v4 KOTH was some good ol' chaotic fun.
SenseiAsad
Member
Bits N Pieces
Member
I suppose the problem 343 have is that Halo is different things for different people.
How does the old saying go, You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you cant please all of the people all of the time
How does the old saying go, You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you cant please all of the people all of the time
My last recommendation that people may not agree with:
REMOVE THE STARCRAFT STYLE PORTRAITS AND UI CLUTTER WHEN CAMPAIGN CHARACTERS ARE TALKING
Christ it looks cheesy and dated from its inception, it looks like those Y2K versions of the future back in old Backstreet Boys videos, just the voice will be fine, I dont need a friggin Skype call with a JPG of someones face
Make the UI gentle and beautiful again, like someone said: Why does the art style look so angry and inflexible now?
^^^ this UI has aged well, Halo 4 and Halo 5's UI won't age well, not a "booo 343 yaaay Bungie" post, just one thing I see thats right and one thing I see thats wrong
Also Marty and Jinnouchi will be amazing together
REMOVE THE STARCRAFT STYLE PORTRAITS AND UI CLUTTER WHEN CAMPAIGN CHARACTERS ARE TALKING
Christ it looks cheesy and dated from its inception, it looks like those Y2K versions of the future back in old Backstreet Boys videos, just the voice will be fine, I dont need a friggin Skype call with a JPG of someones face
Make the UI gentle and beautiful again, like someone said: Why does the art style look so angry and inflexible now?
^^^ this UI has aged well, Halo 4 and Halo 5's UI won't age well, not a "booo 343 yaaay Bungie" post, just one thing I see thats right and one thing I see thats wrong
Also Marty and Jinnouchi will be amazing together
Halo 4:
Haven
Monolith
Skyline
Also a bunch of pretty decent BTB maps.
Halo 5:
Truth
Fathom
Eden
Plaza
Coliseum
The Rig
Regret
Stasis
Googledotcom666
Banned
I enjoyed Halo 5 and honestly is way my first Halo experience, however the multiplayer I just got destroyed in, I did try to push through it but dam I just couldn't take the constant deaths lol
Saucycarpdog
Member
Bring it to Steam.
dmix90
Member
It's beatiful. I get a teary eye every time......
343 should have kept original title screens for MCC instead of lifeless spreadsheet stuff we have got. At least they kept the soundtrack.
Agree that their current art style is overly busy. Also prometheans are still boring to fight against and look at. They should add some kind of.... i dunno meat to them?
Just replayed Reach on heroic and almost every elite is a big problem to you in gameplay and also in cutscenes everyone struggles while fighting covenant forces. Compare that to intro to H5 and its like completely different universe. Badass marines everywhere, built in jetpacks. flashy neon armor sets....ewwww. I know that in the extended lore its probably explained that tech got better and chief worked overtime but there still should be visible challenge even for premium squads.
If there is good ingame storytelling, simplified art style and fun enemies/weapons then H6 can be great. Can't say much about MP because i only played a few arena and warzone matches. Warzone is trash with all those microtransactions bullshit but arena mode was fun.
Oh and bring back old or create new headshot chirp sound. Current one is so synthetic.
Moa
Member
NeoGAF dark just doesn't feel right for me. I try it every now and again but it never tickles my fancy.
As for going back to 30. There's ways to make Halo feel 'slower' than dropping the frame rate in half.
Final Verdict
Member
One thing I have missed a lot is split screen and system link even.
It sucks me and my friends had a Halo party last night and were stuck playing Halo 4 on 360 so we could all play against each other.
Making a good campaign would also go a long way to keeping me invested.
Other than that, the multiplayer content and gameplay has been fantastic.
Also the Spartan customization an unlockables are great, so no problems there.
It sucks me and my friends had a Halo party last night and were stuck playing Halo 4 on 360 so we could all play against each other.
Making a good campaign would also go a long way to keeping me invested.
Other than that, the multiplayer content and gameplay has been fantastic.
Also the Spartan customization an unlockables are great, so no problems there.
VincentMatts
Member
For me its incredibly easy to make Halo great again, or at least, easy to put all the chips in your favor. Its a lot of small details that 343 just arent doing right. What is that saying again? If you dont learn from your passed mistakes youre doomed to repeat them? Well thats it. Mind you, a lot of those mistakes were Bungies mistakes but still, they should pay attention and learn from them nonetheless.
For one, make the visuals blow me away. Im fed up of playing Halo games that just look above average while every other game that comes out at the same time look incredible. Get your shit together and give me an amazing looking game. Youre Microsofts premiere developer working on their premiere franchise, fucking show us.
Speaking of visuals .that forge look just isnt cutting it. Granted, forge has come a long way and has improved a lot but forge maps still have a look to them that most of the people I know just dont like. They say the game is ugly when in fact its the forge maps that are actually ugly. It makes the game look worse than it really is. Either improve forge and put a real map editor or stop filling playlists with those average looking maps. Yeah, Im looking at you BTB. What shit.
Features and game modes: If you wanna add new stuff to Halo, Im all for it (within reason) but please dont remove game types (or features like splitscreen) that are staples of Halo just to add them on later on in a CU and make them appear as new. This is BS. Grifball isnt fucking new. Zombies isnt new. Its old as fuck and should be in there day one.
Wheres my file share? Its August 2016. Be more punctual with your features. I doubt anyone even cares anymore about the in-game file share at this point.
Prometheans: Either make then fun once and for all or phase them out. The worst part about every FF game is any wave with them in it. Boring enemy, boring design, terrible AI, impossible to kill (particularly in FF), just spawn anywhere they want. Fix it or remove them. Personally, Ill give you extra points if they all die and go back to being extinct in your next game.
Campaign: Change it up. Stop following the Bungie model that they dont even follow anymore, grow some balls and do something epic. Give us an open world type map where you can choose your missions. It doesnt have to be an RPG, just give us an ODST type model, but with the Chief. Remember that guy? Its the guy we buy this game for.
Speaking of Chief, I dont wanna play as Arbiter, I dont wanna play as Locke, I dont wanna play as Buck, I wanna play as the mother fucking Master Chief. If this is a main Halo game, dont give me this side show character to play as. I dont want it and im not going to enjoy it. Didnt like it in 2 and definitely dont like it now. I want Chief, preferably with Cortana on his side. Not as a lunatic AI thats a shadow of her former self. Jesus.
Get MP map designers that know how to make maps that dont all look and feel the same. Where are all the halo maps? Or the covy ones? All I see is human aesthetics with the same pieces that keep repeating themselves in every map. The 343 maps in general in 4 and 5 have been above average at best. I remember Heaven in halo 4 being really good and I cant think of one in 5 that I like as much as that. Thats one map in 2 full games.
And NO, do not remove clamber or sprint. If I see one more of those posts on Neogaf im gonna freak out. Evolve people, nobody in their right mind wants to go back to slow-ass molasses halo. Its 2016. Hell, I just replayed everything in MCC single players and I kept trying to sprint .there no going back now. Deal with it.
Keep the game 60FPS is possible. I cant go back now. Especially MP.
Could you please change the tank controls so they dont make it look like a retard is driving it? Please? Some things CAN be improved you know.
The banshee in MP just doing flips and side rolls non-stop is stupid. Give that shit a god damn limit.
Give the Ghost ammo a limit or overheat limit. Otherwise its OP.
Dont make me read a book to understand the games story. Keep it simple and direct. Save the earth, destroy the halo, who cares. Its the gameplay we play for. Mind you, I do enjoy a good story.
Make the custom game options deep again. I remember previous halo games had a shit ton of custom game options. You could edit practically everything. Since 343 took over, most of them disappeared. Why? Some people even created game types like griefball because of that previous dept. Any new community created modes lately? Nope. Wonder why .
That 4 player squad. Although nice in theory, its terrible in practice. If im going to spend all my time reviving them cause of their incompetence, I rather not even have them there. I preferred the old way of doing things. Let me play the SP campaign alone and if my coop buddies join then add them and adapt the AI. But to have 4 teammates at all times, it feels forced and I dont like it. I enjoyed the days where Chief would get to an area and some regular AI soldiers were there and would just start following him for a while. That to me is a lot better and feels more like Halo than this. I have no problems with changing it up, but for main Halo games you have to be careful. On a spin off, its a different story. Im more open to this type of stuff on a spin-off than a main halo game with Chief.
MP Gameplay: The core of the MP Gameplay is fantastic. The game plays great, the guns are great, and the MP core is fantastic. Change nothing ..but the maps.
Warzone: Please fix this game type so Im not either wrecking the other team or getting wrecked. There doesnt seem to be an in-between to this mode. You either destroy or get destroyed. Fix it. Oh and Spartans go to war and dont even bring a full clip of ammo with them? Nice.
Keep the free content updates (CUs) coming. This was a great initiative and it gets people tuning in monthly to see whats new and keeps the game fresh. Keep it up. Although try to give us actual dev made maps. Forge maps dont count as new and are for the most-part, disappointing.
Weekly, daily bounties/challenges: This was in halo before. I remember it in Reach and for some reason has since disappeared. How cool would it be to get SP and MP challenges that get you special cards or REQ packs when completed? Kill this SP boss, kill this many grunts in the campaign, etc I would totally log in every day to do them. Especially SP ones.
And finally, dont ship broken ass games: Yeah im looking at you MCC. And if you do, fix them. Dont just leave them out to die. You should care about every single game your company logo is on. Dont give up on them because its too hard to fix or MS tells you it isnt worth the cost/effort. All this tells us, is that you dont care.
To me, this is what is crucial for MAIN Halo games. If you do this every time, youll put all the odds in your favor.
For one, make the visuals blow me away. Im fed up of playing Halo games that just look above average while every other game that comes out at the same time look incredible. Get your shit together and give me an amazing looking game. Youre Microsofts premiere developer working on their premiere franchise, fucking show us.
Speaking of visuals .that forge look just isnt cutting it. Granted, forge has come a long way and has improved a lot but forge maps still have a look to them that most of the people I know just dont like. They say the game is ugly when in fact its the forge maps that are actually ugly. It makes the game look worse than it really is. Either improve forge and put a real map editor or stop filling playlists with those average looking maps. Yeah, Im looking at you BTB. What shit.
Features and game modes: If you wanna add new stuff to Halo, Im all for it (within reason) but please dont remove game types (or features like splitscreen) that are staples of Halo just to add them on later on in a CU and make them appear as new. This is BS. Grifball isnt fucking new. Zombies isnt new. Its old as fuck and should be in there day one.
Wheres my file share? Its August 2016. Be more punctual with your features. I doubt anyone even cares anymore about the in-game file share at this point.
Prometheans: Either make then fun once and for all or phase them out. The worst part about every FF game is any wave with them in it. Boring enemy, boring design, terrible AI, impossible to kill (particularly in FF), just spawn anywhere they want. Fix it or remove them. Personally, Ill give you extra points if they all die and go back to being extinct in your next game.
Campaign: Change it up. Stop following the Bungie model that they dont even follow anymore, grow some balls and do something epic. Give us an open world type map where you can choose your missions. It doesnt have to be an RPG, just give us an ODST type model, but with the Chief. Remember that guy? Its the guy we buy this game for.
Speaking of Chief, I dont wanna play as Arbiter, I dont wanna play as Locke, I dont wanna play as Buck, I wanna play as the mother fucking Master Chief. If this is a main Halo game, dont give me this side show character to play as. I dont want it and im not going to enjoy it. Didnt like it in 2 and definitely dont like it now. I want Chief, preferably with Cortana on his side. Not as a lunatic AI thats a shadow of her former self. Jesus.
Get MP map designers that know how to make maps that dont all look and feel the same. Where are all the halo maps? Or the covy ones? All I see is human aesthetics with the same pieces that keep repeating themselves in every map. The 343 maps in general in 4 and 5 have been above average at best. I remember Heaven in halo 4 being really good and I cant think of one in 5 that I like as much as that. Thats one map in 2 full games.
And NO, do not remove clamber or sprint. If I see one more of those posts on Neogaf im gonna freak out. Evolve people, nobody in their right mind wants to go back to slow-ass molasses halo. Its 2016. Hell, I just replayed everything in MCC single players and I kept trying to sprint .there no going back now. Deal with it.
Keep the game 60FPS is possible. I cant go back now. Especially MP.
Could you please change the tank controls so they dont make it look like a retard is driving it? Please? Some things CAN be improved you know.
The banshee in MP just doing flips and side rolls non-stop is stupid. Give that shit a god damn limit.
Give the Ghost ammo a limit or overheat limit. Otherwise its OP.
Dont make me read a book to understand the games story. Keep it simple and direct. Save the earth, destroy the halo, who cares. Its the gameplay we play for. Mind you, I do enjoy a good story.
Make the custom game options deep again. I remember previous halo games had a shit ton of custom game options. You could edit practically everything. Since 343 took over, most of them disappeared. Why? Some people even created game types like griefball because of that previous dept. Any new community created modes lately? Nope. Wonder why .
That 4 player squad. Although nice in theory, its terrible in practice. If im going to spend all my time reviving them cause of their incompetence, I rather not even have them there. I preferred the old way of doing things. Let me play the SP campaign alone and if my coop buddies join then add them and adapt the AI. But to have 4 teammates at all times, it feels forced and I dont like it. I enjoyed the days where Chief would get to an area and some regular AI soldiers were there and would just start following him for a while. That to me is a lot better and feels more like Halo than this. I have no problems with changing it up, but for main Halo games you have to be careful. On a spin off, its a different story. Im more open to this type of stuff on a spin-off than a main halo game with Chief.
MP Gameplay: The core of the MP Gameplay is fantastic. The game plays great, the guns are great, and the MP core is fantastic. Change nothing ..but the maps.
Warzone: Please fix this game type so Im not either wrecking the other team or getting wrecked. There doesnt seem to be an in-between to this mode. You either destroy or get destroyed. Fix it. Oh and Spartans go to war and dont even bring a full clip of ammo with them? Nice.
Keep the free content updates (CUs) coming. This was a great initiative and it gets people tuning in monthly to see whats new and keeps the game fresh. Keep it up. Although try to give us actual dev made maps. Forge maps dont count as new and are for the most-part, disappointing.
Weekly, daily bounties/challenges: This was in halo before. I remember it in Reach and for some reason has since disappeared. How cool would it be to get SP and MP challenges that get you special cards or REQ packs when completed? Kill this SP boss, kill this many grunts in the campaign, etc I would totally log in every day to do them. Especially SP ones.
And finally, dont ship broken ass games: Yeah im looking at you MCC. And if you do, fix them. Dont just leave them out to die. You should care about every single game your company logo is on. Dont give up on them because its too hard to fix or MS tells you it isnt worth the cost/effort. All this tells us, is that you dont care.
To me, this is what is crucial for MAIN Halo games. If you do this every time, youll put all the odds in your favor.
blue_phazon
Member
Yo Sprinkles hire this man
The smarky side of me wants to say "give it back to Bungie" but even Bungie isn't the same as Halo era Bungie anymore. My idea would be to cut things back and get things back to a more simple era like classic Halo.
- Keep the story simple. Like Halo CE simple
- The guys who handled Halo 2 Anniversary multiplayer? Hire them
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Anyone that thought this design:
Needed to be changed into this:
Needs to be removed from making any decisions about anything in the Halo franchise ever again.
Needed to be changed into this:
Needs to be removed from making any decisions about anything in the Halo franchise ever again.
Post of the Thread so far.
If Halo 5 was enough of a Killer App like Halo CE was, I would have bought an Xbox One by now, Halo 5 is good, especially for MP, but it doesn't make the Xbone a console to own. Brutes and Prometheans made me check out of Halo Campaign, they are mediocre enemies, invented for variety, but they still don't match the ferocity and uniqueness of the original Halo CE Elites. It's pretty sad actually, fighting a Platinum Elite on Legendary in Halo CE is still one of the best combat encounters you can have in the Halo franchise.
Anyone that thought this design:
Needed to be changed into this:
Needs to be removed from making any decisions about anything in the Halo franchise ever again.
Nah. Jackals from Halo 1-3 look fucking stupid.