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Deus Ex: Mankind Divided PC performance thread
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Ah, yeah, I was supposed to edit that in earlier. Cheers for the reminder.
I had this problem - hard crashed with the little bit of sound that was playing looping. Had to hold down the power button. I always thought that this sort of crash was more of a hardware problem (eg. overheating, bad ram) than as software one - so I guess I'm sort of happy to see it's not just me. Anyone have an idea how to go about debugging it?
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Yeah chalk me up in the "so far the port seems pretty okay" party, minus the fucking horrendous mouse acceleration/smoothing and weirdly communicated tweaks (like percentage for FOV). It's not perfect, I don't really like the AO solution, but that's more just rendering rather than the port itself, which performs better than I expected.
And yeah, again echoing myself and others; MSAA has always been super expensive, especially in modern games. There's never been a time where using MSAA has been free or cheap. It's always noticeably hurt framerate with varying degrees of IQ improvement. 8xMSAA in particular has never been anything less than absurdly expensive. I don't think I've ever owned a newly released, modern game while using high end hardware and used 8xMSAA. It's really only applicable to legacy titles to retain a high framerate.
And yeah, again echoing myself and others; MSAA has always been super expensive, especially in modern games. There's never been a time where using MSAA has been free or cheap. It's always noticeably hurt framerate with varying degrees of IQ improvement. 8xMSAA in particular has never been anything less than absurdly expensive. I don't think I've ever owned a newly released, modern game while using high end hardware and used 8xMSAA. It's really only applicable to legacy titles to retain a high framerate.
I have been tracking my temps and they don't get anywhere near danger zone. Also did play some OW and TW3 too just to check, neither cause this kind hard crash. Only MD.
~10-11GB out of 16GB for me. I have bad habit of having tabs open so RIP memory
What's your memory usage look like? It sounds like the same type of crashing that might be caused by a memory leak.
I use a 970 with an old i7-930 CPU @ 2.8Ghz and old 6GB RAM. Runs fine at 45-50 on High with Tessellation on.
Core i7 4770K
GeForce 780
16gb ram
1080p
All graphical settings max except for AA (no AA; always the first thing I turn off to improve framerate, shadows, textures, etc. are way more important to me).
Game runs mostly stable around 30 frames per second with occasional dips into 20-ish looks like.
Sure, I'd like a better framerate, but 30 is very much playable for me and I'm more concerned with having all graphical effects turned all the way up if I can.
GeForce 780
16gb ram
1080p
All graphical settings max except for AA (no AA; always the first thing I turn off to improve framerate, shadows, textures, etc. are way more important to me).
Game runs mostly stable around 30 frames per second with occasional dips into 20-ish looks like.
Sure, I'd like a better framerate, but 30 is very much playable for me and I'm more concerned with having all graphical effects turned all the way up if I can.
dr_rus
Member
TAA is not TXAA, TXAA is not TAA. TAA is pretty average in this game, with excessive blurring and ghosting. They should've given us the option to use SMAA 1x at least (although their SMAA implementation in RoTTR is still borked till this day so...)
As for the options - the only option which affect my framerates much is the CHS, the rest of them are some 1-2 fps out of ~60. And CHS is AMD's code so disabling that would make the game non-evolved or something.
icecold1983
Member
while 8xaa has always been a performance hog due to the nature in which msaa hardware functions, lower levels of msaa have gotten an unnecessarily bad rap due to poor implementations by developers. msaa can be performant with solid quality in deferred renderers under modern apis(dx11+)
Dictator93
Member
Speaking of which, has anyone tried some post-sharpening via reshade? Sure it may mess with the HUD and text a bit... but it could be an ineresting exercise to try out.
Crysis 3's god-like MSAA is a rarity. Even then, so far from what I can see in this game, the MSAA seems to work well enough on geometry when I tried it out... it does not seem to do A2C or TrSSAA like Crysis 3 sadly enough, thus making it problematic.
Also it does not apply to the PureHair at all.. so you get super aliased hair if you turn off TAA and just have MSAA on.
You pointed it out earlier, but the scene with the cultuist showed off the weird ass inner surface bluring that can occur with it. I think it seems to work best in areas with higher contrast and not-samey ambient colour values... at which point it looks rather OK IMO.
drotahorror
Member
77mb patch out
icecold1983
Member
its rare because it requires some thought and planning from the get go. you cant just bolt on efficient msaa to a console port during the final phases of development. i dont recall crysis 3 having any transparency coverage with the msaa options tho. cant comment on the edge quality msaa offers in this title(dont have it), just wanted to let people know that the dreadful performance hit with msaa isnt necessary
Yeah. They should have different level of sharpening. This one is too much for my tastes.
Running well ingame on "High" + tesselation (1080p/60) on i5 6600, 16gb and a 970.
lordfuzzybutt
Member
No mouse acceleration fix. Damn it.
But it's commendable that they have addressed those issues so soon.
Dictator93
Member
Yeah. It will be interesting to see if their DX12 version of the game does anything beyond the usual boring AMD implementations so far of "Async Compute a couple of things for GCN". There are some cool optimisation and quality wins they could achieve with MSAA as well as some hardcore rendering bandwidths savings they could have, should they decide to implement the Deferred+ pipeline they made.
Tangential here, but they use TrSSAA for the alpha in the game (and before MSAA was deprecated in CryEngine post 3.5.4, it was a tweakable value in the console).
dr_rus
Member
I gave MSAA a try and decided against using it in this game - and I always prefer MSAA to everything else. It just doesn't work that well with the renderer, lots of geometric details gets omitted and are completely un-AA-ed.
TAA works ok in general but this cultist isn't an isolated case, I've seen the same ghosting a handful of times now. It also can be pretty apparent on screenshots.
drotahorror
Member
i7 6700k
gtx 1080
SSD
1080p******
Have been playing with 2x MSAA. TAA just looks too soft for me. Also triple buffered vsync. Haven't experienced anything below 60 yet. Exclusive Fullscreen I might add.
With TAA, just cuz
W/o TAA I had a 2fps average increase.
gtx 1080
SSD
1080p******
Have been playing with 2x MSAA. TAA just looks too soft for me. Also triple buffered vsync. Haven't experienced anything below 60 yet. Exclusive Fullscreen I might add.
With TAA, just cuz
W/o TAA I had a 2fps average increase.
It's mind boggling to me that they go through the effort of giving PC users a wide variety of graphical settings, a FOV slider, and many other nice things... and then they leave the most popular control schema in a near unusable state.
It's obvious they put some thought and effort into having a proper PC release, so why and how on earth has no-one gone "hey, how about we fix the mouse controls so that they are playable?" at some point?
That technically small thing was the thing that has made me tell people to wait for patches/sales instead of flat out recommending the game, because the game itself is great. What a waste of sales and reputation for a thing that absolutely can not be especially hard or time consuming to fix.
It's obvious they put some thought and effort into having a proper PC release, so why and how on earth has no-one gone "hey, how about we fix the mouse controls so that they are playable?" at some point?
That technically small thing was the thing that has made me tell people to wait for patches/sales instead of flat out recommending the game, because the game itself is great. What a waste of sales and reputation for a thing that absolutely can not be especially hard or time consuming to fix.
drotahorror
Member
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What weird reason to tell friends not to buy one of the best RPG's of 2016. I don't like mouse acceleration, but it hardly ruins the game and makes it unplayable. Witnessed games with so much worse mouse controls.
dr_rus
Member
2400 DPI and in-game mouse sensitivity at zero. Can't say that I'm even noticing the acceleration.
Well, for me the mouse acceleration combined with the out-of-sync X/Y axis sensitivity is a deal breaker. It's not only difficult to manage, it actually gives me nausea, because the response is not logical. I know most of my active PC gamer friends absolutely despise mouse accl (basically, anything that isn't 100% raw input), and I've gotten no complaints or "who cares" from people when I've told them my reasoning.
If it's good for you, well, grats. But it's still a major, major issue for many people and an easy fix, so why on earth is it like it is...
This is bugging me more than it should. I can't take any screenshots.
Game is unplayable. ...
Hmh, ok, I have not tried 0 sens, I think I have it at 6, and the acceleration is horrible. I'll give it a shot at zero. Maybe I could live with the X/Y issue alone, instead of playing with a pad like I have so far.
Thanks.
lol
I'm sorry but that's all I can say.
Increasing your DPI makes your mouse sensitivity faster. That's all it does. I'm running 400 DPI and 0% is still too fast for me.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
You guys should really stop relying on that benchmark.
icecold1983
Member
pics not showing up but i went and checked, and yeah crysis 3 is applying coverage to the alphas. im not sure if its trssaa because it doesnt clean up as well as enabling it in the nv ctrl panel. but yeah the perf hit in crysis 3 is so reasonable. 4xmsaa with alpha coverage is like 25 to 30% at 1440p.
What resolution might I ask?
i came to post the same, on the benchmark i have to put some settings to high in order to achieve a stable framerate but on the actual game i have everything on ultra and it runs smooth
This doesn't make any sense. The mouse sensitivity setting is borked specifically for people with high DPI, because it doesn't go low enough.
Also, high DPI in itself is not by definition a good thing, especially after a certain point. Modern gaming mice with 16k DPI or whatever are basically "selling big numbers". I had a 16k DPI mouse and I couldn't find a single game in which I could use the setting due to the sensitivity sliders not scaling down low enough.
Finally, mouse acceleration being enabled or the X/Y axis being out of sync have nothing to do with mouse quality or DPI. It's a setting you have either gotten used to at some point, or you haven't, and for some, it's more than a little problematic just learning to live with it. That's why basically every AAA shooter out on PC allows for you to disable it.
FirstBlood
Member
I'm right at recommended specs and was getting ~30fps at 1080p/High and the mouse felt like shit. Fiddled with settings to no avail.
Restarted the PC and now I'm hitting 70fps and the mouse feels fine. PCs are stupid.
Restarted the PC and now I'm hitting 70fps and the mouse feels fine. PCs are stupid.
Yeah, it seems weird for a benchmark. I'm going to get back into Sleeping Dogs, so I ran the benchmark for that yesterday, and it not only runs through more "actual" gaming scenarios, but it seems to be more indicative of performance than the Deus Ex: MD one.
drotahorror
Member
That's a pretty dumb thing to say hah. I have my mouse sens @ 6% in game, dpi is at 4000. Maybe I should crank it up to 12000 since that's higher than Fledz 5600 and better.
Anyways, mouse feels good to me, I don't notice the acceleration. Fairly sensitive to it.
1080p, whoops. edited post.
quackamole
Member
What is a good program to use to track the fps while playing?
Steam has build-in FPS counter that you can enable from settings. From 3rd party offering I would go with MSI Afterburner + RivaTuner for extensive stat tracking from FPS to sys temps.
SeeNoWeevil
Member
One of the absolute first scenes in Sleeping Dogs DE is more demanding than any of the benchmark. It's not a very good benchmark.
In my experience they only do that sometimes
Sometimes You can walk right past one and they'll barely notice you
Which I guess is "Realistic"?
Slackbladder
Member
I use MSI Afterburner. Tracks FPS, Temps, CPU usage etc.
Playing @1440p at nearly all highest settings except Ambient Occlusion to On, CHS to off, MSAA off and Volumetric Lighting to on (and CA to off). I get 60fps 90% with Triple Buffered V-Sync. This is with a mildly OC'd 1080, 4790k@4.4ghz, 16GBRAM@2133mhz. I did notice after 8hrs play my system RAM usage was up to 10GB!
Generally I'd say the game works very well. Even with MSAA off it's a pretty clean game certainly pretty enough. I do wonder if my frames will take a hit in some areas. In the Benchmark it would go from 60 down to 47. But so far the games been solid.
The first few hours in Prague actually reminded me a bit of Dishonored. Not graphically, just because I was climbing around on roofs and looking down at people I need to avoid so much
Yeah, I use almost the same settings (with sharpening and motion blur off) on my 1080 and am really happy with the results so far.
Mmmm, not saying it's good, just saying it's better than MD.
I've found benchmarks generally are not great, though - Arkham City's, for instance, always saw the frame-rate tank at the beginning of a new scene, which skewed results.