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Kojima Productions Countdown site for E3
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The demand for a ZOE3 is higher than for a sequel to Snatcher and Snatcher is not as well known as ZOE, right? If Konami hasn't given ZOE3 the green light yet, I don't think they would allow KojiPro to make a new Snatcher either. Neither has been proven to make the big bucks yet so Konami will just keep relying on KP to develop more MGS titles. I hope that "someday" about ZOE3 is sooner rather than later. 
I think a Snatcher reboot would have been prefaced with a Snatcher port to iPhone or something. Just to test the market. Suda was meant to be working on one ages ago, but that didn't happen it appears, which is another reason to think it's not happening.Cerberus said:The demand for a ZOE3 is higher than for a sequel to Snatcher and Snatcher is not as well known as ZOE, right? If Konami hasn't given ZOE3 the green light yet, I don't think they would allow KojiPro to make a new Snatcher either. Neither has been proven to make the big bucks yet so Konami will just keep relying on KP to develop more MGS titles. I hope that "someday" about ZOE3 is sooner rather than later.
I do think ZoE3 has at least been seriously considered over there, if not worked on to some degree. There was a little tease in one of the podcast a few months back.
Ether_Snake
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Errr remember Snatcher has been tied to the MGS universe officially since MGS4.
If Kojima brings back Snatcher, it WILL be through MGS.
This is probably all Metal Gear Rising-related.
If Kojima brings back Snatcher, it WILL be through MGS.
This is probably all Metal Gear Rising-related.
StuBurns said:
How did that Suda51 "Project S" thing come to exist anyways? I see it on Wikipedia all the time, but there's never a source for it. Would've been interesting to see a collaboration between the two of them.
Konami should give ZOE the God of War Collection treatment to test the waters for a ZOE3. I have a feeling it would flop though. :lol
Suda and Kojima are friends and Snatcher is a favorite of Suda. Suda did have a radio drama produced I believe, but that's all that has come out of Project S so far.Cerberus said:How did that Suda51 "Project S" thing come to exist anyways? I see it on Wikipedia all the time, but there's never a source for it. Would've been interesting to see a collaboration between the two of them.
Konami should give ZOE the God of War Collection treatment to test the waters for a ZOE3. I have a feeling it would flop though. :lolHow well did the GoW collection do worldwide?
As for ZoE Collection, I although ZoE2 HD on PSN/XBLA seems such a great fit. It's one of those games that I think you could literally just render in HD at 60fps and it would hold up incredibly well. The art is awesome, and their use of particle effects and things still hold up to today's efforts.
I don't know how GoW Collection did, but I suspect easily made a significant profit.
Graphics Horse
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Turk said:
:lol I think that seems spot on. It could alternatively mean the cutscenes are being removed. But yeah, cutscenes. Fits in with the sort of wordplay Kojima tends to stick in his trailers.
It would be easy to make a new Snatcher game work. I don't care if he ret-cons, remakes, etc. I just want a curret-gen game like Snatcher.
To hype it up, they could release Snatcher on PSN/XBLA for cheap, advertise it as from the creator of Metal Gear Solid and whatnot.
I'm only placing a tiny bit of hope that its Snatcher, last time people went so god damn deep into the E3 teaser sites, looking at each individual pixel, and it was nothing special and irrelevant in the end, so I don't think its as complex as its being made out to be. Kojima is no Valve.
Edit: Also is it just me or has the site been changing? I swear the first time I went to it, there was no Kanji flashing, then it would only flash once when the site first loaded up, I'd wait like 2 or 3 minutes and no more flashes. Now it seems to flash part of the Kanji every little while.
To hype it up, they could release Snatcher on PSN/XBLA for cheap, advertise it as from the creator of Metal Gear Solid and whatnot.
I'm only placing a tiny bit of hope that its Snatcher, last time people went so god damn deep into the E3 teaser sites, looking at each individual pixel, and it was nothing special and irrelevant in the end, so I don't think its as complex as its being made out to be. Kojima is no Valve.
Edit: Also is it just me or has the site been changing? I swear the first time I went to it, there was no Kanji flashing, then it would only flash once when the site first loaded up, I'd wait like 2 or 3 minutes and no more flashes. Now it seems to flash part of the Kanji every little while.
IrishNinja
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Ether_Snake said:
Wait...how, exactly? what in MGS4 tied to Snatcher?
yeah, i wish i knew how that turned out, too.
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Errr,
it is definitly referenced, and Raiden and Big Boss are basically Snatcher precursors/prototypes. Read up on it. Plus, the original Metal Gear Rising Raiden picture had the three holes on the forehead and red eye, which are Snatcher features. We could even imagine that the mutated Fox Die of MGS4 could be the equivalent of Lucipher Alpha.
bernardobri
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IrishNinja said:
MG2SS features a hint about Big Boss' cyborg body being a Snatcher prototype developed by Madnar (except for the human-ripping part). So you'd say Snatcher is a distant sequel from the MGS universe.
http://thesnakesoup.org/?section=myths&content=bbsnatcher
Also, it surprises me how much Snatcher gets requested for a remake, while it has some really good merits, it's borderline pastiche from Blade Runner.
I'd rather take Policenauts for a remake (arguably a game more richer in content/setting/script/gameplay/etc than Snatcher) with english VO and some new content. IMO, it's way better than Snatcher.
Graphics Horse
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jett said:
Snatcher Project in MGS4 Database. Edit: but not sure it explicitly links them, it's the same character but that's nothing new.
Catalix
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They've always been coy about the fun little references between the MG and Snatcher universes, but Rising might very well be the official bridge that closes the gap.
It's an intriguing prospect, but time will tell if they actually decide to pull the trigger on something like this...
It's an intriguing prospect, but time will tell if they actually decide to pull the trigger on something like this...
IrishNinja
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bernardobri said:
alright, i get what ether was saying, but...
wasnt MGS2 (MSX) Terminator Big Boss retconned out? id assumed so, or at least, it was a robot dupe. the idea of that T-800 homage talking to Snake for like an hour too long at The Boss' grave in MGS4 ending makes my head hurt even more.
guys, i know Kojima makes these links, but are you that comfortable with them to think he's really reviving/weaving these stories together? Snatcher had a Konami bar, basically. i dont expect this game to be a Contra one.
im playing Policenauts now, and there's (i think) Gillian in the police lobby, there's Meryl in Vice. i genuinely think Kojima's having fun with cameos, not trying to tell some epic tale where Raiden is a proto-Snatcher that eventually becomes a Frozener.
bernardobri
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IrishNinja said:
Well, Snatcher being a distant sequel from the MG franchise has always been a funny easter egg to me rather than something "official". Kojima himself has stated that all these nods are "gifts" for the core Konami/KojiPro fans for their support around the years.
Policenauts came out waaaay before MGS1, actually you're seeing the original version of Meryl. Obviously the character isn't the same, but it pretty much served as the basis for the MG version.
And while the receptionist isn't a nod to Gillian, you'll see him in another easter egg if you keep your eyes open. (Randam appears in the prologue, for example.)
Chip N Chance
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Graphics Horse said:
That reminds me. I wonder if they'll ever update that database with Peace Walker stuff. Probably wont though.
Graphics Horse
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That he's achieved through removing the cut scenes.
infinityBCRT
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no, not really. In the Snatcher games, a Snatcher is a cybernetic clone of a human. In MGS, a snatcher is a human that has been turned into a cyborg.Ether_Snake said:
RadioHeadAche
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IrishNinja
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bernardobri said:
i never even considered this, for some reason...nice.
you sure about the station, though? not the dick receptionist, the guy that shows up later when you're touring the station who keeps getting teased about TV stuff like X-files and such? looked like him a bit...but thanks for the heads up, will keep an eye out.
Ok guys...
Sum up post:
so the real and final image is this:
So as said before the right meaning is
Hit/Slash with a blade [First Kanji]
Snatch/take something from someone using the force [Second Kanji]
Then this two together can have also some different meaning. My girlfriend, who is asian and translated the kanji for me, told me not only the things written until now but she also said that the image closer to the concept of the first kanji is what you can see at min. 1.10 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs9BRZHa7Ns
Now I must also point out that in the "minivideos" of the KP website there are also images of scissors not only blades...mah....
Sum up post:
so the real and final image is this:
So as said before the right meaning is
Hit/Slash with a blade [First Kanji]
Snatch/take something from someone using the force [Second Kanji]
Then this two together can have also some different meaning. My girlfriend, who is asian and translated the kanji for me, told me not only the things written until now but she also said that the image closer to the concept of the first kanji is what you can see at min. 1.10 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs9BRZHa7Ns
Now I must also point out that in the "minivideos" of the KP website there are also images of scissors not only blades...mah....
Lonewolf_92
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IrishNinja said:
Through a certain Dr. Petrovich:
Wilipedia said:
Lonewolf_92
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Gorgon said:
Not to mention that there isn't that many games out that fall into the cyberpunk genre currently (the only newish one I can think of is Shadowrun, and while it was a fine FPS, it didn't really catch the flavor of Shaowrun or the genre).
Knight77 said:Ok guys...
Sum up post:
so the real and final image is this:
So as said before the right meaning is
Hit/Slash with a blade [First Kanji]
Snatch/take something from someone using the force [Second Kanji]
Then this two together can have also some different meaning. My girlfriend, who is asian and translated the kanji for me, told me not only the things written until now but she also said that the image closer to the concept of the first kanji is what you can see at min. 1.10 of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs9BRZHa7Ns
Now I must also point out that in the "minivideos" of the KP website there are also images of scissors not only blades...mah....
Maybe KojiPro has been tapped to make the official games for the new Highlander remakes? That description could easily fit with the Quickening. ;p
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Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm going to go left field and suggest this has something to do with Move or dare I say Wiimote since hitting and slashing are things associated with wand like motion controls.
SolidSnakex
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chandoog said:
I still think that KojiPro is doing something exclusive for the 360. Probably some Kinect thing.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
SolidSnakex said:
Rising support for Move/Kinect ? I can see that happening,
SolidSnakex
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chandoog said:
No, i'm talking about a completely exclusive game not Rising.
SolidSnakex
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StuBurns said:
We'll find out in a few hours. I just think that their big surprise this year will be that they got an exclusive game from KojiPro. People will only be expecting Kojima to show off Rising but he'll also announce an exclusive title.
Lonewolf_92
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StuBurns said:
I'd agree, but I could see MS tossing some serious funding to a core-favored developer like KojiPro to kick out some exclusive to get core gamers interested in Natal (in addition to MS's own releases, of course).
bone_and_sinew
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I gotta give it to KP/Konami marketing, they really know how to create a storm over what amounts to essentially nothing.
Maby it just all coincidence, but Kojima's Kenichiro Imaizumi talking about Natal last year and MS execs visited Kojima two weeks ago (?). Maby linked but maby I'm reading to much into it.